The Dive?

Woodsy · 05-14-2018, 03:03 PM

The answer is in the math.... but I would not be too worried about how seaworthy the Dive will be.... There are lots calcs to be made for sure, all of them involving the CG of the barge. No occupancy permits will be issued if the Coasties & MP don't sign off....

My guess is, the barge is/will be properly ballasted for a worse case scenario. IMHO that would be max capacity of people all rushing to one side. In other words a complete load shift/failure. Ballasted properly... nothing bad will happen.

Wind & waves are probably no issue either.... certainly, waves will have 0 effect on a properly ballasted barge on Winni. The wind will be an issue for the tugboat (for lack of a better term) that has to push/maneuver the barge around. But if they go early morning before the wind picks up and and come back after sunset when the wind dies down, I doubt they will have an issue.

Cheers to them for trying something new!

Woodsy

Outdoorsman · 05-14-2018, 03:15 PM

I look forward to reading this thread in September.

webmaster · 05-14-2018, 03:17 PM

Like others, I have lots of concerns and questions about this. I'm not an expert but when a ship is built for the ocean it has to pass a series of sea trials to verify its seaworthiness and ability to right itself in severe conditions. Wouldn't this commercial vessel that carries passengers have to have similar testing and certification to carry passengers?

I also have many questions about how the licensing would work as they pass in and out of the towns around the lake, especially if they sold liquor.

Also, the wood construction seems odd. It looks like they are building a condo. Not a ship.

It certainly will be interesting.

Outdoorsman · 05-14-2018, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by webmaster

Like others, I have lots of concerns and questions about this. I'm not an expert but when a ship is built for the ocean it has to pass a series of sea trials to verify its seaworthiness and ability to right itself in severe conditions. Wouldn't this commercial vessel that carries passengers have to have similar testing and certification to carry passengers?

I also have many questions about how the licensing would work as they pass in and out of the towns around the lake, especially if they sold liquor.

Also, the wood construction seems odd. It looks like they are building a condo. Not a ship.

It certainly will be interesting.

Wouldn't the licensing be at the same standards as the Mount? If so, it is not new territory for the state to be issuing any licenses for this vessel, be it food, liquor or "noise". Just wondering.

ishoot308 · 05-14-2018, 03:34 PM

If you think about it, West Alton marina is the perfect place for “The Dive”! Considering they have no food or drink facilities at West Alton, this would fit the bill just perfect for all the people who Slip their boats to grab lunch, a cold beer and whatever else. If the weather is bad the Dive simply stays in at that sheltered Cove and sells food and drink to all the slipped boaters and those boats that want to stop by. Maybe they will even allow vehicles by road to go to West Alton for food and drink on the Dive. Maybe, just maybe, West Alton Marina owns the Dive and this is part of their expansion! This is all just conjecture on my part of course!

It will be interesting to say the least !

Dan

TiltonBB · 05-14-2018, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by webmaster

Like others, I have lots of concerns and questions about this. I'm not an expert but when a ship is built for the ocean it has to pass a series of sea trials to verify its seaworthiness and ability to right itself in severe conditions. Wouldn't this commercial vessel that carries passengers have to have similar testing and certification to carry passengers?

I also have many questions about how the licensing would work as they pass in and out of the towns around the lake, especially if they sold liquor.

Also, the wood construction seems odd. It looks like they are building a condo. Not a ship.

It certainly will be interesting.

There are inspections of every commercial operation and vessel on the lake, every summer, prior to the start of the season. Just like the Mount Washington each "for hire" vessel must pass an inspection that covers a number of issues to insure that it is safe.

Even the jet ski rental rental operators must have all of their jet skis inspected and approved by the Marine Patrol prior to renting them out.

When you think of all of the rental boats and jet skis on the lake it takes a substantial amount of time for the Marine Patrol to visit and inspect each one. And that is before all of the summer help arrives.

ursa minor · 05-14-2018, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsy

The answer is in the math.... but I would not be too worried about how seaworthy the Dive will be.... There are lots calcs to be made for sure, all of them involving the CG of the barge. No occupancy permits will be issued if the Coasties & MP don't sign off....

Woodsy

Yes to all of this plus a lot of other things. I'm pretty sure they'll need to have a sanitary tank, fresh water, a house generator / fuel storage for power, fuel for the propulsion engines, etc. You would want to get as many of those things as possible down into the hull to help get GC down as far as possible. There's no way this will be allowed to carry paying customers until a lot of state and federal inspections occur. I'm sure the insurance people will have a lot of input as well.

There are some impressive dollar signs adding up on this, hopefully they can make a go of it on 8-10 busy summer weekends. I'm glad there are entrepreneurs out there though, I'd just way over think the whole thing and never try it. I sure hope they picked the right naval architect though...

MAXUM · 05-14-2018, 10:52 PM

2) We have a first-of-its-kind boat drive through window (aka the Dive Thru). Customers can order food ahead on our mobile app or through our website - and they will receive a text when they can come to the window to get their order. No need to anchor or find dock space!

Taking bets on how long it will be before somebody t-bones that thing pulling up to the "dive thru"?

Hillcountry · 05-14-2018, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

2) We have a first-of-its-kind boat drive through window (aka the Dive Thru). Customers can order food ahead on our mobile app or through our website - and they will receive a text when they can come to the window to get their order. No need to anchor or find dock space!

Taking bets on how long it will be before somebody t-bones that thing pulling up to the "dive thru"?

Lol 2 words come to mind...fuster cluck.

Dave R · 05-17-2018, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

Taking bets on how long it will be before somebody t-bones that thing pulling up to the "dive thru"?

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Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Lol 2 words come to mind...fuster cluck.

I'm confused, why would it be any more challenging than approaching a wide-open dock? I've seen some poor docking performances (my own included), but I have yet to see anyone t-bone one.

Parker · 05-20-2018, 11:14 AM

I am all in on this idea. Such a cool concept

Phantom · 05-29-2018, 07:06 AM

Still has some work to do from what we saw …………….. pic's from Saturday

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Rich · 05-29-2018, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Phantom

Still has some work to do from what we saw …………….. pic's from Saturday

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Thanks for the photos.

Maybe it's just me, but in the spirit of armchair reviews, if I was designing something like that with twin engines, I would have them placed as far apart as possible to help with control of the boat.

I'm looking forward to seeing it on the water, and will plan on stopping by.

Phantom · 05-29-2018, 09:04 AM

The one thing we took note of immediately is IF ( and no one knows for sure yet) WAM is it's home base -- watch out when the Dive heads in/out of the Smalls Cove channel ………………..

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The Real BigGuy · 05-29-2018, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

Thanks for the photos.

Maybe it's just me, but in the spirit of armchair reviews, if I was designing something like that with twin engines, I would have them placed as far apart as possible to help with control of the boat.

I'm looking forward to seeing it on the water, and will plan on stopping by.

I had the same thought!

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chasedawg · 05-29-2018, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

Thanks for the photos.

Maybe it's just me, but in the spirit of armchair reviews, if I was designing something like that with twin engines, I would have them placed as far apart as possible to help with control of the boat.

I'm looking forward to seeing it on the water, and will plan on stopping by.

Agree! It would be much better for control. With this engine spacing and the high freeboard it will be difficult to adjust pivoting 180 degrees or in any tight spacing. I just don't see a barge like this will do well in any waters. I drove the Winnie Bell and it has two I/O's and control was very difficult.

Phantom · 05-30-2018, 07:42 AM

Although odd sounding, to me -it looked like the engines were mounted on the same bracket which appeared to have the ability to raise & lower.

Again, we did not get in close to her (and I may be wrong on the above) but could this be a reason for the close spacing ……………… although I cannot conceive of why they would want this function- unless they expect to be underway with a "Heavy" load and need to adjust the propulsion ??

We are in & out of WAM and weather permitting will take a closer look this coming weekend.

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Merrymeeting · 05-30-2018, 09:29 AM

I would not want to try and pilot this thing on a windy day! Between the shortness of the season, and the number of days when the wind is blowing down the lake, it will be interesting to see how many useful days they get out of this thing.

strum · 05-30-2018, 11:13 AM

My first post!?!? After a long time lurking. I like the novelty of this idea being on the lake. Just another option when out on the lake to have fun and do something different. After reading the info. on their web. It seems the Captain Jamison has a ton of experience on the water as a Captain as well as with barges. I would think with all that experience he must have some knowledge when building his own barge from scratch what he needs to pilot the barge on this specific lake. So I give him the benefit of doubt until I see him going sideways out in the broads.

ApS · 05-29-2018, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Parker

I am all in on this idea. Such a cool concept

"Dive" is a good name, but if I'd opened a bar, I'd name it "Night School".

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See ya' later, honey, I'm going to Night School.

Hillcountry · 06-19-2018, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave R

I'm confused, why would it be any more challenging than approaching a wide-open dock? I've seen some poor docking performances (my own included), but I have yet to see anyone t-bone one.

I picture multiple boats trying to get into one spot for pickup...

05-14-2018, 03:03 PM	#1
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,968 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	The answer is in the math.... but I would not be too worried about how seaworthy the Dive will be.... There are lots calcs to be made for sure, all of them involving the CG of the barge. No occupancy permits will be issued if the Coasties & MP don't sign off.... My guess is, the barge is/will be properly ballasted for a worse case scenario. IMHO that would be max capacity of people all rushing to one side. In other words a complete load shift/failure. Ballasted properly... nothing bad will happen. Wind & waves are probably no issue either.... certainly, waves will have 0 effect on a properly ballasted barge on Winni. The wind will be an issue for the tugboat (for lack of a better term) that has to push/maneuver the barge around. But if they go early morning before the wind picks up and and come back after sunset when the wind dies down, I doubt they will have an issue. Cheers to them for trying something new! Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

05-14-2018, 03:34 PM	#5
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 6,367 Thanks: 2,422 Thanked 5,349 Times in 2,093 Posts	West Alton If you think about it, West Alton marina is the perfect place for “The Dive”! Considering they have no food or drink facilities at West Alton, this would fit the bill just perfect for all the people who Slip their boats to grab lunch, a cold beer and whatever else. If the weather is bad the Dive simply stays in at that sheltered Cove and sells food and drink to all the slipped boaters and those boats that want to stop by. Maybe they will even allow vehicles by road to go to West Alton for food and drink on the Dive. Maybe, just maybe, West Alton Marina owns the Dive and this is part of their expansion! This is all just conjecture on my part of course! It will be interesting to say the least ! Dan __________________ It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!! Last edited by ishoot308; 05-14-2018 at 05:48 PM.

05-29-2018, 07:06 AM	#12
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	Still has some work to do from what we saw …………….. pic's from Saturday . Attached Images __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

05-29-2018, 09:04 AM	#14
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	The one thing we took note of immediately is IF ( and no one knows for sure yet) WAM is it's home base -- watch out when the Dive heads in/out of the Smalls Cove channel ……………….. . __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

05-30-2018, 07:42 AM	#17
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	Although odd sounding, to me -it looked like the engines were mounted on the same bracket which appeared to have the ability to raise & lower. Again, we did not get in close to her (and I may be wrong on the above) but could this be a reason for the close spacing ……………… although I cannot conceive of why they would want this function- unless they expect to be underway with a "Heavy" load and need to adjust the propulsion ?? We are in & out of WAM and weather permitting will take a closer look this coming weekend. . Attached Images __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

05-14-2018, 03:15 PM	#2
Outdoorsman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 840 Thanks: 117 Thanked 211 Times in 133 Posts	I look forward to reading this thread in September.

05-14-2018, 03:17 PM	#3
webmaster Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,476 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 463 Thanked 3,985 Times in 854 Posts	Like others, I have lots of concerns and questions about this. I'm not an expert but when a ship is built for the ocean it has to pass a series of sea trials to verify its seaworthiness and ability to right itself in severe conditions. Wouldn't this commercial vessel that carries passengers have to have similar testing and certification to carry passengers? I also have many questions about how the licensing would work as they pass in and out of the towns around the lake, especially if they sold liquor. Also, the wood construction seems odd. It looks like they are building a condo. Not a ship. It certainly will be interesting.

05-14-2018, 10:52 PM	#8
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 246 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	2) We have a first-of-its-kind boat drive through window (aka the Dive Thru). Customers can order food ahead on our mobile app or through our website - and they will receive a text when they can come to the window to get their order. No need to anchor or find dock space! Taking bets on how long it will be before somebody t-bones that thing pulling up to the "dive thru"?

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05-20-2018, 11:14 AM	#11
Parker Junior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 3 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am all in on this idea. Such a cool concept

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05-30-2018, 09:29 AM	#18
Merrymeeting Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Merrymeeting Lake, New Durham Posts: 2,228 Thanks: 305 Thanked 802 Times in 369 Posts	I would not want to try and pilot this thing on a windy day! Between the shortness of the season, and the number of days when the wind is blowing down the lake, it will be interesting to see how many useful days they get out of this thing.

05-30-2018, 11:13 AM	#19
strum Member Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 22 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Benefit of Doubt My first post!?!? After a long time lurking. I like the novelty of this idea being on the lake. Just another option when out on the lake to have fun and do something different. After reading the info. on their web. It seems the Captain Jamison has a ton of experience on the water as a Captain as well as with barges. I would think with all that experience he must have some knowledge when building his own barge from scratch what he needs to pilot the barge on this specific lake. So I give him the benefit of doubt until I see him going sideways out in the broads.