What do they check for when pulled over by the MP

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by HomeWood

They could attempt to pull up a drivers license photo but that's assuming they have computers on their boats with that capability. !

Pretty much all people have a computer known as a smart phone in their pocket today. I'm sure they carry phones. We all can pull up a drivers photo if that data base was accessible to us.

[HomeWood]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Pretty much all people have a computer known as a smart phone in their pocket today. I'm sure they carry phones. We all can pull up a drivers photo if that data base was accessible to us.

Yes, many people do these days and I'm sure they carry phones. (no need for snark, if you intended it)

Maybe NH has something like this https://cjleads.nc.gov/. It's a great tool. It's checks just about everything except NCIC stolen records.

[Kamper]

NH DMV also has had alphabetical look up capability for decades. I'm sure the police can also see your photo there as well and further verify it by any other info they have asked you for.

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by HomeWood

Yes, many people do these days and I'm sure they carry phones. (no need for snark, if you intended it)

Maybe NH has something like this https://cjleads.nc.gov/. It's a great tool. It's checks just about everything except NCIC stolen records.

No snarky at all HW. You posted this and I was just responding.

"I've never seen computers on MP boats and always assumed they called things in for checks"

A smart phone is certainly a computer and probably more powerful than most of our pc's 10 years ago. Thats all.

[AB_Monterey]

Does MP have SCMODS? (pulled over 9 yrs ago. 150ft infraction. Safety check and sent on my way with a warning)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkjJTAHOxXE

[HomeWood]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

No snarky at all HW. You posted this and I was just responding.

"I've never seen computers on MP boats and always assumed they called things in for checks"

A smart phone is certainly a computer and probably more powerful than most of our pc's 10 years ago. Thats all.

Gotcha and you're probably right on that!

[Skip]

Just as with driving a motor vehicle, when you operate the appropriate classed vessel you must carry your boater certificate (quasi license) with you. If you don't have it you can be issued a citation. But if you produce it within 48 hours your citation is null and void.

There is no statute that requires you to carry a photo ID. However, having one readily available can make the stop much quicker if the officer has a reliable way to identify you.

When they pull away they have two main ways to run your status and, in many cases, see if you are wanted. When in radio range they can call it in, or in many cases where coverage is spotty, they simply call dispatch via cell.

There are a variety of ways to try and identify you whether via social security number, height, weight, hair and eye color and age by having dispatch check the appropriate data bases. The ability to transmit license data with photo is still in experimental stages here in NH. However an officer with a broadband connected laptop and the appropriate CAD (law enforcement software) can directly query the State Police data base for license, registration and wanted/warrant status.

[bigdog]

I find it very interesting that the MP asked for license, photo id and registration.... Even though I respect the MP and glad they're on the lake to maintain order, I think sometimes they overstep their authority.

Now that they fall under the department of the NH State Police,
I would have serious concerns with MP officer carrying firearms.

Funny.... They don't ask for any of that infomation when you go to vote !

But that's a conversation for another forum Thread !

[DougNH]

They had full kit on.

[wifi]

Before the MP was absorbed into the SP, there were several incidences where the officer was overwhelmed by the people on the boat.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by DougNH

They had full kit on.

A number of officers within the Marine Patrol have been armed for years. They are authorized to be armed if they carry the appropriate firearms qualifications. Has nothing to do with the administrative transfer to State Police.

[HomeWood]

Originally Posted by bigdog

Now that they fall under the department of the NH State Police,
I would have serious concerns with MP officer carrying firearms.

What are your concerns with a police officer like MP carrying firearms?

I would have serious concerns about them NOT carrying firearms or any law enforcement officer for that matter. At any time they could come across the wrong person or be called to help other agencies locate a suspect or wanted person.

[Winnisquamer]

Originally Posted by HomeWood

What are your concerns with a police officer like MP carrying firearms?

I would have serious concerns about them NOT carrying firearms or any law enforcement officer for that matter. At any time they could come across the wrong person or be called to help other agencies locate a suspect or wanted person.

Has never crossed my mind to be concerned with police, Marine patrol, fish/ game wardens, or any of the other people we as tax payers actually pay to carry firearms carrying firearms.

One example could be marine patrol seeing an injured bear or moose on the edge of the lake and calling fish and game ( thread a few weeks ago saw one), the game warden walks up on an injured bear.

In his shoes you think you'd be more comfortable in that situation with a stick and rocks or your service weapon?

[Woodsy]

Knomad...

Your interpretation is a little off... consult a lawyer or you can ask the MP. When I did (both) this was what I was told.

270-D:1 Definitions
VI. "Headway speed'' means 6 miles per hour or the slowest speed that a boat can be operated and maintain steerage way

The interpretation of the law is that you are allowed up to 6 MPH, if you are above 6 MPH you must be able to demonstrate that you need the extra speed to maintain steerage. (Spring current in the Weirs Channel for example)

The reasoning is that different boats need different speeds to maintain steerage, but it is essentially universally recognized that 6 MPH works in 99% of cases. Most people think that No Wake Speed = DEAD SLOW and it does not.

There is no such thing as no wake... any boat moving forward displacing water will create a wake of some sort. The height of the wake is certainly debatable.

Here is an easy explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake

I apologize, but as an engineer, the term No Wake really bugs me as it is physically impossible for a boat.

Woodsy

[tis]

I see plenty of boats who are obeying the law who don't even show a ripple of a wave when they go through a no wake zone. You just don't want to believe it, Woodsy.

[Descant]

Check out the steam boats in Lee's Mills this week. Full speed ahead, pass each other, etc . And all in a NWZ (within 150' of each other). You don't have to go fats to have fun on the water.,

[Dave R]

Why does anyone care if the boat makes a little wake at <6 MPH? A cannonball "dive" will disturb the water more than most boats at that speed.

[rowinghelmet]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Why does anyone care if the boat makes a little wake at <6 MPH? A cannonball "dive" will disturb the water more than most boats at that speed.

Thanks for asking this Dave R. I've always wondered this too. Why do people get so bent out of shape about this? My philosophy is to get mooring whips, a lift, and or fenders and call it a day...

[Woodsy]

Just for the record... a human cannonball has A LOT less energy than a boat wake... it all has to do with displacement. A 5000lb boat displaces way more water with a lot more energy...

Thant being said, I do believe boaters should be courteous and polite. I just think that a NWZ is mislabeled. It should read Headway speed - 6 MPH.

Woodsy

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Why does anyone care if the boat makes a little wake at <6 MPH?

Because some people need better hobbies. I would think that dedicating your life to yelling at strangers having fun would not be very fulfilling, yet it seems to be a vibrant local pastime among many.

[SAMIAM]

Actually, I love it when someone throws up a wake going by my place.....helps clean the beach and shore and I've got mooring whips.
We used to be able to teach our kids to ski right off the dock until a few activists got together and had our bay declared no wake. Many of us were away or just not paying attention.

[nightrider]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Why does anyone care if the boat makes a little wake at <6 MPH? A cannonball "dive" will disturb the water more than most boats at that speed.

I have recently, and unfortunately, have had a wakeboard boat going back and forth in front of my camp doing the "surf" thing. They are going pretty damn close to 6 MPH and are throwing up a tremendous wake that causes havoc when it hits shore. These waves toss my 22' boat around like a cork. My point is, 6 MPH does not necessarily equate to a small wake.
Also, here's a way to pass through the weirs channel during the spring flow at about 6 MPH (relative to the land and as observed via GPS). Say the water is flowing through the channel at 10 MPH. Approach the channel and as you get into the current, reverse direction, facing into the current. Maintain headway speed of 4 MPH or so relative to the water into the current while actually going backwards through the channel at 6 MPH relative to the land and GPS readings. Just be careful of the boats passing you doing 16 MPH relative to the land and GPS.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by nightrider

I have recently, and unfortunately, have had a wakeboard boat going back and forth in front of my camp doing the "surf" thing. They are going pretty damn close to 6 MPH and are throwing up a tremendous wake that causes havoc when it hits shore. These waves toss my 22' boat around like a cork. My point is, 6 MPH does not necessarily equate to a small wake.
Also, here's a way to pass through the weirs channel during the spring flow at about 6 MPH (relative to the land and as observed via GPS). Say the water is flowing through the channel at 10 MPH. Approach the channel and as you get into the current, reverse direction, facing into the current. Maintain headway speed of 4 MPH or so relative to the water into the current while actually going backwards through the channel at 6 MPH relative to the land and GPS readings. Just be careful of the boats passing you doing 16 MPH relative to the land and GPS.

On the worst day the current in the weirs never exceeds 2 or 3 mph, in fact I don't think it exceeds 2 myself. You don't need to change your speed at all to maintain headway, either way, in that current.

[Woodsy]

ITD...

During the spring runoff, with the dam wide open the current in the Weirs channel under the bridge where it necks down (narrowest point) is easily 5-6 knots! The current is moving at such a speed as to cause white caps.

I think the normal current in the channel is 1-1.5 knots depending on the dam outflow.

Of course you have to change your speed to overcome the current... If you are in a 2 knot current you need a minimum of 3 knots to maintain forward motion...

Woodsy

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

ITD...

During the spring runoff, with the dam wide open the current in the Weirs channel under the bridge where it necks down (narrowest point) is easily 5-6 knots! The current is moving at such a speed as to cause white caps.

I think the normal current in the channel is 1-1.5 knots depending on the dam outflow.

Of course you have to change your speed to overcome the current... If you are in a 2 knot current you need a minimum of 3 knots to maintain forward motion...

Woodsy

6 knots is 6.9 mph..... no way. My boat idles at about 4 or 5 mph and with the dam wide open I have never had any problem making 3+ mph against the current in that channel. AND you don't have to change your speed, you just go slower relative to the land.

[Woodsy]

ITD... I respectfully disagree

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by nightrider

I have recently, and unfortunately, have had a wakeboard boat going back and forth in front of my camp doing the "surf" thing. They are going pretty damn close to 6 MPH and are throwing up a tremendous wake that causes havoc when it hits shore. These waves toss my 22' boat around like a cork. My point is, 6 MPH does not necessarily equate to a small wake.

Wake surfing is done around 9-11 MPH. That will make a giant wake (pretty much the biggest possible wake for the boat, which is the point...). 6 MPH won't make nearly enough wake to surf on any boat.

[Phantom]

Not sure if you all realize but most Ski/Wake board type inboards have a "skeg" that they can drop beneath the stern of the boat (below the swim platform). Which when engaged runs across the width of the boat stern and enhances the size of the wake. Also, some are equipped with fillable/drainable water bladders to add weight to the stern area further enhancing the wake.


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[Winnisquamer]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Not sure if you all realize but most Ski/Wake board type inboards have a "skeg" that they can drop beneath the stern of the boat (below the swim platform). Which when engaged runs across the width of the boat stern and enhances the size of the wake. Also, some are equipped with fillable/drainable water bladders to add weight to the stern area further enhancing the wake.


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I own a wakesurf boat and use it daily so I'll chime in.. Seeing as majority of wake specific boats are V drive I can realistically cruise through a no wake zone at 9mph causing no wake to complain about, for me 1 click past neutral is 6mph.

Surfing is performed between 9.5-12mph depending on boat. Most boats (good surf boats at least) will have ballast bags that you fill with water in order to list the boat. Newer boats use trim tabs or "surf systems" to avoid listing the boat. Also if your in shallow water your doing it wrong. These boats need 10 feet of water or deeper so there is no turbulence between the bottom of the lake and the wake. This will essentially wash out your wave and piss off the neighbors.

From a surfers opinion you have a better wave listed, both ways will create the same disturbance for boats in the area. People who drive circles surfing or wakeboarding should be hung by their ankles and forced to watch how it's really done.

Correct way to surf is to pick a destination on the horizon and go as straight as possible for multiple reasons. First this keeps the wave the same for the surfer, turn towards them the wave will shrink and suck them towards the boat, turn away from them it'll push the rider outside of the boats ideal wave. Secondly this way the waves hit the shoreline and are finished, they do not converge in the middle of the lake creating a rough lake.

This method is exactly why as much as people complain a wakeboard or wakesurf competition can run 200 passes a day and keep the lake calm for each rider.

I'd expect to see more surf boats over the coming years. Realistically it's the new tubing. Seeing guys who haven't put on a pair of water skis in over a decade because they are self proclaimed too old or too beat up and watching them pick up surfing in a few hours revitalizes their drive to be active behind the boat again.

I too get frustrated with surfers going by my house in fear of my boat however a pair of mooring whips and my 6,000 lb boat has never touched the dock. As far as soil erosion and stuff, work Google. States like Utah/Arizona/ Texas have been all over that subject for years to monitor their environment.

If anyone ever finds them selves on Winnisquam and wants to give it a shot next season let me know. Always interested in sharing a great sport with newcomers.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Pretty much all people have a computer known as a smart phone in their pocket today. I'm sure they carry phones. We all can pull up a drivers photo if that data base was accessible to us.

Some of us still rely on payphones ..... u-know, if you ask around for a payphone....there's always, always, always....someone who will volunteer the use of their cell phone ..... so's at least the ten-cent payphone is still here in spirit form?