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You bring up a good point. I wonder if they will be able to anchor in, say Merideth Bay, and do business. Bet that would tick off the restaurants and I cream parlors. I also wonder if they will be able run a launch to move people back and forth from town docks.
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That would be bloody PERFECT !
Drop the wife off at the town docks (where you can never get a slip anyway) let her go shopping while I mozy over to the Dive ! ![]() ![]() ![]() Priceless .
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I would imagine the "owners" have already considered all of these factors and likely have vetted the permitting process prior to spending $100's of thousands of dollars building it. With all of the chatter on this site about finding places to eat near various docks, I am surprised at the responses to this thread that are less than favorable. |
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If they anchor in a "No Rafting" area can you pull up to it and tie up while they cook your burger?
Can you order by phone and do a "touch and go" in a No Rafting zone when your food is ready? Just askin' |
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Its not a raft if you are the only boat tied to "The Dive". A raft is 3 or more boats tied together.
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None of us have a clue but it's still fun to speculate. Some if it might even turn out to be correct.
![]() I have to think they will sort of follow the food truck model. Announce on twitter they will be here, here and here at these times. They are not making money while driving around and since they will need to sort of keep to a schedule flagging them down for a burger mid lake seems unlikely; they would never get where they are going otherwise. |
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Seeing Winnipesaukee's construction barges operating every day, I've noticed they don't go out in heavy wind conditions. (Having witnessed a microburst while holding my boat in knee-deep, but sheltered, water—neither do I ![]() By contrast, the Winnipesaukee Belle has a flat bottom, but isn't a design like The Dive. (It doesn't power its side-paddles, as they're ornamentation). I've never seen it navigate in a straight line, as it is subject to random yawing. .
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I am all in on this idea. Such a cool concept
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Still has some work to do from what we saw …………….. pic's from Saturday
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"Dive" is a good name, but if I'd opened a bar, I'd name it "Night School".
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Maybe it's just me, but in the spirit of armchair reviews, if I was designing something like that with twin engines, I would have them placed as far apart as possible to help with control of the boat. I'm looking forward to seeing it on the water, and will plan on stopping by.
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The one thing we took note of immediately is IF ( and no one knows for sure yet) WAM is it's home base -- watch out when the Dive heads in/out of the Smalls Cove channel ………………..
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Agree! It would be much better for control. With this engine spacing and the high freeboard it will be difficult to adjust pivoting 180 degrees or in any tight spacing. I just don't see a barge like this will do well in any waters. I drove the Winnie Bell and it has two I/O's and control was very difficult. |
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Although odd sounding, to me -it looked like the engines were mounted on the same bracket which appeared to have the ability to raise & lower.
Again, we did not get in close to her (and I may be wrong on the above) but could this be a reason for the close spacing ……………… although I cannot conceive of why they would want this function- unless they expect to be underway with a "Heavy" load and need to adjust the propulsion ?? We are in & out of WAM and weather permitting will take a closer look this coming weekend. .
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I would not want to try and pilot this thing on a windy day! Between the shortness of the season, and the number of days when the wind is blowing down the lake, it will be interesting to see how many useful days they get out of this thing.
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My first post!?!? After a long time lurking. I like the novelty of this idea being on the lake. Just another option when out on the lake to have fun and do something different. After reading the info. on their web. It seems the Captain Jamison has a ton of experience on the water as a Captain as well as with barges. I would think with all that experience he must have some knowledge when building his own barge from scratch what he needs to pilot the barge on this specific lake. So I give him the benefit of doubt until I see him going sideways out in the broads.
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Diversified Marine’s barge has a similar setup. Dave Farley maneuvers it like a sports car.
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Unfortunately it looks like they won't be launching imminently. Their Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/thedivelakewinni/) shows a video from two weeks ago which makes it look like they have a lot to do.
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I agree, if they were just welding the stairs two week ago I would say a minimum of August 1st if they get moving.
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Something like this needs to be able to do its "shakedown cruise" by May 1st to be fully operational to capture the seasonal revenue, IMO.
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I get the impression from their website that they have a chef lined up and for larger events they have a group of caterers/vendors lined up. Many DJ's and Bands are available, so there isn't a lot of training/hiring needed as I see it. The business issue is working capital from Columbus Day to My 1, 2019 when there may be no revenue. It is possible, depending on home port, to heat the interior spaces and operate without actually cruising. If they have AC, they probably have heat, yes?
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I was at WAM over the weekend and took a morning stroll with my daughter around the property. We meandered over to see the progress at The Dive and I was surprised at the considerable amount of work still to be completed.
Even with my curiosity meter pegging at 12, we did not board the vessel however I'd estimate there is a solid month's worth of work for a crew of 8+. While this establishment isn't necessarily up my alley, I hope the owners at least get their maiden voyage in this season. |
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This looks like its on track to be the fanciest bob house on the lake. Anchor over a winter hotspot, let it freeze in place, drill a series of 6" to 8" holes & rent jiggin poles. Serve hot chocolate....
I am speeding up my 3 year estimate of its sale to a shorefront restaurant to that happening within a year.
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Bottom line is pulling off a venture like this is no small task. There is heart and soul being put into this venture I am sure. But heart and soul don't by much in the business world. I hope that these people are able to succeed. I think it would be a neat business on the lake.... Although not to this scale, we have seen similar businesses tried to take advantage of the Party spots, by providing food over the years. This venture will show if scale was the issue in the past, or if there just isn't a workable model that will succeed. Now I don't mean to imply past attempts have failed financially. What I am implying is that past attempts have not been successful enough to warrant continued service.
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I think the solid money is in weddings and events, not selling hot dogs on sand bars. If they get out on the water in 2018 with a few ticketed events, bands etc. they will book big events for 2019 and be very successful. In the meantime, as mentioned above, if there is a homeport where they can just be a dockside night club in the fall, there can be some good cash flow and add to interest for 2019 event bookings. Tied to the right dock for Bike Week 2019 could be a great money maker, if they aren't already wedding/event booked. I see a lot of options here just because people want some thing unique.
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Am I the only one who looks at that and has visions of it capsized with a load of people in it? I'm wondering if stability tests are required for it?
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Its built on barge... similar to the Winni Belle. I am sure before it gets a permit to operate the MP will do a shakedown cruise and inspection. Just like they do on the Mount and the Belle every year.
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What surprises me most is that the new owners have been totally "mute" on the forum ………. a great platform for them to address these "speculations", update their progress & intents, etc., etc...………..
Surprises me that they are (apparently) oblivious to a great marketing opportunity or simply choose not to participate - which is a shame unto itself ! Just an observation -- not a criticism or judgement .
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As we know this forum can be a double edged sword so maybe they have decided to opt out to avoid criticism and skeptics before they are even up and running. As with any business on the lake a truly hope they succeed.
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Someone else mention safety concerns with capsizing. As Woody pointed out they will have to go through inspection I am sure, just like other commercial vessels on the lake. I don't know what this entails on an inland waterway like winnipesaukee. But on lake Champlain under Coast Guard jurisdiction it was an undertaking, including the boats having to come out of the water every so many years....... Having been build upon a barge, and presumably with adjustable ballast, I would have to believe that it will be fairly stable..... As with anything... there are many what ifs.... What if the vessel looses steerage... whoops the mount did that and almost took out a boat house in Center Harbor... Whoops lake is low and the mail boat got suck on a rock.... Come on folks, this business is going to be insured... the insurance company is going to dictate safety standards to maintain coverage, and presumably there will be some kind of business loan, and the bank will not let the company operate with out insurance... There may be days where she can't leave port because the Captain will not believe it is safe to do so... But I believe we should give these people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to safety of the vessel, until proven otherwise.... The could have thrown something together and been out on the water by now.... instead they appear to be doing everything right, hoping for a successful launch....
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Well said! For some reason, every time somebody comes up with an idea we all assume they haven’t done their due diligence and start pointing out potential problems/errors/loopholes. We search for the negative. (I’m guilty as charged). We need to give them a chance to provide a product/service we can evaluate then provide an analysis based on experience.
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I wonder if the top deck will be high enough to parachute off of?
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I have been looking at the pictures, thinking a nice water slide from the top deck along the side would be cool.
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Or better yet,Naked jumping from the top like the Willy T in the BVI's.
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Looks like she has her keepsemfromfloppin in her hand.
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I think the owner is a SCUBA diver. Also striking some irony between a dive type bar and what I expect will be very upscale.
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Also experienced Willy T. 1st time in 2006 and it was wild! Fun too! Our whole crew took the naked plunge. Next time 2009 was a different story. Was not very busy and no jumping from the upper deck. Story I heard someone was seriously injured. Next experience 2013. Much busier but not nearly as much fun, very toned down, there was some jumping from upper deck again but was never the same as the 1st experience.
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Anybody know where it will call its home base? I assume it has to be docked somewhere and call it home. Will it take on passengers at its home location? Will there be parking for groups?
if it has a wedding or a party in Gilford or Laconia will it be able to dock at the Glendale docks or Wiers for 1/2 hour to pick up the group? Where will members of the group park? Will it require town or state permission as a commercial vessel to retrieve passengers from Glendale, Weirs, Meredith docks? When it does not have a charter will it be at Braun or another popular gathering spot for the entire day or ride from spot to spot? May take a while to get from one spot to another. While it will sell alcohol I believe the laws require the beverages to be consumed on the premises. While the novelty is great, how many times will people spend $10+for a drink before just staying in their own boat at the sandbar and mixing their own much cheaper cocktail? Not trying to be negative but this has been tried before and the above were not ironed out beforehand. Hopefully it does wel! |
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Haven't seen it and if it's not out now it never will be. Crazy busy on the lake the last two days...
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Loons, rumbling boat motors, kids shrieking as they enjoy the water . . . all of those are enjoyable sounds. TVs and loud music would totally ruin the ambiance of the lake for me if I lived either on shore or on an island close to where the Dive could be anchored. Comparisons were made to the Winnipesaukee Belle, but when the Belle cruises by, the lights and music are fleeting. That makes it fun to see - maybe not so if someone were subjected to it for hours. Hope all of the pros and cons have been considered . . .
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I think, perhaps, besides making all the permit requirements, the driving factor is pursuance of the almighty dollar...noise pollution is probably low on the consideration list...
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... a damned good burger. A bacon cheeseburger & fries for $18.25 including tax? Drink NOT included. There is just no way people will pay that twice. Maybe once, maybe.
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I think you're underestimating the amount of $$$ on the lake these days. If you look at it as $13 for the burger and fries and $5 for the convenience fee to have them bring it to you by boat it's actually not all that bad.
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We went out for burgers a few weeks ago in N Conway. 3 burgers fries and a drink was over $60 bucks and there was no waiter or waitress. We ordered at the counter and waited.
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..... probably cost maybe $400 to get the 2018 boat registration sticker from the NH-MP for this motorized vessel, aka a boat, so the money has to come from somewhere to offset the expenses ..... as long as it's a business and not just someone's hobby boat?
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I'm assuming the $18 burger comes with a $5 bill.
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Food is expensive everywhere in the Lakes Region..."pay up sucker"
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I think it is more that they are pointing out there are more competitively prices options
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My point is, $18 is a drop in the bucket when comparing other costs associated with going to and being out on the water, food included.
It costs at least 3x that at any given marina to launch a boat and park the truck Sat and Sun...no reach around. $60 or more just to get into the pool. At least with 18 bucks in burgers and fries, I have a full belly and..........and............and now I'm hungry! |
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I think people will pay as long as they don't walk away hungry, and the food has to be decent, or they won't be back. How have movie theaters been getting away with outrageous prices all these years...?
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I'm sure they've done the marketing research, I wonder what the percent of boaters on the lake they feel will be their customers. I could be wrong but I don't think it's the wealthy that hit the sand bars in a high percent. The problem may be that perception is reality, if there is a problem that is, A large percent of boaters may think it's a crazy price. I would think they will make the money on alcohol and large group rentals or cruises. I'm very interested to see how it goes. Wish them the best.
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I am betting the number of posters to this thread that actually pay $18.25 for a bacon cheez burger & fries from the Dive is less than 1.
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About time we get a little excitement on the lake.
Prices seem what you would expect . Perfect menu for the water Hope they have a great sound system |
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Here is a photo posted today on their Facebook Page:
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It looks beautiful. Congratulations!
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I heard that they are going out for a test ride today. Just waiting for the NH food inspection.
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Looks very nice, and the dive logo/marketing scheme is cute.
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From what I know, adult beverages are not sold from a take-out window anywhere in New Hampshire.
Will be interesting to see if adult beverages are sold from the Dive's drive by, take-out, starboard side? On the starboard side, it may always be 'five o'clock', but the smart money says the starboard take-out will not be including adult beverages. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Considering that none of the 80 NH state liquor stores have drive up windows, is it legal in NH to sell or dispense beer, wine or alcoholic beverages through a drive up, take-out window, or for boats pulling up along side a barge like this proposed new 'Dive' business?
Alcoholic beverage laws are probably complex ....... is there an alcoholic attorney on board here? ![]() ![]() ![]() Like, what could possibly be better than pulling up to the drive-thru on your jetski, and leaving with a Red Bull & vodka, without having to get off your jetski ....... talk about a power up?
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When are the burgers and fries coming?
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I wish them success! It looks like a lot of fun.
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