Dock Length Question

anticd70 · 10-20-2016, 11:31 AM

I will be renting a private home with a 20' dock. Can I legally park a boat on the dock that maybe 22' or 24' long?

Thanks

ishoot308 · 10-20-2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by anticd70

I will be renting a private home with a 20' dock. Can I legally park a boat on the dock that maybe 22' or 24' long?

Thanks

Yes...

Dan

Pineedles · 10-20-2016, 11:41 AM

You can legally tie up the Mount to your dock, if you think it can hold it.

Phantom · 10-20-2016, 11:53 AM

The answer already given is YES

But -- considering you have a 24" boat it's going to be QUITE tricky to tie off and feel comfortable about it.

Remember, you have to allow distance from shore and consider that the dock (no doubt) doesn't start literally at the waters edge. Sounds to me your attempting to tie a 24 footer on (realistically) 12-15 feet of dock. Also consider waves !!

Good luck

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LIforrelaxin · 10-20-2016, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by anticd70

I will be renting a private home with a 20' dock. Can I legally park a boat on the dock that maybe 22' or 24' long?

Thanks

Assuming your are going with the owner or agents write up that the place has a 20' dock.... As other have stated there is a lot to consider....

And here is something else... what does the owner / agent mean by 20' dock.... is the dock only 20' long, or do they mean docking for a 20' boat... What is the water depth at the dock, it may be 20' long, but if the first 10' of the dock is only in 1' of water, Huston you have a problem...

Lots of variables

So yes you can tie the mount up to your 20' dock if your comfortable with it but can you get the mount to it is the question...

jeffk · 10-20-2016, 01:43 PM

When are you renting? Now? The low water may make the 20 ft. far less.

If not renting until spring/summer it shouldn't be as bad.

Kamper · 10-20-2016, 02:19 PM

You can use additional lines and anchors to hold yourself off from the dock and shore. Just remember that when the boat leaves the dock, that gear has to come out of the water. One of our members found this out the hard way a few years ago. (KaChing)

Descant · 10-20-2016, 02:30 PM

As stated above: Legally, as in NH laws, no problem. If this is a condo or other place where there is an association in charge, there may be internal rules limiting boat length.

Especially at public docks, I routinely back my boat in and leave the bow extending beyond the end of the dock, so a 25-35 foot boat might use only 18-22 feet of dock. Where the manufacturer didn't provide one, I have added an extra cleat amidships to allow this. Water depth at a private dock may be a limiting factor unless you can raise your engine.

Your 24' boat may be a little heavy if the dock is only a temporary seasonal dock, and there is any wind/wave exposure.

I have friends in a cove where there is frequent wake surfing. The wakes lift the boat, which lifts and moves the dock. The cove is otherwise very protected and calm.

Pineedles · 10-20-2016, 02:43 PM

Guess my joke went down the drink. But another option if you really want to rent this place is, perhaps they have a mooring ball that you could use if the water depth at the dock is a limiting factor.

ApS · 10-21-2016, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by anticd70

I will be renting a private home with a 20' dock. Can I legally park a boat on the dock that maybe 22' or 24' long? Thanks

Yes.

But I would use a lot of padding.

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anticd70 · 10-21-2016, 08:40 AM

Thanks everyone!

SAMIAM · 10-22-2016, 10:24 AM

Speaking of dock length......anyone know what is the max allowed.
I have 30' but would like to extend another 16 to get into deeper water.
Existing dock does not touch the water. It is built on a narrow peninsular and the addition would be the same which makes me wonder if I would need a permit for a dock or a deck.

Descant · 10-22-2016, 11:36 AM

Anything that has a permanent "structure" on the shore requires a permit. This would include a concrete pad where the dock attaches so it can be winched up in the winter. If we all ask a bunch of questions, you can get a lot of speculative answers. Try DES at 271-4067.

MeredithMan · 10-22-2016, 11:40 AM

As I recall from when we got our permit a few years back, length of waterfront frontage determines dock length. 100' frontage allows a 40' dock. You can petition for more, but as I recall, you have to submit documentation, etc. The website where you go for the dock permit, (DES, I think?), details all of the rules.

DRH · 10-22-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MeredithMan

As I recall from when we got our permit a few years back, length of waterfront frontage determines dock length. 100' frontage allows a 40' dock. You can petition for more, but as I recall, you have to submit documentation, etc. The website where you go for the dock permit, (DES, I think?), details all of the rules.

The requirements may have changed, but when I applied to DES for a dock permit for a 100' frontage lot in 1994, I was only allowed to install a 30' dock.

tis · 10-22-2016, 12:27 PM

It has changed. Our kids were allowed a 40' dock. It is shallow

Kamper · 10-22-2016, 01:22 PM

Don't forget, it's a rental. The owner will have a say in it.

Onshore · 10-23-2016, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Descant

Anything that has a permanent "structure" on the shore requires a permit. This would include a concrete pad where the dock attaches so it can be winched up in the winter. If we all ask a bunch of questions, you can get a lot of speculative answers. Try DES at 271-4067.

Even seasonal structures without permanent anchors need approval. This would include season boatlifts and seasonal personal watercraft lifts despite what that local dealer may tell you.

Swim rafts are not DES but rather Marine Patrol.

Installing a floating structure 1 ft. off shore, calling it a swim raft and tying a boat to it thinking that one is amazingly clever... no, sorry, been thought of dozens of times already. Eligible to be fined as both an illegal mooring and an illegal dock.

codeman671 · 10-24-2016, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MeredithMan

As I recall from when we got our permit a few years back, length of waterfront frontage determines dock length. 100' frontage allows a 40' dock. You can petition for more, but as I recall, you have to submit documentation, etc. The website where you go for the dock permit, (DES, I think?), details all of the rules.

100' of frontage dictates the number of boat slips you can have, not the allowable length of your dock.

The following rules apply to larger NH lakes:

At 75 feet or greater you can have 1 finger/ 2 boat slips, and every 75' after allows an additional slip. If you use a seasonal/lift out dock you can have 40', if you go with a permanent dock you can get 30' unless you can prove shallow depths. The legal definition of a slip is 25' of dock length extending out, starting at 3' of lake depth at full lake, and 8' width.

See attached link for all the details:

http://des.nh.gov/organization/commi...ents/wb-19.pdf

These rules were the same 12 years ago when I went through permitting.

V ger · 11-15-2016, 09:44 PM

It is only possible to park a boat if it is on a trailer.

jeffatsquam · 11-16-2016, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by V ger

It is only possible to park a boat if it is on a trailer.

This is true you slip a boat.

But you drive on a Parkway

And Park on a Driveway

rsmlp · 11-16-2016, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffatsquam

This is true you slip a boat.

But you drive on a Parkway

And Park on a Driveway

I don't know about "slipping" your boat but you def DOCK your boat:

http://www.boatingmag.com/how-to-dock-boat

That said, you DO NOT "park" a boat.

Phantom · 11-16-2016, 10:41 AM

Clearly a slow day on the Forum

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dickiej · 11-16-2016, 01:29 PM

Jeez.....why are men always measuring their docks?

10-20-2016, 11:31 AM	#1
anticd70 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 46 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Dock Length Question I will be renting a private home with a 20' dock. Can I legally park a boat on the dock that maybe 22' or 24' long? Thanks

10-20-2016, 11:53 AM	#4
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	The answer already given is YES But -- considering you have a 24" boat it's going to be QUITE tricky to tie off and feel comfortable about it. Remember, you have to allow distance from shore and consider that the dock (no doubt) doesn't start literally at the waters edge. Sounds to me your attempting to tie a 24 footer on (realistically) 12-15 feet of dock. Also consider waves !! Good luck . __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

10-22-2016, 11:40 AM	#14
MeredithMan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Bedford, NH; Meredith, NH Posts: 965 Thanks: 263 Thanked 819 Times in 336 Posts	waterfront frontage determines dock length As I recall from when we got our permit a few years back, length of waterfront frontage determines dock length. 100' frontage allows a 40' dock. You can petition for more, but as I recall, you have to submit documentation, etc. The website where you go for the dock permit, (DES, I think?), details all of the rules.

11-15-2016, 09:44 PM	#20
V ger Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Parking a Boat It is only possible to park a boat if it is on a trailer.

11-16-2016, 10:41 AM	#23
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	Clearly a slow day on the Forum . __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

10-20-2016, 11:41 AM	#3
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,547 Thanks: 1,073 Thanked 668 Times in 367 Posts	You can legally tie up the Mount to your dock, if you think it can hold it.

10-20-2016, 01:43 PM	#6
jeffk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Center Harbor Posts: 1,173 Thanks: 207 Thanked 437 Times in 253 Posts	When are you renting? Now? The low water may make the 20 ft. far less. If not renting until spring/summer it shouldn't be as bad.

10-20-2016, 02:19 PM	#7
Kamper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Thornton's Ferry Posts: 1,309 Thanks: 67 Thanked 172 Times in 128 Posts	You can use additional lines and anchors to hold yourself off from the dock and shore. Just remember that when the boat leaves the dock, that gear has to come out of the water. One of our members found this out the hard way a few years ago. (KaChing)

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10-20-2016, 02:30 PM	#8
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,413 Thanks: 1,366 Thanked 1,636 Times in 1,068 Posts	As stated above: Legally, as in NH laws, no problem. If this is a condo or other place where there is an association in charge, there may be internal rules limiting boat length. Especially at public docks, I routinely back my boat in and leave the bow extending beyond the end of the dock, so a 25-35 foot boat might use only 18-22 feet of dock. Where the manufacturer didn't provide one, I have added an extra cleat amidships to allow this. Water depth at a private dock may be a limiting factor unless you can raise your engine. Your 24' boat may be a little heavy if the dock is only a temporary seasonal dock, and there is any wind/wave exposure. I have friends in a cove where there is frequent wake surfing. The wakes lift the boat, which lifts and moves the dock. The cove is otherwise very protected and calm.

10-20-2016, 02:43 PM	#9
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,547 Thanks: 1,073 Thanked 668 Times in 367 Posts	Guess my joke went down the drink. But another option if you really want to rent this place is, perhaps they have a mooring ball that you could use if the water depth at the dock is a limiting factor.

10-21-2016, 08:40 AM	#11
anticd70 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 46 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	Thanks everyone!

10-22-2016, 10:24 AM	#12
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,912 Thanks: 338 Thanked 1,690 Times in 594 Posts	Speaking of dock length......anyone know what is the max allowed. I have 30' but would like to extend another 16 to get into deeper water. Existing dock does not touch the water. It is built on a narrow peninsular and the addition would be the same which makes me wonder if I would need a permit for a dock or a deck.

10-22-2016, 11:36 AM	#13
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,413 Thanks: 1,366 Thanked 1,636 Times in 1,068 Posts	Anything that has a permanent "structure" on the shore requires a permit. This would include a concrete pad where the dock attaches so it can be winched up in the winter. If we all ask a bunch of questions, you can get a lot of speculative answers. Try DES at 271-4067.

10-22-2016, 12:27 PM	#16
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,774 Thanks: 755 Thanked 1,464 Times in 1,020 Posts	It has changed. Our kids were allowed a 40' dock. It is shallow

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10-22-2016, 01:22 PM	#17
Kamper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Thornton's Ferry Posts: 1,309 Thanks: 67 Thanked 172 Times in 128 Posts	Don't forget, it's a rental. The owner will have a say in it.

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11-16-2016, 01:29 PM	#24
dickiej Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: White Salmon, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 21 Thanked 171 Times in 93 Posts	Jeez.....why are men always measuring their docks?

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