$248,395 new Gilford fire boat

The Real BigGuy · 04-02-2018, 07:08 AM

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joey2665 · 04-02-2018, 07:32 AM

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He must have a tremendous amount of free time on his hands....

Biggd · 04-02-2018, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by joey2665

He must have a tremendous amount of free time on his hands....

I think he just wants to make sure he always stays the #1 poster on this forum. Some people just like to be #1 at something. I don't know what other reason he would have for making meaningless posts.

joey2665 · 04-02-2018, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggd

I think he just wants to make sure he always stays the #1 poster on this forum. Some people just like to be #1 at something. I don't know what other reason he would have for making meaningless posts.

I sure you are correct. He blew past Rattlesnake Gal and just keeps spewing nonsense.

Biggd · 04-02-2018, 08:26 AM

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I sure you are correct. He blew past Rattlesnake Gal and just keeps spewing nonsense.

That's what I'm going to do when I retire. I'm going to troll this forum and run up my posts. I'll give him a run for the top spot. I live for that day. That's my dream retirement job! I will have to brush up on my computer skills though, as FLL has informed me in the past that I'm not at his level.

joey2665 · 04-02-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggd

That's what I'm going to do when I retire. I'm going to troll this forum and run up my posts. I'll give him a run for the top spot. I live for that day. That's my dream retirement job! I will have brush up on my computer skills though, as FLL has informed me in the past that I'm not at his level.

We will battle it out once we both retire.

Misty Blue · 04-04-2018, 10:09 AM

First, this post is about a fire boat for Gilford. Not who has the biggest "post" on the Forum.

250K sounds like a lot of money and it is. Let's do the math.

Over the 20 to 25 years that this piece of apparatus is going to be in service that comes to about 12K a year. Or about the price of four "Scott Pac" breathing units. Think about how much money we all spend yearly on our boats and it seems like small change.

I have worked with the Gilford FD on calls. Their current boat is not up to the job. Good folks, old boat. New one needed.

Think about the value of the properties on that shore. I think that what they pay in property taxes that they deserve the best fire protection available.

Thanks for your hard work Gilford FD.

Misty Blue

ishoot308 · 04-04-2018, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Misty Blue

First, this post is about a fire boat for Gilford. Not who has the biggest "post" on the Forum.

250K sounds like a lot of money and it is. Let's do the math.

Over the 20 to 25 years that this piece of apparatus is going to be in service that comes to about 12K a year. Or about the price of four "Scott Pac" breathing units. Think about how much money we all spend yearly on our boats and it seems like small change.

I have worked with the Gilford FD on calls. Their current boat is not up to the job. Good folks, old boat. New one needed.

Think about the value of the properties on that shore. I think that what they pay in property taxes that they deserve the best fire protection available.

Thanks for your hard work Gilford FD.

Misty Blue

Excellent post MB! I couldn't agree more! I am certainly glad the town of Gilford cares enough about its shoreline and island home tax payers to ensure we have the proper safety equipment needed.

I would like to point out that this was not all a taxpayer burden. Some islanders and shoreline home owners made personal donations to help with cost.

Dan

lakershaker · 04-04-2018, 12:54 PM

It's hard to compare items like a municipal fire boat to a consumer purchase. As other posters have stated, these are long-life assets that are here for public service. The whole point of a local fire department is to provide a service you wouldn't be able to cost justify individually. Keep in mind, a standard ambulance costs about $150,000.

As far as I'm concerned, I wish the towns actually spent more on fire boat protection. As an islander in Alton, this is really the only service I can ever envision needing my significant property taxes used for. On Rattlesnake, I'd love to have a bigger boat with better capacity than what we usually see on the lake. In Alton, we have a 1997 Eastern, with portable fire pumps. Travel time with the small engines from the bandstand to the island takes awhile... Compare that to the new 33' SAFE boat in Bridgeport CT. Holds 22 people, has 900 HP, and a 2000 GPM pump! Only downside is cost was $700,000! (paid for with a Federal grant) But I for one am happy that Gilford has upgraded to something similar to what Wolfeboro has.

Descant · 04-04-2018, 01:17 PM

I'd bet, if the Alton Fire Boat is stored at the south end of th bay, the Wolfeboro and Gilford boats can get to Rattlesnake in shorter time, depending on which part o the island needs help. Maybe Alto should look for a better dock location?

lakershaker · 04-04-2018, 01:23 PM

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I'd bet, if the Alton Fire Boat is stored at the south end of th bay, the Wolfeboro and Gilford boats can get to Rattlesnake in shorter time, depending on which part o the island needs help. Maybe Alto should look for a better dock location?

Yes, actually in the summer we'll see three boats sometimes respond to a call, and Wolfeboro gets there before Alton, and around the same time as Gilford. The Alton FD seems very opposed to keeping the boat anywhere other than the bandstand. A few years ago they tested a response time coming out of Minge, and said it was nearly the same as response from the bay given the longer drive from the main station. However, that test had the boat observe the entire Minge Cover no wake zone! In an emergency response, I would hope they would turn on the lights and make up the time like we see in the Weirs Channel in times of emergency. But for whatever reason, this is a non-starter with Fire management.

Slickcraft · 05-01-2019, 08:39 AM

In the water; training and final fitting going on.

DickR · 05-01-2019, 09:34 AM

I'm curious as to how a fireboat holds position when a water cannon is throwing a massive stream of water a hundred feet or more onto a fire. That's a rather large force trying to move the boat directly away from the fire. Presumably the boat's engines can be used to counter that force, but precise control would be difficult, particularly as the cannon's operator moves the water stream laterally. Does anyone here know?

A related question, likely not practical in nature, would be whether the trip from dock to fire could be shortened by aiming the water cannon to the rear (and over the crew!) and pumping water full blast.

04-04-2018, 10:09 AM	#7
Misty Blue Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 658 Thanks: 121 Thanked 283 Times in 98 Posts	Fire Boat First, this post is about a fire boat for Gilford. Not who has the biggest "post" on the Forum. 250K sounds like a lot of money and it is. Let's do the math. Over the 20 to 25 years that this piece of apparatus is going to be in service that comes to about 12K a year. Or about the price of four "Scott Pac" breathing units. Think about how much money we all spend yearly on our boats and it seems like small change. I have worked with the Gilford FD on calls. Their current boat is not up to the job. Good folks, old boat. New one needed. Think about the value of the properties on that shore. I think that what they pay in property taxes that they deserve the best fire protection available. Thanks for your hard work Gilford FD. Misty Blue

04-04-2018, 12:54 PM	#9
lakershaker Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rattlesnake Isl. - Simsbury, CT Posts: 274 Thanks: 91 Thanked 46 Times in 28 Posts	It's hard to compare items like a municipal fire boat to a consumer purchase. As other posters have stated, these are long-life assets that are here for public service. The whole point of a local fire department is to provide a service you wouldn't be able to cost justify individually. Keep in mind, a standard ambulance costs about $150,000. As far as I'm concerned, I wish the towns actually spent more on fire boat protection. As an islander in Alton, this is really the only service I can ever envision needing my significant property taxes used for. On Rattlesnake, I'd love to have a bigger boat with better capacity than what we usually see on the lake. In Alton, we have a 1997 Eastern, with portable fire pumps. Travel time with the small engines from the bandstand to the island takes awhile... Compare that to the new 33' SAFE boat in Bridgeport CT. Holds 22 people, has 900 HP, and a 2000 GPM pump! Only downside is cost was $700,000! (paid for with a Federal grant) But I for one am happy that Gilford has upgraded to something similar to what Wolfeboro has. Attached Images

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Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and The Taylor Community Posts: 3,299 Thanks: 1,222 Thanked 2,082 Times in 954 Posts	In the water; training and final fitting going on. Attached Images

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04-04-2018, 01:17 PM	#10
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,354 Thanks: 1,342 Thanked 1,623 Times in 1,055 Posts	I'd bet, if the Alton Fire Boat is stored at the south end of th bay, the Wolfeboro and Gilford boats can get to Rattlesnake in shorter time, depending on which part o the island needs help. Maybe Alto should look for a better dock location?

05-01-2019, 09:34 AM	#13
DickR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 750 Thanks: 4 Thanked 259 Times in 171 Posts	I'm curious as to how a fireboat holds position when a water cannon is throwing a massive stream of water a hundred feet or more onto a fire. That's a rather large force trying to move the boat directly away from the fire. Presumably the boat's engines can be used to counter that force, but precise control would be difficult, particularly as the cannon's operator moves the water stream laterally. Does anyone here know? A related question, likely not practical in nature, would be whether the trip from dock to fire could be shortened by aiming the water cannon to the rear (and over the crew!) and pumping water full blast.