2.2 acre Big Island, Paugus Bay; proposed summer girl's camp

SIKSUKR · 10-19-2017, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 8gv

Out of curiosity, where does the sewerage go?

Same place as all the other hundreds of islands.

AC2717 · 10-19-2017, 08:47 AM

one issue that does come to mind is that if it being a camp, although I like the idea, I am not a fan of a conferenece center. Also the camp would be a lot of extra traffic to a very busy area on the lake, being across from it, I am just thinking now of all the paddle boards, kayaks, canoes, swimming groups and other water activites, that could increase danger, still there are markers all around the islands due to rocks.

I dunno jury is out for me, I am more curious about the end game if the camp does not sustain, on the other hand you could have 7 new properties with 7 new docks and more boating traffic, and the water is very shallow on the Weirs BLVD side so how far will docks be out into the water on that side.
and the SDS side narrow and shallow in spots so having to extend docks out would really cut down the traffic on that side of the island (possibly making a case for a no wake zone), forcing it to the other side and making an already busy boating lane even more

My question is the properly dividable, yes there is room for buildable lots, but is the subdivision already approved from the town? does it have to be? and can the town hold it to just 1-3 lots?

This is a tough call for sure.

Orion · 10-19-2017, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Same place as all the other hundreds of islands.

.....and mainland shorefront properties. Though the size/placement of the septic system sustaining a camp on such a small island would seem to be an issue. Not to mention the Laconia water intake is right near there.

Descant · 10-19-2017, 09:53 AM

I wondered about sewer/septic. The LDA article said utilities are piped to the island. They did not say underwater cable. Piped to me could indicate water ad sewer. Without sewer, I would expect some sort of common septic/leach field in the center of the island as there are setback requirements from shore line, significantly reducing land available for septic systems.
The current owner may be generous and wealthy, but Ithink we all know of instances where the trustees in future years squandered the trust fund, the plan failed and the municipality ended up with a partially developed project, i.e. unmarketable.
Who knows the septic/sewer plan?

MAXUM · 10-19-2017, 10:07 AM

Since part of the proposal is to "pipe in" utilities to the island I have to believe that would include sewer/water etc.. as 2.2 acres does not seem like sufficient enough space to install private utilities capable of handling the load of a conference center and or girls camp. As is to there is not going to be a lot of room to work with and it would be even more complicated if you consider a well and septic and the associated setback requirements into the mix.

fatlazyless · 10-19-2017, 11:47 AM

... some more info .... a special exception, development report, September 22, 2017, application with drawings, maps, photos, and details ..... a totally super-duper plan...... JUST APPROVE IT ........ for the 'BIG ISLAND CAMP', or some such summer camp name such as 'CAMP LACONIA' as yet to be determined and named appropriately by the producer/director of this island project!

http://www.laconianh.gov/AgendaCente...31?fileID=1589

Apparently, the utility lines and pipes; water, sewer and electricity were installed underground, under the lake, using a drilling process called 'directional boring' ... reference: a NH public utilities commission pdf, Feb 13, 2015, Big Island utilities installation application hooking up with Laconia city water and city sewer and local electric.

With "piping laid under the lake", I don't know, but maybe this makes Big Island the only Winnipesaukee island where flushing the toilet travels the septic waste all the way, off island, to the waste water treatment plant, wherever that is. Sort of gives new meaning to that old camp message carved onto many a camp bathroom wall that goes; "Flush twice, it's a long way to the kitchen." On Big Island, they can honestly say: "Flush twice, it's a long way to the waste water treatment plant."

Have to wonder if Big Island was also hooked up to cable-tv with high speed internet and an olde fashioned telephone land line?

You know what's a lot of fun ....having an olde fashioned, crank-up telephone, internal camp phone system, with old working phones that pre-date the rotary dial telephone, where you get to count the number of crank turns .... could be a very nice touch for an island summer camp, hidden away on beautiful Lake Winnipesaukee ...... and could go something like this ....... "four ringie-dingies = waterfront, three ringie-dingies = arts & crafts, two ringie-dingies = dining room/kitchen, and one ringie-dingie = office"...... hellooooooooo!

Do not see a tennis court in the island layout plan ..... but, maybe an outdoor pickle-ball court, which is one third the size of a tennis court ....could be a go? Plus, pickle-ball is much easier to quickly pickle up than tennis for the first time player.

"If this proposal doesn't move forward, as many as seven homes could be on the island under existing zoning." ....and, permanent water, sewer, and electricity seems like a game changer.... will the Laconia Fire Dept want Big Island to have a fire hydrant?

Orion · 10-20-2017, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

Since part of the proposal is to "pipe in" utilities to the island I have to believe that would include sewer/water etc.. as 2.2 acres does not seem like sufficient enough space to install private utilities capable of handling the load of a conference center and or girls camp. As is to there is not going to be a lot of room to work with and it would be even more complicated if you consider a well and septic and the associated setback requirements into the mix.

Running all utilities on/off island certainly solves the problem. That said, seems like a wonderful project for the girls and my hat's off to the owner/developer willing to do such.

Descant · 10-20-2017, 04:09 PM

I'm amazed that they could get permits and run all the pipes and cables to Big Islands and nobody posted here "Guess what's happening at Big Island". The Forum watchdogs have been asleep, it would seem.

Outdoorsman · 10-20-2017, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Descant

I'm amazed that they could get permits and run all the pipes and cables to Big Islands and nobody posted here "Guess what's happening at Big Island". The Forum watchdogs have been asleep, it would seem.

Well it's not like they want to put in a bike path/walking trail on state owned property. THAT would be outrageous.

10-19-2017, 08:47 AM	#2
AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,585 Thanks: 756 Thanked 356 Times in 268 Posts	one issue that does come to mind is that if it being a camp, although I like the idea, I am not a fan of a conferenece center. Also the camp would be a lot of extra traffic to a very busy area on the lake, being across from it, I am just thinking now of all the paddle boards, kayaks, canoes, swimming groups and other water activites, that could increase danger, still there are markers all around the islands due to rocks. I dunno jury is out for me, I am more curious about the end game if the camp does not sustain, on the other hand you could have 7 new properties with 7 new docks and more boating traffic, and the water is very shallow on the Weirs BLVD side so how far will docks be out into the water on that side. and the SDS side narrow and shallow in spots so having to extend docks out would really cut down the traffic on that side of the island (possibly making a case for a no wake zone), forcing it to the other side and making an already busy boating lane even more My question is the properly dividable, yes there is room for buildable lots, but is the subdivision already approved from the town? does it have to be? and can the town hold it to just 1-3 lots? This is a tough call for sure. __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"

10-19-2017, 11:47 AM	#6
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,811 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 301 Thanked 1,027 Times in 747 Posts	... some more info .... a special exception, development report, September 22, 2017, application with drawings, maps, photos, and details ..... a totally super-duper plan...... JUST APPROVE IT ........ for the 'BIG ISLAND CAMP', or some such summer camp name such as 'CAMP LACONIA' as yet to be determined and named appropriately by the producer/director of this island project! http://www.laconianh.gov/AgendaCente...31?fileID=1589 Apparently, the utility lines and pipes; water, sewer and electricity were installed underground, under the lake, using a drilling process called 'directional boring' ... reference: a NH public utilities commission pdf, Feb 13, 2015, Big Island utilities installation application hooking up with Laconia city water and city sewer and local electric. With "piping laid under the lake", I don't know, but maybe this makes Big Island the only Winnipesaukee island where flushing the toilet travels the septic waste all the way, off island, to the waste water treatment plant, wherever that is. Sort of gives new meaning to that old camp message carved onto many a camp bathroom wall that goes; "Flush twice, it's a long way to the kitchen." On Big Island, they can honestly say: "Flush twice, it's a long way to the waste water treatment plant." Have to wonder if Big Island was also hooked up to cable-tv with high speed internet and an olde fashioned telephone land line? You know what's a lot of fun ....having an olde fashioned, crank-up telephone, internal camp phone system, with old working phones that pre-date the rotary dial telephone, where you get to count the number of crank turns .... could be a very nice touch for an island summer camp, hidden away on beautiful Lake Winnipesaukee ...... and could go something like this ....... "four ringie-dingies = waterfront, three ringie-dingies = arts & crafts, two ringie-dingies = dining room/kitchen, and one ringie-dingie = office"...... hellooooooooo! Do not see a tennis court in the island layout plan ..... but, maybe an outdoor pickle-ball court, which is one third the size of a tennis court ....could be a go? Plus, pickle-ball is much easier to quickly pickle up than tennis for the first time player. "If this proposal doesn't move forward, as many as seven homes could be on the island under existing zoning." ....and, permanent water, sewer, and electricity seems like a game changer.... will the Laconia Fire Dept want Big Island to have a fire hydrant? __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 10-27-2017 at 05:45 AM.

10-20-2017, 04:09 PM	#8
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,425 Thanks: 1,369 Thanked 1,642 Times in 1,071 Posts	Simply amazing I'm amazed that they could get permits and run all the pipes and cables to Big Islands and nobody posted here "Guess what's happening at Big Island". The Forum watchdogs have been asleep, it would seem.

10-19-2017, 09:53 AM	#4
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,425 Thanks: 1,369 Thanked 1,642 Times in 1,071 Posts	I wondered about sewer/septic. The LDA article said utilities are piped to the island. They did not say underwater cable. Piped to me could indicate water ad sewer. Without sewer, I would expect some sort of common septic/leach field in the center of the island as there are setback requirements from shore line, significantly reducing land available for septic systems. The current owner may be generous and wealthy, but Ithink we all know of instances where the trustees in future years squandered the trust fund, the plan failed and the municipality ended up with a partially developed project, i.e. unmarketable. Who knows the septic/sewer plan?

10-19-2017, 10:07 AM	#5
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 246 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	Since part of the proposal is to "pipe in" utilities to the island I have to believe that would include sewer/water etc.. as 2.2 acres does not seem like sufficient enough space to install private utilities capable of handling the load of a conference center and or girls camp. As is to there is not going to be a lot of room to work with and it would be even more complicated if you consider a well and septic and the associated setback requirements into the mix.