Wake-setter boats

[Descant]

First, we had to deal with the noisy "drag boats". Outlawed. Remember years ago when "we" started petitioning to stop jet skis in many coves? Then jet skis got bigger and were boats and "we" passed NWZ's for coves, then large areas like Meredith Bay. Then we passed whole lake speed limits and noise restrictions. And look at the progression of NRZ and all the restrictions on anchoring that don't exist elsewhere.
Isn't it ironic that NH, Winni in particular, the LFOD state, has more rules than anybody except maybe Lake George?

In "your" cove is it neighbors who are boarding? Or boaters from elsewhere?
If you and maybe a couple of friends get in your canoes and go out in the cove and drop a fish line, you just created a 300' diameter NWZ. If it's outside boaters, they'll find another spot to make waves. If it's your neighbors, maybe you'll all get together and find a way to share the cove and minimize erosion. But please, no more new laws.

[FlyingScot]

Thanks for bringing up this important issue, Dante. It's a problem even in larger bays. The erosion issue is a serious risk--more erosion means more phosphorous in the water, which leads to more plant growth, which leads to less lake for all.

Wake-setters, like extra load and extra fast boats, should be regulated. Though none of us enjoy being regulated, it's not right to let a small number of extreme boats cause disproportionate disruption.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by PeterG

Thanks for bringing up this important issue, Dante. It's a problem even in larger bays. The erosion issue is a serious risk--more erosion means more phosphorous in the water, which leads to more plant growth, which leads to less lake for all.

Wake-setters, like extra load and extra fast boats, should be regulated. Though none of us enjoy being regulated, it's not right to let a small number of extreme boats cause disproportionate disruption.

I say regulate the kayaks and stand-up-paddleboards. (just my opinion, though)

[tummyman]

Originally Posted by Descant

First, we had to deal with the noisy "drag boats". Outlawed. Remember years ago when "we" started petitioning to stop jet skis in many coves? Then jet skis got bigger and were boats and "we" passed NWZ's for coves, then large areas like Meredith Bay. Then we passed whole lake speed limits and noise restrictions. And look at the progression of NRZ and all the restrictions on anchoring that don't exist elsewhere.
Isn't it ironic that NH, Winni in particular, the LFOD state, has more rules than anybody except maybe Lake George?

In "your" cove is it neighbors who are boarding? Or boaters from elsewhere?
If you and maybe a couple of friends get in your canoes and go out in the cove and drop a fish line, you just created a 300' diameter NWZ. If it's outside boaters, they'll find another spot to make waves. If it's your neighbors, maybe you'll all get together and find a way to share the cove and minimize erosion. But please, no more new laws.

To my knowledge, the wave-setters are exclusively from OUTSIDE the cove. We see them all coming in. None are owned by people in the cove. And where is DES that regulates everything....but they do nothing about shoreline erosion from these boats?? Where is "Shore things" when she is needed ????

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by tummyman

And where is DES that regulates everything....but they do nothing about shoreline erosion from these boats??

Build a seawall and be done with it if your that concerned !


http://www.wikihow.com/Build-a-Seawall

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[Winnisquamer]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Build a seawall and be done with it if your that concerned !


http://www.wikihow.com/Build-a-Seawall

https://www.redi-rock.com/how-to-sto...ing-walls.html

http://www.dreamscapeslincoln.com/ou...taining-walls/



the end......

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But it's cheaper to complain and have everyone else pay!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Build a seawall and be done with it if your that concerned ! the end.......

Seawalls lead to erosion at the neighboring lots.

In my locale, I've seen only one seawall. It's possible that they're not permitted. Lakes with many seawalls cause even greater wake damage—plus wakes tend to be returned even larger.

Lake of the Ozarks (LOTO) had a 26' cruiser sunk by a following wake, drowning a woman passenger. LOTO allows seawalls.

Today, I watched a wake-setter boat. Its wake settled down to nothing while the boat went in a straight line. A subsequent curve in the line raised a large and curling wake that did make its way to crash ashore.

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[SIKSUKR]

Oh boy, thats quite a jump. The suggestion in your post is that the woman died because of seawalls. Wow

[codeman671]

Surprised nobody has set this straight.

These are wakeboard/wakesurf boats, not wake-setter boats. Wake-setter is a model/series made by Malibu.

[ThePlut]

For the last decade, we rented a house every summer in Blackey Cove. The house sold last year, we will miss it dearly, it's a wonderful location on the lake and I deeply envy each of you that have a home there.

In the past, the cove was/is used heavily for wakeboarding and skiing, even tubing and some of those waves were definitely impressive on their own. I stopped tubing in there myself, and try to make sure when we board I stay as much to the middle as I can (hard to do if more than one person is trying to used ).

However, the last 2 years we were there, I do admit, the boats set up for wakesurfing (and I'm certain one of those boats is new, and lives in the cove) were doing a NUMBER on the boat and the dock I used. Had to adjust the dock a few times during my rental. Those setups do throw off an impressive wake, similar to some of the bigger cruisers at maximum plowing speed.

If I lived in there, I'd definitely be looking at what I could do to shore up my dock, get my boat on a lift or at least some whips to protect it. I'm not sure what else you can do. While there are a fair share of 150' violations (it's a small cove...), the actual wake and how they are using the boat is not illegal.


Just a sign of the times, maybe slolam skiing will become popular again and the minimal wake boats will make a resurgence.

[NH_boater]

Originally Posted by ApS

.........—plus wakes tend to be returned even larger.

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This would seem to ignore the laws of physics. Can you explain or provide data? I have searched and found nothing.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by NH_boater

This would seem to ignore the laws of physics. Can you explain or provide data? I have searched and found nothing.

You piqued my curiosity--reflected waves certainly certainly seem to make things worse for boats on the lake on a busy weekend. But yeah, we all know a wall can't magnify an individual wake. Here's a great explanation from ClimatetechWiki that bridges the gap:

Smooth, vertical seawalls are the least effective at dissipating wave energy; instead, the structures reflect wave energy seawards. Reflection creates turbulence, capable of suspending sediments (Bush et al., 2004), thus making them more susceptible to erosion. In a worst-case scenario, reflected energy can interact with incoming waves to set up a standing wave which causes intense scouring of the shoreline (French, 2001).

It's those damn "standing waves"!

Here's the link with pluses and minuses of seawalls and full references:

http://www.climatetechwiki.org/content/seawalls

[ApS]

Wakesetters, Jet-Skis, and waterskiers have found that navigation controls to delineate only one-way travel works to keep wakes under control on Midwestern lakes.

Originally Posted by NH_boater

This would seem to ignore the laws of physics. Can you explain or provide data? I have searched and found nothing.

Search some more.

From earlier observations here:
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...ad.php?t=10576

Most of the data deals with theory and the mathematics to support it: little can be done from real-life scenarios. A lake's wave and wake patterns are too "chaotic" for such studies.

A single wake won't be returned larger from a seawall; however, multiple wakes, combined with the right wind conditions have produced some notable rogue waves. On LOTO, reports have testimony of 10 foot waves. (As does the book, "Three Centuries on Lake Winnipesaukee"). I have seen brief peaks of similar-sized wakes appearing between large speeding cruisers. You may recall my post from years ago, of having been ejected from my boat in that very circumstance.

Take a catamaran sailboat and position yourself off a Lake Winnipesaukee seawall. You'll find yourself caught up in that "standing wave" condition--which is difficult for a sailboat to break out of.

Winnipesaukee has an irregular shoreline: now consider the effect of the even more irregular shoreline at The Lake of The Ozarks (LOTO).

While the "data" is primarily anecdotal, lake veterans of 50 years have prepared YouTube videos showing how LOTO's natural cliffs and seawalls have conspired to make the lake waters even rougher. One video shows a floating gas dock--with five pumps--being tossed around!

BTW: That LOTO cruiser fatality was traced to a cruiser already having an electrical bailer problem when it was swamped from behind.