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Old 04-15-2015, 06:39 AM   #1
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.....the plumbing fittings and replaced them with quick release cam locks. These are the bomb! http://www.camlock-fittings.com/ To prime the pump I also installed a vertical filler with a cam lock as well. These cam locks can be bought either online or locally. I got mine at the well/pump shop in Alton near the traffic circle on 28.
Thanks Maxum!! The pipe going from my septic pump up to the leach field uses this type of fitting and I agree they are fantastic. I wanted to use them for our fresh water feed as well but I didn't know what they were called and couldn't find them via google on the internet. I'll definitely swap them out when I put the pipe back in the water this year (hopefully sometime next week!!).

BTW our fresh water pump is a jet pump like yours however it is installed under the cottage (20+ ft above the lake level) versus at the lakefront. Is there a reason that you put it there? I've noticed that most of my neighbors have their pump down by the lake as well.
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Old 04-15-2015, 12:51 PM   #2
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Pumps are limited by how much they can lift water. Basically around 26 ft. You can push water much higher so some installations must be at the low side.
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Old 04-15-2015, 01:47 PM   #3
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Default Do you have electricity during the winter?

We have used a low voltage external pipe heater for decades. It's similar to this...Never had a problem. Flick a switch in the spring...Voila! Water.

http://www.heatline.com/
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Old 05-01-2015, 11:49 AM   #4
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We got the water in at camp on Welch last week. The process involved:

1. Close the drain valve just above the lake water level.

2. Close the drain at bottom of water tank and UV system.

3. Reinstall the two filter canisters with new cartridges.

4. Turn on the power and watch the gauge run up. Done.

Last fall we had ISS install a new pump system with a submersible pump that stays in the lake in about 12' of water, 30' beyond end of breakwater. Pump is mounted on a stainless steel frame and held at about a 45 degree angle.

All pipe stays in place for the winter, just open drain valves at end of season. I was concerned that the pipe would freeze and burst just below the drain valve. Steve at ISS said that he has installed about 25 such systems and never has had a problem. And he guaranteed the system, if the ice did it in he would fix it.

After getting the water in I left the system pressurized with the power off for 2 days and there was no loss in pressure. So no leaks after that cold winter.

We used to have a jet pump under the camp and a water hose that had to be put back in the lake. And then we had to prime the system which always took way too long. I don't miss the old jet pump one bit.
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Old 05-05-2015, 11:19 PM   #5
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Default Agreed

Slickcraft is absolutely right. We had ISS install a well pump many years ago and it has been basically trouble free. Several years ago, the plastic pipe rubbed through against the rocks at the shores edge. I cut out a small section and put a 4" PVC pipe as a sacrificial piece over the intake and it is good protection.

We also used to deal with priming the jet pump, etc and we had to replace the pumps frequently. same with old plumbing that is open under the house. That usually meant a day to see if things worked, and if not, a second day (weekend) to get parts and fix before the family would agree to come up. We all got tired of that after only a few decades. Slow learners.

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Luxury is getting a call from Steve a couple of days after ice-out that says the water is on, the furniture is outdoors and we cleaned the house and washed the windows. This gives us several extra weekends to play, when we used to fix and clean. Priceless.
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Why is it people complain about the priming of jet pump systems.... I was allowed to share a well with a neighbor for a while and got used to the easy life... But a few years back decided to go back to my own water system. (sharing sometimes doesn't work out)....

It takes me about 30 mins, to get the pipe in the water... I don't worry about getting it immediately in the right spot......prime the pump... and have running water...... I don't use any special tactics I Fill the water line to the pump and bell housing and give the air a path to escape... As long as your fittings are tight so your not sucking in air... these systems are really easy to manage....

As long as the foot valve is underwater you should be all set... I used mine for the first weekend, with it only in a few feet of water..and throwing distance from shore.. Last weekend with a wetsuit on, I moved it out to a deeper location, in just a few simple minutes...
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Default Scott designed auto prime

A very good friend designed a way to auto prime the pump. It consists of an extra length of thin pipe and a shut off valve. Open the valve, use an electric or gas pump to pump water into the line near the foot valve. This fills the thick pipe and primes the pump. Bada Bing...

Roger, come and take a look. It has never failed.

Put the basket under the dock and tie so it won't move... run the pump primer, turn on the jet pump and there is water. (as long as there are no issues under the house with broken pipes). When the water gets lower the basket can be moved deeper (and the water is warmer to do that)

Before this system, I always had trouble with the prime. If the system lost prime, there I was under the porch trying to prime it again. I suffered for years.

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Thanks Maxum!! The pipe going from my septic pump up to the leach field uses this type of fitting and I agree they are fantastic. I wanted to use them for our fresh water feed as well but I didn't know what they were called and couldn't find them via google on the internet. I'll definitely swap them out when I put the pipe back in the water this year (hopefully sometime next week!!).

BTW our fresh water pump is a jet pump like yours however it is installed under the cottage (20+ ft above the lake level) versus at the lakefront. Is there a reason that you put it there? I've noticed that most of my neighbors have their pump down by the lake as well.
Keeping the pump as close to the water as I could just seemed to make the most sense from an "engineering" standpoint. Less line to keep primed and less overhead for suction. These pumps have less trouble pushing water, but do on the suction side. So long as yours isn't having any problems I wouldn't move it.

Yeah those fittings are awesome no question and well worth the extra money to install them. Threading fittings to assemble or disassemble is just dumb when you can have a few strategically placed cam locks.
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