US Coast Guard on Speed and Accidents

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

"...Wow... so now it gets personal.... I am actually pretty surprised! I really expected better from you. Too bad you actually stooped to this level...Woodsy..."

Actually, permission was given to post the entire "Jefe" post from DonziRegistry.com.

It could not have been linked here in good conscience; moreover, it would not have remained posted here, as this is a family forum.

Wordsy's really been done a favor, and no reference to a real name has been made here.

It's not really a big effort to keep posts non-personal here: Notice the use of "Passive Voice"? One will see very few "I", "my", "you", or "yours", in the replies sent from this keyboard.

Besides, these past weeks have been instructive: Cal, for example, has earned a few notches for well-tempered responses from Cal's keyboard. Contrast those with this collection of Opponent revelations (paraphrased for maximum eye-rolling effect):

FACT: Radar doesn't work for boats.
FACT: 2002's most experienced boater would not have been affected by a speed limit.
FACT: No accidents involving speed have occurred on Winnipesaukee.
FACT: Horror stories aren't facts.
FACT: Mountainous lakes will echo less noise than flatland lakes.
FACT: Performance boats don't leave wakes.
FACT: NH salesmen won't sell you a boat with switchable exhaust.
FACT: All "Lakers" were noisy.
FACT: The deletion of posts from other sites don't mean anything.
FACT: Occurrences on other lakes are of no consequence.
FACT: Tres Martin's school is too far and expensive for performance boaters.
FACT: "Reasonable and prudent" has been found to be Constitutional.
FACT: Only performance boats will be discriminated against.
FACT: The faster the boat, the better the drivers can hold their liquor.
FACT: Speedboaters are being oppressed.
FACT: A collision at 90 is the same as a collision at 44.9 MPH.
FACT: There aren't enough boats on the lake.
FACT: Common sense will solve the speed problem.
FACT: One of the fastest boaters on Winnipesaukee has not benefited from the newest NWZ.
FACT: A site hosted by a Mass-person cannot be used to criticize out-of-state weekend boaters.
FACT: Nothing written here will influence anybody.
FACT: Records of Lake Winnipesaukee's speed-related crashes are readily available.
FACT: With the speed limit, speedboaters will be stopped from boating altogether.
FACT: Kayaks are the problem, not performance boats.
FACT: Cigarette boats know how to "play together" with other boaters.
FACT: Cabin cruisers are the real problem.
FACT: Winnipesaukee's "Most Experienced Boater for 2002" sped at exactly 28-MPH one night.
FACT: With a speed limit law, there will be fewer boats on the water.
FACT: Laws do not promote safety.
FACT: Elderly boaters are the problem, not speeders.
FACT: OSO has posted all of the collisions that have occurred.
FACT: BWI is a non-speed-related offense.
FACT: All the posts (50) are still there, and not deleted.
FACT: The most unlikely way that you will be killed is by a performance boat.
FACT: Lightning will kill more boaters than speeders will.
FACT: Speedboat sites that censor themselves aren't afraid of the facts.
FACT: Only posts with unsubstantiated or anecdotal evidence are being deleted.
FACT: Driver error or BWI should not be counted in performance boat crashes.
FACT: "NH fishermen will suffer because the Maine, Mass, fisherman do not have to obey speed laws in their states."
FACT: The 150-foot safe passage rule means Winnipesaukee doesn't need a speed limit.
FACT: Lake George has a speed limit, so it doesn't need a safe-passage law.
FACT: High speeds only occur on The Broads -- away from people.
FACT: In trying to reduce a wake, trim tabs will be ripped off,
FACT: "Speed Kills" is a meaningless phrase.
FACT: Director Barrett will not be able to enforce the new law.
FACT: Speed is #4 in accidents; however, reckless operation, inattention, and inexperience don't apply to performance boaters.
FACT: Stupidity is not against the law.
FACT: Emotion should not precipitate law-making.
FACT: Nixon was impeached.
FACT: Fewer vessels were involved in crashes in the category "over 40 MPH" than any other category -- including "not moving".

Finally: Will an "end-run" on HB162 occur in the next day or two? With "facts" like the above, who knows?

UPDATE: In this evening's extreme-boating news, I found this:

"ask woodsy how fast art and him went in the 57 boat...."

There is more than one "woodsy"? And if not, shouldn't we be advised of other risk-taking behaviors before accepting advice on HB162? The discussion topic was a new 200-MPH pleasure-speedboat! http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...1&postcount=23

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[Cal]

APS,
Don't you worry about me , Don already does , so I can't "go trolling" to start trouble like you seem to enjoy.
All I have to say is , I take your last post as a personal insult , grouping me with all the others. I speak for myself

[Seaplane Pilot]

WASHINGTON Jan 18, 2006 — About one-third of the people killed in automobile crashes involving the nation's youngest drivers were pedestrians or occupants of other vehicles, according to a report released Wednesday.
For the rest of the story...
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/wireStory?id=1516764

Maybe the NH legislature should focus on a real safety issue such as teen drivers (ban them altogether - more safety?), not a fabricated safety issue like the boat speed limits. I'm far less afraid of getting killed by a boat on Winnipesaukee going more than 45MPH than I am of these out of control teen drivers on the streets. Now, if we all went back to horse & buggy days...

[Woodsy]

APS...

You have tried to use Jefe's post in order to further your own agenda. I take a great offense to that as Jefe is my friend. I don't know how it is where you come from, but where I come from a man stands up for his friends.

As usual, you only tell part of the story and take quotes completely out of context. Your insinuations that the thread cannot be linked here in good conscience is absurd. As I have stated before, I have nothing to hide. Here is the link to the thread over on Donzi.net that contains the adventures of Jefe during the 2004 Donzi Poker Run. For those who are so inclined, its a pretty good (long) read, but nothing outrageous occurred. Just a bunch of friends from all over the country gathered here on Lake Winnipesaukee to have some fun. Jefe does tend to go on a bit much about the pretty girls, but thats Jefe, he likes pretty girls. The part about the "Bumpa Cars" is pretty funny. Too bad you don't know him, because then you would get the real sense of the story.

http://www.donzi.net/forums/showthread.php?t=36923

I have no idea who the other "Woodsy" is. I have a different screen name over on OSO.

Woodsy

[ApS]

Okaaaa-ay, your call.

1) "Money talks?" Sorry, but this crowd comes across as seedy. http://www.donzi.net/forums/showpost...66&postcount=4

2) As for standing up for friends, "Winnipesaukee's Most Exerienced and Most Educated Speedboater for 2002" also had lots of people standing up for their friend. Many unknown to him. Why?

3)

Originally Posted by Woodsy

I have no idea who the other "Woodsy" is. I have a different screen name over on OSO.

That's odd...he reads the same:

Re: 130 MPH NorTech on Winnipesaukee???
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Its good to see high perf isn't quite dead yet on the Lake....

Woodsy

No matter what happens in the next few days or weeks, it's the headlines that will keep this issue before the Winnipesaukee public.

4) "Safe Passage" isn't getting it done.
5) "Education" was a band-aid, proving marginal.
6) I can name you a scenic lake twice the size of Winnipesaukee that enacted a 10-MPH speed limit—just this year.
7) "Speed"—with or without alcohol—will drive the headlines, and the headlines will drive the Legislature.

If not now, later.