Moultonboro SMC Club Ride 2-7-2015 0800 VK

SAB1 · 02-23-2015, 07:45 AM

The riding this weekend was phenomenal. Hard to get better conditions. Saturday we took off out of Melvin bay and rode up to Conway. Corridor 19 was great. No rails showing all the way up. Had lunch headed back up Shaw and then home. Closetzguy had two friends up that were way more experienced than us but managed to do ok keeping with them. Great guys. Sunday we took off out of Melvin again early and had fresh groomed trails no body had been on. Not sure where we ended up because didn't have a map but worked our way south hoping to get down toward Johnson's on rt11. Never made it. We picked up 351 behind Kingswood that was all I recall being on. What map connects wolfeboro and powdermill? What trail do you pick up to get down on Rt11?

upthesaukee · 02-23-2015, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SAB1

The riding this weekend was phenomenal. Hard to get better conditions. Saturday we took off out of Melvin bay and rode up to Conway. Corridor 19 was great. No rails showing all the way up. Had lunch headed back up Shaw and then home. Closetzguy had two friends up that were way more experienced than us but managed to do ok keeping with them. Great guys. Sunday we took off out of Melvin again early and had fresh groomed trails no body had been on. Not sure where we ended up because didn't have a map but worked our way south hoping to get down toward Johnson's on rt11. Never made it. We picked up 351 behind Kingswood that was all I recall being on. What map connects wolfeboro and powdermill? What trail do you pick up to get down on Rt11?

Perhaps if you contact the snowmobile clubs in the areas where you will be traveling, you can get their maps and carry them with you. While I am not a snowmobiler, it doesn't seem that the maps are very expensive, and you will be helping out other clubs as well as your own.

Just a thought...

Closetzguy · 02-23-2015, 11:03 AM

Yes great weekend of riding! We had about 10 maps between us but nothing covered the East side of Rt 28 between Wolfboro and Alton Bay. We had the Wolfboro Assoc. map and the Mt. Major system map.
Our goal was Mt. Major from 20 mile bay without too much lake travel.
Still had a great time!

Gatto Nero · 02-23-2015, 05:23 PM

There is a link to an online corridor map in pdf format that you can download from http://www.nhstateparks.org/experience/snowmobiling/ and put on your smart phone.

VitaBene · 02-23-2015, 10:58 PM

There will be a shortish club ride 2/28 0800 at the VK. 80 miles with lunch at SunnyVilla.

Our progressive dinner ride is the same day departing from our garage off the neck road at 330 PM. Details to follow

hazelnut · 02-24-2015, 02:35 AM

Vita - Not sure if this spilled over from Facebook, but I saw the comments over there that you expressed and thought people should here it over on this forum. People apparently complained about trail conditions in Moultonboro and I saw your anger.

I have not been able to be on the trails for a few years now due to some financial and personal issues but I felt the need to say something. Vita, you and your fellow groomers do not get the credit you deserve. When I was an active member and user of the trails I was proud and appreciative of my club. You guys do amazing work and it is a thankless job. It bummed me out to see anyone making negative comments about the trails when you guys are working your asses off to make sure the riders have an enjoyable experience.

A big thanks from a former user and hopefully future user of the trails. I have had the privilege of sitting with you hearing about the difficulties associated with grooming, from winching up Red Hill to broken down machinery, yet you continue to make those trails as smooth as pavement. A special thanks to you for giving me years of enjoyment in the past and hopefully year of enjoyment in the future when I get back into the fun.

P.S. You owe me a ride in the groomer!

SAB1 · 02-24-2015, 07:24 AM

People were complaining about the trails? Make no sense. I haven't been riding every weekend in Moultonboro but have the past two and the trails have been A plus condition. That's one of the problems with internet and forums people whine to much. Big breeding ground for it. Sometimes you scratch your head and wonder if we were better off without it. You know kinda like cell phones.........
How did we ever live the first 35 years of life without them? Ha ha. Good job on grooming! Thank you for the efforts.

chrider · 02-24-2015, 07:46 AM

To the complainers of trail conditions: I would be happy to teach you how to operate the groomers. I happen to be one of the guys who does the training and have operated every machine and have groomed darn near every trail in Moultonboro and have worked countless hours on all of them. If you would like to step up and learn to be a groomer just let me know; I would be happy to bring you aboard. There are only a handful of people who groom the whole town, perhaps you could be one of them.

chrider

ITD · 02-24-2015, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chrider

To the complainers of trail conditions: I would be happy to teach you how to operate the groomers. I happen to be one of the guys who does the training and have operated every machine and have groomed darn near every trail in Moultonboro and have worked countless hours on all of them. If you would like to step up and learn to be a groomer just let me know; I would be happy to bring you aboard. There are only a handful of people who groom the whole town, perhaps you could be one of them.

chrider

I'm pretty sure you won't find any complainers in here. I wish I was up there more often I would take you up on your offer.......

VitaBene · 02-24-2015, 10:05 AM

Here is the link to our FB pagehttps://www.facebook.com/MoultonboroSMC. I got a little testy yesterday:

I am a little frustrated this AM. I was talking to someone who overheard a conversation at a local restaurant that went something like this:
Customer (on sleds) "The trails in Moultonboro are in terrible shape"
Bartender- "They never groom here"

Perhaps I should stop waking up at 2AM Friday and Sat nights to "never groom here"! We have a dedicated group of volunteers who get out and work hard to make our trails some of the best out there. No one gets paid a dime to do so. We groomed both weekend nights, but had a ton of people out on the trails both Sat and Sunday.

To Don Lemien, Brian Davis, Carl and Terri Eichhorn, Eric Erving, Dave Hicks, Liz Wagner, Vic Jones, Adam Baker, Pete Keenan, Bob Baker, Brian Coutu, Jack Bishop, Rob Lincoln and Cliff Fell- thank you for grooming!

Please understand that grooming is not dropping the drag and going- there is science behind the process. The drag has cutter bars that roll and heat the snow as it passes from front to back where the pan flattens and smooths it. The operator is constantly adjusting the drag to pull snow and flatten moguls to make a good surface without pushing snow off the trail. For best results, the snow "sets up" for 2-6 hours before traffic hits it. The set time is critical because that heated snow needs to refreeze or the moguls we just worked out quickly come back. That is why we try to groom overnight (and why you see groomers parked during the day).

Rant over- enjoy the trails!!

John Harrington, President MSC

dam1960 · 02-24-2015, 10:42 AM

John/VitaBene,

I've been a member of MSC for fifteen years and a silent observer of this forum for the same period.

You and the other MSC members should be commended for the excellent work and time you spend volunteering to make the trails enjoyable for everyone.

I have seen major improvements over the years. Keep up the good work...!

WINNOCTURN · 02-24-2015, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by upthesaukee

Perhaps if you contact the snowmobile clubs in the areas where you will be traveling, you can get their maps and carry them with you. While I am not a snowmobiler, it doesn't seem that the maps are very expensive, and you will be helping out other clubs as well as your own.

Just a thought...

CANOE KING RT 16 usually has a good assortment of local Club Maps

http://www.ossipeevalleysnowmobileclub.com/maps/

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(603) 323-7442

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tis · 02-24-2015, 01:45 PM

I read what you guys do and you should be commended! It is always a few who do all the work and the others complain. How lucky that you are willing to spend so much time doing what you do!! It is very thankless when you volunteer! Good luck guys and try not to let it bother you!!

WINNOCTURN · 02-24-2015, 02:29 PM

How much Snow do we have to Work with?

When you read the State Trails Report do you look at what each Club is reporting for Snow Amounts? (1) There are 2 things to look at #1 the SNOW BASE, which is what we have to WORK with. It only comes back so many times. Have you ever gone by a Road Crossing and look where someone has NAILED the throttle and all you see is DIRT? Where do we get the SNOW to fill and pack it back in?

(2) NEW SNOW. Take a look at these numbers between Moultonboro and Ossipee. It’s possibly do to the Ossipee Mountain Range and that Damm Welcome sign Moultonboro put up several years ago on RT 25 at the Moultonboro/Sandwich Town line. If there is 6” on the Moultonboro side there is a Foot and the Sandwich side. Check it out.
We have yet to have a Heavy Wet Snow to work with. It has all been Powder. That’s like trying to Groom Flour.

This what we had to work with for snow last week and this past weekend
2/20/15

Moultonborough
6” base, 4” to 6” new snow

Ossipee Area
10” base, 6” to 8” new snow

This what we will have for this week.
2/24/15

Moultonborough
4” to 8” base, 4” to 6” new snow

Ossipee Area
12” base, 6” new snow

DisClaimer,
I am knot reponcible for any punkuation, Speling or Grandmar in this dockyoument. I am OLD and LEFT HANDED

If you do not receive the weekly Trials Report you can go on line and sign up for it at this address.
http://www.nhstateparks.org/experience/snowmobiling/

02-23-2015, 05:23 PM	#4
Gatto Nero Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Isola Gatto Nero Posts: 697 Thanks: 162 Thanked 263 Times in 81 Posts	There is a link to an online corridor map in pdf format that you can download from http://www.nhstateparks.org/experience/snowmobiling/ and put on your smart phone. __________________ La vita è buona su Isola Gatto Nero

02-23-2015, 10:58 PM	#5
VitaBene Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,632 Thanked 1,641 Times in 844 Posts	2-28 There will be a shortish club ride 2/28 0800 at the VK. 80 miles with lunch at SunnyVilla. Our progressive dinner ride is the same day departing from our garage off the neck road at 330 PM. Details to follow

02-24-2015, 02:35 AM	#6
hazelnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,348 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 508 Thanked 462 Times in 162 Posts	Grooming Vita - Not sure if this spilled over from Facebook, but I saw the comments over there that you expressed and thought people should here it over on this forum. People apparently complained about trail conditions in Moultonboro and I saw your anger. I have not been able to be on the trails for a few years now due to some financial and personal issues but I felt the need to say something. Vita, you and your fellow groomers do not get the credit you deserve. When I was an active member and user of the trails I was proud and appreciative of my club. You guys do amazing work and it is a thankless job. It bummed me out to see anyone making negative comments about the trails when you guys are working your asses off to make sure the riders have an enjoyable experience. A big thanks from a former user and hopefully future user of the trails. I have had the privilege of sitting with you hearing about the difficulties associated with grooming, from winching up Red Hill to broken down machinery, yet you continue to make those trails as smooth as pavement. A special thanks to you for giving me years of enjoyment in the past and hopefully year of enjoyment in the future when I get back into the fun. P.S. You owe me a ride in the groomer!

02-24-2015, 07:46 AM	#8
chrider Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 27 Times in 11 Posts	Complain about Moultonboro Trails??? To the complainers of trail conditions: I would be happy to teach you how to operate the groomers. I happen to be one of the guys who does the training and have operated every machine and have groomed darn near every trail in Moultonboro and have worked countless hours on all of them. If you would like to step up and learn to be a groomer just let me know; I would be happy to bring you aboard. There are only a handful of people who groom the whole town, perhaps you could be one of them. chrider

02-24-2015, 10:05 AM	#10
VitaBene Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,632 Thanked 1,641 Times in 844 Posts	This was my FB rant on our club page Here is the link to our FB pagehttps://www.facebook.com/MoultonboroSMC. I got a little testy yesterday: I am a little frustrated this AM. I was talking to someone who overheard a conversation at a local restaurant that went something like this: Customer (on sleds) "The trails in Moultonboro are in terrible shape" Bartender- "They never groom here" Perhaps I should stop waking up at 2AM Friday and Sat nights to "never groom here"! We have a dedicated group of volunteers who get out and work hard to make our trails some of the best out there. No one gets paid a dime to do so. We groomed both weekend nights, but had a ton of people out on the trails both Sat and Sunday. To Don Lemien, Brian Davis, Carl and Terri Eichhorn, Eric Erving, Dave Hicks, Liz Wagner, Vic Jones, Adam Baker, Pete Keenan, Bob Baker, Brian Coutu, Jack Bishop, Rob Lincoln and Cliff Fell- thank you for grooming! Please understand that grooming is not dropping the drag and going- there is science behind the process. The drag has cutter bars that roll and heat the snow as it passes from front to back where the pan flattens and smooths it. The operator is constantly adjusting the drag to pull snow and flatten moguls to make a good surface without pushing snow off the trail. For best results, the snow "sets up" for 2-6 hours before traffic hits it. The set time is critical because that heated snow needs to refreeze or the moguls we just worked out quickly come back. That is why we try to groom overnight (and why you see groomers parked during the day). Rant over- enjoy the trails!! John Harrington, President MSC

02-23-2015, 07:45 AM	#1
SAB1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Tuftonboro Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 191 Thanked 326 Times in 238 Posts	The riding this weekend was phenomenal. Hard to get better conditions. Saturday we took off out of Melvin bay and rode up to Conway. Corridor 19 was great. No rails showing all the way up. Had lunch headed back up Shaw and then home. Closetzguy had two friends up that were way more experienced than us but managed to do ok keeping with them. Great guys. Sunday we took off out of Melvin again early and had fresh groomed trails no body had been on. Not sure where we ended up because didn't have a map but worked our way south hoping to get down toward Johnson's on rt11. Never made it. We picked up 351 behind Kingswood that was all I recall being on. What map connects wolfeboro and powdermill? What trail do you pick up to get down on Rt11?

02-23-2015, 11:03 AM	#3
Closetzguy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Andover, Ma and Tuftonboro, NH Posts: 97 Thanks: 15 Thanked 28 Times in 13 Posts	Yes great weekend of riding! We had about 10 maps between us but nothing covered the East side of Rt 28 between Wolfboro and Alton Bay. We had the Wolfboro Assoc. map and the Mt. Major system map. Our goal was Mt. Major from 20 mile bay without too much lake travel. Still had a great time!

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02-24-2015, 07:24 AM	#7
SAB1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Tuftonboro Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 191 Thanked 326 Times in 238 Posts	People were complaining about the trails? Make no sense. I haven't been riding every weekend in Moultonboro but have the past two and the trails have been A plus condition. That's one of the problems with internet and forums people whine to much. Big breeding ground for it. Sometimes you scratch your head and wonder if we were better off without it. You know kinda like cell phones......... How did we ever live the first 35 years of life without them? Ha ha. Good job on grooming! Thank you for the efforts.

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02-24-2015, 10:42 AM	#11
dam1960 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 31 Thanks: 1 Thanked 12 Times in 8 Posts	John/VitaBene, I've been a member of MSC for fifteen years and a silent observer of this forum for the same period. You and the other MSC members should be commended for the excellent work and time you spend volunteering to make the trails enjoyable for everyone. I have seen major improvements over the years. Keep up the good work...!

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02-24-2015, 01:45 PM	#13
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,754 Thanks: 753 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,016 Posts	I read what you guys do and you should be commended! It is always a few who do all the work and the others complain. How lucky that you are willing to spend so much time doing what you do!! It is very thankless when you volunteer! Good luck guys and try not to let it bother you!!

02-24-2015, 02:29 PM	#14
WINNOCTURN Deceased Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Moultonboro Posts: 849 Thanks: 350 Thanked 351 Times in 193 Posts	How much Snow do we have to Work with? How much Snow do we have to Work with? When you read the State Trails Report do you look at what each Club is reporting for Snow Amounts? (1) There are 2 things to look at #1 the SNOW BASE, which is what we have to WORK with. It only comes back so many times. Have you ever gone by a Road Crossing and look where someone has NAILED the throttle and all you see is DIRT? Where do we get the SNOW to fill and pack it back in? (2) NEW SNOW. Take a look at these numbers between Moultonboro and Ossipee. It’s possibly do to the Ossipee Mountain Range and that Damm Welcome sign Moultonboro put up several years ago on RT 25 at the Moultonboro/Sandwich Town line. If there is 6” on the Moultonboro side there is a Foot and the Sandwich side. Check it out. We have yet to have a Heavy Wet Snow to work with. It has all been Powder. That’s like trying to Groom Flour. This what we had to work with for snow last week and this past weekend 2/20/15 Moultonborough 6” base, 4” to 6” new snow Ossipee Area 10” base, 6” to 8” new snow This what we will have for this week. 2/24/15 Moultonborough 4” to 8” base, 4” to 6” new snow Ossipee Area 12” base, 6” new snow DisClaimer, I am knot reponcible for any punkuation, Speling or Grandmar in this dockyoument. I am OLD and LEFT HANDED If you do not receive the weekly Trials Report you can go on line and sign up for it at this address. http://www.nhstateparks.org/experience/snowmobiling/