Health Insurance

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Not to Worry

Google the Obamacare and you will find that the claim of 20 million newly insured is not accurate. Washington simply played games with how they counted.

Obamacare is a disaster. I am paying a fortune for Health Insurance with a 10K deductible. IMHO the plan was to break the system of buying Health Insurance and force us into a single pay government backed health.

Best of luck finding a better solution.

Good idea on Google. If I ignore the pundits who hyperventilate at the word "Obama", and also set aside conspiracy theories such as the whole thing is a plan to break the system, I get a 2015 Goldman Sachs estimate of 17 million, including increased use of Medicaid (which was part of the plan). I'd call that close enough for government work.

I think we all agree that government should be doing something to reduce healthcare costs without sacrificing quality of care. Neither party has a plan to do that. The Republican plan would have cut spending, and I would have enjoyed the tax break. But their proposal would have increased costs and reduced coverage for the poor, sick, and old.

[jbolty]

None of the plans, especially Obamacare do anything the address healthcare expense or increase the supply. It was all a show to come up with a different way to continue paying the inflated and ever increasing costs.

single payer would be an even bigger disaster that obamacare but all the left wing nuts can't see past their wish for bigger and bigger government.

I saw this picture during the original Ocare debate and it scares the hell out of me that anyone thinks this is a good idea.

[Major]

Originally Posted by PeterG

I think we all agree that government should be doing something to reduce healthcare costs without sacrificing quality of care.

I want our Federal Government to provide for things in which it is Constitutionally obligated to address. No more, no less. Healthcare is not a Constitutional Right. Let the free market decide. Encourage competition. If money needs to be provided to those who truly cannot afford healthcare, let the state and local governments worry about it.

I know many, many people who claim that they cannot afford healthcare. These same people have financed cars, smart phones, cable tv, etc. For most people, it's not a question of being able to afford healthcare, it's a question of prioritization.

[Flylady]

Regardless of how much gutting happens with the ACA by the House and Congress, you can bet your premiums will continue to go up. This administration is pro big business and that includes insurance companies. With their taxes reduced and profits continuing to grow......do not expect them to lower your rates anytime soon. Why should they?

[Rattler]

Originally Posted by Major

I want our Federal Government to provide for things in which it is Constitutionally obligated to address. No more, no less. Healthcare is not a Constitutional Right. Let the free market decide. Encourage competition. If money needs to be provided to those who truly cannot afford healthcare, let the state and local governments worry about it.

I know many, many people who claim that they cannot afford healthcare. These same people have financed cars, smart phones, cable tv, etc. For most people, it's not a question of being able to afford healthcare, it's a question of prioritization.

I love posters who make sweeping statements like "most people prioritize cars, phones, etc. over healthcare spending" based upon data from "people they know." In fact I'm even more impressed with "many, many people." If we continue to base our voices and votes on data sampled from a few friends and acquaintances, nothing will ever improve.

[fatlazyless]

Have u heard the latest ..... with CVS joining forces with Aetna ..... you'll be able to get a very fast hip replacement down at your local CVS with fast, no waiting for an appointment, walk-in service.

And, how good is this; CVS will be doing cataract repair at their drive-thru window! On Sundays, you can get both cataract surgeries done for the price of one!

[MAXUM]

Country is to polarized to fix this, there are two opposing views to the whole HC debacle and quite frankly we do not have any politicians who will actually put their own party agenda aside and do what is best for the country.

Bottom line this whole HC experiment was a complete and utter failure of epic proportions.

Why anyone thinks the government can do healthcare right when history has shown time and time again they can't get anything right is beyond me. IF they were so bad at regulating it they had to take it over that says volumes...... not only proving their incompetence but proof that success in trying to run it was going to end in the disaster it is.

[noreast]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Country is to polarized to fix this, there are two opposing views to the whole HC debacle and quite frankly we do not have any politicians who will actually put their own party agenda aside and do what is best for the country.

Bottom line this whole HC experiment was a complete and utter failure of epic proportions.

Why anyone thinks the government can do healthcare right when history has shown time and time again they can't get anything right is beyond me. IF they were so bad at regulating it they had to take it over that says volumes...... not only proving their incompetence but proof that success in trying to run it was going to end in the disaster it is.

Exactly right! These politicians now are all political Pigs, The party and cash flow are far more important than the good of the country. Unfortunately some industries have proven that they can't be trusted with the free market system so we have to regulate the piss out of them, The problem is, the group that we put up to the task is even more compromised than the industry. We Have to break the 2 party system, both party's have lost all credibility. people fall in line like lemmings and think things will change.

[noreast]

APS has a great point as well, Illegal immigration has brought education and health care cost to it's knee's.

[ApS]

The architect of the ACA is quoted on YouTube, October 4th, 2013, as saying of the ACA "American voters are too stupid to understand". Two weeks later, to reinforce the first quote, he said, "Call it the stupidity of the American voter".

Today, anyone who shows up at an Emergency Room gets treated, and around 30 million more are "covered".

I liked it better when anyone who showed up at an Emergency Room got treated—and hospitals charged $15 for each aspirin.

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Have u heard the latest ..... with CVS joining forces with Aetna ..... you'll be able to get a very fast hip replacement down at your local CVS with fast, no waiting for an appointment, walk-in service. And, how good is this; CVS will be doing cataract repair at their drive-thru window! On Sundays, you can get both cataract surgeries done for the price of one!

There's Gold in them-thar Hills...!
(Hospitals are usually built on hills).

Insurance is supposed to save you when things go very wrong—not to allow-in 30 million more of the "undocumented/uninsured".

Years ago, I asked an attorney what he did for health insurance. He paid very reasonable premiums for a plan that paid for expenses that he couldn't handle. Day-to-day visits to the doctor, he paid out-of-pocket.

That's what "Insurance" should cover, IMHO.

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[Major]

Originally Posted by Rattler

I love posters who make sweeping statements like "most people prioritize cars, phones, etc. over healthcare spending" based upon data from "people they know." In fact I'm even more impressed with "many, many people." If we continue to base our voices and votes on data sampled from a few friends and acquaintances, nothing will ever improve.

No, I understood completely.