New Marine Patrol Headquarters

[MAXUM]

The life expectancy for this project is 50 years. The available funds for
construction are $7,800,000.00

Hmm 7.8M for 50 years comes out at a cool 156K per year, now that's a bargain

[Frdxplorer]

Do we know what the current breakdown is of sworn/civilian MPs? I know it used to be a heavily seasonal force. Has that changed? Do all MP's have full arrest authority? Has there ever been talk of merging with State Police?

[Sunbeam lodge]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

The life expectancy for this project is 50 years. The available funds for
construction are $7,800,000.00

Hmm 7.8M for 50 years comes out at a cool 156K per year, now that's a bargain

Now assume this was private taxable property assessed for 2.5 million, it would bring in about 40K per year in taxes for about 6 months of use by a second home owner at no cost to the city..

[Rusty]

Todays LDS has an article about the new building. I created a pdf file with just the pages that talk about it:

[fatlazyless]

You know you save the five dollar service fee which would go to the local town, when you go to the existing Marine Patrol building at the Gilford town docks as opposed to purchasing your boat registration at your town hall or at a marina.

For me and my boat, that means I pay about $37, as opposed to $42, so that is a pretty good savings......save five bucks.....go to the MP-HQ at Gilford town docks.

Am looking forward to saving five dollars in their new 7.8-million dollar MP-HQ starting maybe in April, 2016.....soon as the ice melts ....... so just gimmeeee five, Officer!!!

[CAVU]

Its probably too late but, any idea who to contact about bidding for the site work, shoring, concrete side of things. I know the GC's bid in the fall, I never had anything come across the usual job lead sites.

[Wreckn1]

Originally Posted by CAVU

Its probably too late but, any idea who to contact about bidding for the site work, shoring, concrete side of things. I know the GC's bid in the fall, I never had anything come across the usual job lead sites.

Yes it is too late. All GCs contacted their "subs of choice" for pricing to determine a price. The reason you did not see it on the usual job lead sites is because they did not want every sub in mass, nh and beyond contacting them when they didn't even have a full set of drawings. The GC has been selected to build it and they have their subs already lined up.

[tis]

Who is the general?

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

You know you save the five dollar service fee which would go to the local town, when you go to the existing Marine Patrol building at the Gilford town docks as opposed to purchasing your boat registration at your town hall or at a marina.

For me and my boat, that means I pay about $37, as opposed to $42, so that is a pretty good savings......save five bucks.....go to the MP-HQ at Gilford town docks.

Am looking forward to saving five dollars in their new 7.8-million dollar MP-HQ starting maybe in April, 2016.....soon as the ice melts ....... so just gimmeeee five, Officer!!!

City of Laconia charged an additional fee to use a credit card. The state do not. I haven't written a check in years nor do I have checks. One reason to register at Marine Patrol or any DMV outlet!

[Kamper]

Originally Posted by Frdxplorer

Do we know ... ?

I had the impression the MP became part of the SP last year. I'm not certain though. At any rate I believe the transition is in the works.

By "Civilian MP" do you mean the NHMP auxiliary? They do not have arrest/citation powers. They can only 'suggest." However if they observe you making a serious infraction they have the same right to file a complaint as any citizen and are likely to be considered a credible witness by the legal system.

[Frdxplorer]

Originally Posted by Kamper

By "Civilian MP" do you mean the NHMP auxiliary? They do not have arrest/citation powers. They can only 'suggest." However if they observe you making a serious infraction they have the same right to file a complaint as any citizen and are likely to be considered a credible witness by the legal system.

I'll be honest, I am not sure what I mean. I just saw that in the scope of work and it got me wondering. I was curious if "civilian" meant the part timers (seasonal) who do have ticket authority, but, for example, do not carry weapons and the "sworn" meant full time sworn police officers. Again, not really sure the difference, but it stuck out to me in reading the scope of work.

[Descant]

Building a house for $1MM is a lot different than constructing a "public" building that must have sprinklers, be ADA compliant, elevators, etc. Probably the house has eight foot ceilings and spans of 12-14 feet. Driving trucks and trailers through the building requires greater spans, and weight bearing capacity. Can you hoist a 10,000 lb boat from that household ceiling? What happens to the floor when you drop a V-8 engine on it? Does it sag when you put a couple of engines in the same room? It's just not close to being the same thing.

I believe the training folks operate out of Belmont, so there are offices and classrooms there. Dispatch and other functions moved to Concord when the MP merged into SP.

If you want more MP, they need the support structures, room, repair shops.. You can still support them by checking the block that says donate all or part of my gas tax refund to the Navigation Safety Fund. It's a tax-deductible donation.

I think it is premature to assume that $7.8MM will be spent. Wait until the bids come in. The $$ cannot be moved to other purposes, so they can't just "spend it because it is there."

[Kamper]

Originally Posted by Frdxplorer

... "civilian" ...

"Civilian" in an article or report, probably referred to non-sworn staff like mechanics, dispatchers and administrative personnel.

[Greene's Basin Girl]

Originally Posted by Frdxplorer

I'll be honest, I am not sure what I mean. I just saw that in the scope of work and it got me wondering. I was curious if "civilian" meant the part timers (seasonal) who do have ticket authority, but, for example, do not carry weapons and the "sworn" meant full time sworn police officers. Again, not really sure the difference, but it stuck out to me in reading the scope of work.

I was told last year that Marine Patrol employee's were part of the NH state police and they all carried weapons. I am not sure if this is accurate or not.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Green's Basin Girl

I was told last year that Marine Patrol employee's were part of the NH state police and they all carried weapons. I am not sure if this is accurate or not.

In fact, wasn't that posted on this forum?

[Wreckn1]

Current HQ are failing. This project has been in the works for the past 3yrs +. Money has been allocated as well as federal grants I'm sure. Commercial buildings have a different set of specs for building than residential. And yes everything is now figured out with life expectancy. The 7.8 million is a budget. My guess is bids will come in lower, then generally do all depends on materials being used etc. and yes the budget is for all work, which includes demo and removal of the existing HQ. All things have a life expectancy, look at all the roads and bridges that were built no more than 50 yrs ago. Everything has a timeline. There will always be people that don't agree with spending money for something that has outlived its useful life. Renovating the current building is not an option due to the type of construction that is there (prestressed concrete panels and block) believe me when I say they need a new building.

[RLW]

Wreckn1, I was just browsing through the forum and noticed that you are fairly new to posting on the forum after joining back in July 2008. We are glad that you have come aboard and joined us. Have fun and enjoy the Winni Forum while making many new friends.

Thanks for joining on the thread and hope to see your name (Wreckn1) on more of the forum threads in the future.

[DickR]

Hey, web, in that picture at the top of this thread, I was trying to imagine what part of the lake the pic is showing. The island arrangements don't look right. My best guess is it's from above Center Harbor, looking south. That's the only thing that makes any sense in the foreground. Perhaps the screwy placements of the islands further out is from camera distortion. Any other thoughts?

[pcmc]

7.8M is a big number, but a drop in the bucket if compared to amount of $$ this country gives away.
It sounds a little like 'Live free or Die' has has evolved into 'pay for it so stick around awhile' the gov. from the other 49 states is leaking in.

I would like to look at it as if 'they' are going to spend this much on a building to help police the lake, how much are they going to invest to preserve the lake.

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by DickR

Hey, web, in that picture at the top of this thread, I was trying to imagine what part of the lake the pic is showing. The island arrangements don't look right. My best guess is it's from above Center Harbor, looking south. That's the only thing that makes any sense in the foreground. Perhaps the screwy placements of the islands further out is from camera distortion. Any other thoughts?

Yes, Center Harbor looking south-east down the Broads. Black Cat, Three Mile and the Beavers are visible left to right, with Bear further down through the Three Mile-Beaver passage.

[HUH]

Talk about out of control spending.. they can not even man the boats they have now! This is all to make our precious time on the lake more enjoyable

[Misha888]

http://www.wmur.com/news/nh-marine-p...rters/30383552

[DRH]

Originally Posted by Green's Basin Girl

I was told last year that Marine Patrol employee's were part of the NH state police and they all carried weapons. I am not sure if this is accurate or not.

I asked Tim Dunleavy that question at a talk he gave at the Belknap County Sportsmens Club this past spring and he stated that all MP officers are now armed. The Marine Patrol is now part of the NH Division of State Police under the Department of Safety.