Braun bay

[lavecchi]

I was at Braun bay Saturday and I saw MP on pwc giving tickets, is this something new ?

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by lavecchi

I was at Braun bay Saturday and I saw MP on pwc giving tickets, is this something new ?

I haven't seen one yet but I'm surprised that it's taken them this long to get them into their fleet.

[Woodsy]

They have had the PWC's for a long time.... they use them in places like Braun to get into the shallow water to write the tickets!

Woodsy

[8gv]

What do you suppose the tickets were for?

[hd333]

Tickets were for the wet t-shirt contest.


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[Rinkerguy]

Tickets to the winners or losers of the wet T shirt contest?

Hate it when they ruin good clean fun on the lake

[wifi]

L-O-L.... BB is a zoo.

[8gv]

Originally Posted by hd333

Tickets were for the wet t-shirt contest.


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Coordinates for Braun Bay please...

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by 8gv

Coordinates for Braun Bay please...

Just follow the trail of urine.
Gross, I know, but it's an inevitable comment when discussing BB!

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[Phantom]

Red arrow is the "Sand Bar Area" ........ It has been a No Rafting Zone for years and periodically MP puts a full court press on to remind everyone of that ....... Same situation as FL#75 (West Alton) sandbar ........ which inevitably simply drives even more boats over to Patrician shores, making that spot ridiculous now too !


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[Gould1]

Was this wet t-shirt contest a planned event or a spur of the moment thing? Because now I'm pissed I missed it!

[Prestige Worldwide]

I heard marine patrol has four new PWC's this year. They are primarily used to patrol popular rafting areas of the lake. Two are used undercover and the the other two have uniformed officers.

I was there Saturday and saw them moving boats that were within 75' of shore and they made boats untie if there were more than two boats rafting together.

Does anyone know if marine patrol uses drones to spy on Braun Bay?


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[tis]

75' from shore? It's 150' from shore.

[Woodsy]

Tis..

Braun Bay rules have a 75' from shore minimum... 25' between boats (single) 50' between boats (rafted). there can be no more than 2 boats tied together in Braun Bay NRZ.

The NHMP will write tickets for any of these infractions....

Woodsy

[Formula260SS]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Just follow the trail of urine.
Gross, I know, but it's an inevitable comment when discussing BB!

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I call it urination cove, it was fun when younger but now I'm older.....

[tis]

Braun Bay has special rules? THey don't have the usual no rafting rules?

[depasseg]

Originally Posted by tis

Braun Bay has special rules? THey don't have the usual no rafting rules?

Saf-C 407.03 Prohibited Areas.

(a) Rafting, as defined in RSA 270:42, V, shall be prohibited on the following portions of Lake Winnipesaukee, unless covered by one of the exceptions specified in RSA 270:45:

(1) The area known as Kona Mansion, in the town of Moultonborough, east of an imaginary line running north and south from the red top mark buoy located on the western tip of Avery's Point on the south to the Kona Farm gas docks on the north;

(2) Small's Cove in the town of Alton, southwest of an imaginary line running southeast-northwest from light 75 on the northwestern end to the northernmost point of land marking the entrance to the first cove, south of Small's Cove on the south;

(3) Wentworth Cove, southwest of Governor's Island Bridge west of an imaginary north-south line, running from light 43 on the north to the black top buoy, located off Wentworth Cove Estates on the south;

(4) Braun Bay, within 300 feet of both fish and game property lines, to be delineated by marine patrol with orange mooring balls;

(5) Braun Bay, at a distance less than 75 feet from shore, to be delineated by marine patrol with orange mooring balls;

(6) The area known as Cedar Cove, specifically identified as the area opposite Plum Island which borders the town of Alton tax map 18, lot numbers 12 through 20 and 55;

(7) The area of Winter Harbor from the southern boundary of the town of Tuftonboro tax map 63, lot number 14 to the southern boundary of tax map 51, lot number 20;

(8) The entire area known as Green’s Basin in the town of Moultonborough;

[tis]

Thank you, depasseg. I wonder why that is.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Tis..

Braun Bay rules have a 75' from shore minimum... 25' between boats (single) 15' between boats (rafted). there can be no more than 2 boats tied together in Braun Bay NRZ.

The NHMP will write tickets for any of these infractions....

Woodsy

I'm pretty sure that's 50 ft if boats are rafted. 25 if they are not rafted.

I saw the MP checking up at the sandbar at Smalls Cove two weeks ago, also using a jet ski. Someone got a ticket or written warning for being too close to shore and had to move.

They didn't seem to check boats that were closer to each other than 25 ft but seemed more interested in the ones that were too close to shore at the time.

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm pretty sure that's 50 ft if boats are rafted. 25 if they are not rafted.

I saw the MP checking up at the sandbar at Smalls Cove two weeks ago, also using a jet ski. Someone got a ticket or written warning for being too close to shore and had to move.

They didn't seem to check boats that were closer to each other than 25 ft but seemed more interested in the ones that were too close to shore at the time.

Typo.... LOL! Thanks for pointing it out! Fixed!

Woodsy

[AC2717]

5) Braun Bay, at a distance less than 75 feet from shore, to be delineated by marine patrol with orange mooring balls;

hmmm - technicality to get out of the ticket: there are white spar markers not orange mooring balls there,

according to this one could argue that Marine patrol did not properly delineate therefore there is no way of knowing if you were breaking the rule or not

[tis]

I am still curious as to why Braun Bay is only 75' from shore, when other rafting areas are 150' from shore. Anybody know?

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by tis

I am still curious as to why Braun Bay is only 75' from shore, when other rafting areas are 150' from shore. Anybody know?

Perhaps because there are no shoreline camps/houses there?

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by tis

I am still curious as to why Braun Bay is only 75' from shore, when other rafting areas are 150' from shore. Anybody know?

I didnt see where there were any minimum distance from shore in NRZ except Braun.

[Woodsy]

Tis...

What Siksukr said..... Braun Bay is the only NRZ that has a distance from shore requirement. Not sure why that is? The people of NH own to the high water mark, so in all of the other NRZ's you can go as shallow as you dare.

Woodsy

[Major]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Tis...

What Siksukr said..... Braun Bay is the only NRZ that has a distance from shore requirement. Not sure why that is? The people of NH own to the high water mark, so in all of the other NRZ's you can go as shallow as you dare.

Woodsy

Even though I was the first one to anchor that day, I was asked to move in Advent Cove last year for being too close to the shore. I didn't think that was the rule for Advent Cove, but I was in no position to argue with the marine patrol. I was also told I had to be 50 feet from the next adjacent boat. That doesn't seem to be a rule as well for that cove.

[Seaplane Pilot]

I think tis is correct - unless it's Braun Bay, all other no-rafting zones have a requirement to anchor 150' or more from shore:

PART Saf-C 407 RAFTING RULES



Saf-C 407.01 Rafting Rules.



(a) In addition to and in conjunction with the requirements of RSA 270:44, no person, except as otherwise provided herein, shall, in a prohibited location or at a prohibited time:



(1) Form or allow a boat which he or she is operating or in charge of to be a member of a raft consisting of 3 or more boats;



(2) Form or allow the boat which he or she is operating or in charge of to be a member of a raft if any part of such raft is:



a. Less than 150 feet from shore;



b. Less than 50 feet from any other raft; or



c. Less than 50 feet from any occupied single boat which is stationary upon the waters of the same lake or pond; and



(3) Anchor a single boat and cause it to remain stationary upon the waters of a lake or pond, other than momentarily, if any part of such boat is:



a. Less than 150 feet from shore;



b. Less than 50 feet away from any raft; or



c. Less than 25 feet away from any other single boat which is stationary upon the waters of such lake or pond.

[tis]

Thank you, SP for posting that so I didn't have to. So now, back to why Braun Bay is only 75' while the other rafting areas are 150' away from shore. Hill country: Maybe?

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by tis

Thank you, SP for posting that so I didn't have to. So now, back to why Braun Bay is only 75' while the other rafting areas are 150' away from shore. Hill country: Maybe?

Probably because there are no houses on the shore of the Braun Bay NRZ.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Formula260SS

I call it urination cove, it was fun when younger but now I'm older.....

But the lake hasn't warmed up enough!

Now that you're older, you're suggesting NH implement NPZs?

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[SIKSUKR]

Thanks for setting me straight my friend. A post with no wiseguy remark? You're getting soft.

[sum-r breeze]

We were in the bay and had as many as 7 boats rafted together. MP came in and wrote us all tickets for the violation. I think the fine was $36.75 for each boat. What's the current tariff for having too much fun together with your boating friends?

The Breeze
Wave 'cuz I'll be wavin' back

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Thanks for setting me straight my friend. A post with no wiseguy remark? You're getting soft.

Ha! It's the kinder, gentler version of SP!

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by sum-r breeze

We were in the bay and had as many as 7 boats rafted together. MP came in and wrote us all tickets for the violation. I think the fine was $36.75 for each boat. What's the current tariff for having too much fun together with your boating friends?

The Breeze
Wave 'cuz I'll be wavin' back

The red neck Yacht club.

[SIKSUKR]

Wait a minute. As I read that again, I understand it to be not less than 150 when rafted to another boat so I see it as ok to be closer with one.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Wait a minute. As I read that again, I understand it to be not less than 150 when rafted to another boat so I see it as ok to be closer with one.

Look again, SS - See Paragraph 3:

(3) Anchor a single boat and cause it to remain stationary upon the waters of a lake or pond, other than momentarily, if any part of such boat is:



a. Less than 150 feet from shore;



b. Less than 50 feet away from any raft; or



c. Less than 25 feet away from any other single boat which is stationary upon the waters of such lake or pond.


HA! I just saved YOU a ticket...now you owe ME a beer!!

[SIKSUKR]

Once again I failed to read the complete post. Got it SP
I never anchor anyway. I'll just tie up to your dock.

[CrownRay]

Want to see a lot of boats? Go To Worlds' End in Hull. All kinds of fun. Especially when the new-bies anchor on the sandbar...that wasn't there at High Tide...HEHE

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Once again I failed to read the complete post. Got it SP
I never anchor anyway. I'll just tie up to your dock.

Any time SS!

[bigdog]

Originally Posted by CrownRay

Want to see a lot of boats? Go To Worlds' End in Hull. All kinds of fun. Especially when the new-bies anchor on the sandbar...that wasn't there at High Tide...HEHE

CrownRay....

I've been to Worlds' End in Hull several times, you're right "all kinds of fun" !!!

My brother kept his 33 Cruisers', with twin 450's, docked at the Newton yacht club, and had to drive up the Charles River, through the locks at the Museum of Science, just to get into Boston Harbor, then then a sprint over to 'World's End'.

I can't imagine his gas bill back and forth... Yikes !

[Rinkerguy]

Time for the boaters on the lake to organize and lobby to abolish the rafting rules on the lake. Boaters spend more $$$ on this public lake than the crybaby land owners. All in favor of reasonable rules for rafting, but these current restrictions are rediculous!!!

[Doobs41378]

Originally Posted by Rinkerguy

Time for the boaters on the lake to organize and lobby to abolish the rafting rules on the lake. Boaters spend more $$$ on this public lake than the crybaby land owners. All in favor of reasonable rules for rafting, but these current restrictions are rediculous!!!

I will assume you are not using the 10s of thousands of dollars these "crybaby land owners" are paying in taxes? Define spending more money?

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Rinkerguy

Time for the boaters on the lake to organize and lobby to abolish the rafting rules on the lake. Boaters spend more $$$ on this public lake than the crybaby land owners. All in favor of reasonable rules for rafting, but these current restrictions are rediculous!!!

I agree that the rafting rules are overbearing and may need some changes. However that may result in more noise complaints from property owners.

As far your contention that boaters spend more money on the lake than land owners: Not even close. The average tax bill for property owners on the lake is $20,000 to $40,000 and most property owners use no town services. Just the property tax bill alone is substantially more than what is spent by the majority of boat owners.

Also, most property owners on the lake have at least one boat, and many have several boats so they are spending money there too. Most weekend boaters or non property owners have only one boat so they contribute less in registration fees and maintenance costs than multiple boat owners. That spending also supports the local economy.

[Pontoon Goon]

I am still wondering why MP is selling tickets to a wet tee shirt contest ?

[tis]

Some boats aren't even registered in this state yet use the lake.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Rinkerguy

Time for the boaters on the lake to organize and lobby to abolish the rafting rules on the lake. Boaters spend more $$$ on this public lake than the crybaby land owners. All in favor of reasonable rules for rafting, but these current restrictions are rediculous!!!

Really?



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[Descant]

There are 424 Reps and Senators in NH. One of them is either a neighbor or a relative. Call yours and suggest better rules. Be specific, not just "we need better rules". Be quick. The bill filing period for 2018 ends in mid-September. Contact info is on www.NH.gov.

[Justmee]

Sure, I will help you understand. The MPs are there because we call them, and no they do not need to spy! Believe it or not there are actual people living around Braun Bay and trying to coexist with the animal like behavior a few of you display as well as the rubbish and beer cans that get blown into our docks. So it is the homeowners who promptly dispatch MPs.

Somewhere along the line many of you missed a simple point that just because something is allowed or takes effort to enforce, it may still be a bad idea. For example: assuming that the person next to you is interested in listening to your music. Perhaps, someone prefers to read a book in quite while you are getting loaded with beer with your friends. It is called common courtesy! There is a reason why more and more areas and sand bars around the lake are being regulated and I am certain Braun Bay will go that course in due time.

Meanwhile, a few sane visitors could exercise some self regulation by mentioning to the boat near by to keep the music below party levels. There are many boats anchored in the Bay on weekends, however only two or three feel the need to blast their music!

[HellRaZoR004]

Originally Posted by Justmee

Sure, I will help you understand. The MPs are there because we call them, and no they do not need to spy! Believe it or not there are actual people living around Brown Bay and trying to coexist with the animal like behavior a few of you display as well as the rubbish and beer cans that get blown into our docks. So it is the homeowners who promptly dispatch MPs.



Somewhere along the line many of you missed a simple point that just because something is allowed or takes effort to enforce, it may still be a bad idea. For example: unassuming that the person next to you is interested in listening to your music. Perhaps, someone prefers to read a book in quite while you are getting loaded with beer with your friends. It is called common courtesy! There is a reason why more and more areas and sand bars around the lake are being regulated and I am certain Braun Bay will go that course in due time.



Meanwhile, a few sane visitors could exercise some self regulation by mentioning to the boat near by to keep the music below party levels. There are many boats anchored in the Bay on weekends, however only two or three feel the need to blast their music!

Braun Bay has been around a lot longer than you or any of the houses. What did you think would happen when you bought near one of the more popular sand bars?

[Old Sarge]

Justmee welcome to the forum!

[Descant]

Welcome to the Forum.
I'm sorry, bu it sounds like you bought Winni property with your eyes wide shut. It is Braun Bay, not Brown. In today's expanding market, I'm sure you can resell and get your money back, including Realtor fees. Braun Bay is a widely, if not nationally known, party sandbar. Inflate your inner tube/raft and paddle on over. These are nice folks and you may actually enjoy them. Talk to some of your neighbors who have been there awhile. I think you'll find you've bought in a nice protected cove with some busy times a few hours on weekends.
(I have a great island place with a beautiful view. All my guests marvel. I hardly see it after my second cup of morning coffee or my evening cocktail. Too busy enjoying the lake and my grandchildren.

[Gould1]

If you can't beat them you might as well join them!!

[tis]

Well, I have to say and I think I have said it before. I sure wouldn't want to live on Braun Bay!! I would never buy a house there. I feel sorry for people that owned before it became what it is today.

[Doobs41378]

Originally Posted by Descant

Welcome to the Forum.
I'm sorry, bu it sounds like you bought Winni property with your eyes wide shut. It is Braun Bay, not Brown. In today's expanding market, I'm sure you can resell and get your money back, including Realtor fees. Braun Bay is a widely, if not nationally known, party sandbar. Inflate your inner tube/raft and paddle on over. These are nice folks and you may actually enjoy them. Talk to some of your neighbors who have been there awhile. I think you'll find you've bought in a nice protected cove with some busy times a few hours on weekends.
(I have a great island place with a beautiful view. All my guests marvel. I hardly see it after my second cup of morning coffee or my evening cocktail. Too busy enjoying the lake and my grandchildren.

Fair enough but we all know the lake crowds have increased a lot and the attitudes of a lot the people have changed also. I was at a beach a few weeks ago and there were lots of families there etc. A kid that had been drinking decided the bathroom was too far away so he literally peed "behind" a tree that had people on both sides. I know we were all young once but this showed such blatant disrespect it was crazy. I am sure justmee sees the same crazy things at times. I see both sides of it is all.