Operation Dry Water

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by TheVoiceOfReason

Probably both a bit unnecessary and a bit of hyperbole to compare the MP to the Gestapo.

Of course it's hyperbole, I just used the word Gestapo for emphasis of the overwhelming presence of not just Marine Patrol, I include State Police, Fish & Game, Sheriffs Dept, and just about ALL of the local Police Departments in NH. IMHO ALL are over staffed, and overbearing in this state. I support law enforcement (to a point), but when they can board your boat for any reason, stop your commercial truck for any reason, tell you to "open your hood" (on a snowmobile) for any reason, all for the "sake of safety", I think that is out of control in a state with the greatest motto of all the states in the country!! I don't agree that they should be able to do ANY of it without JUST CAUSE. Not to mention the tax burden on top of it all... One of my all time favorite quotes: WHEN A SOCIETY IS WILLING TO SACRIFICE LIBERTIES FOR THE SAKE OF SAFETY, IT WILL LOSE BOTH, AND DESERVE NEITHER. Benjamin Franklin

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Not just Marine Patrol, I include State Police, Fish & Game, Sheriffs Dept, and just about ALL of the local Police Departments in NH. IMHO ALL are over staffed, and overbearing in this state. I support law enforcement (to a point), but when they can board your boat for any reason, stop your commercial truck for any reason, tell you to "open your hood" (on a snowmobile) for any reason, all for the "sake of safety", I think that is out of control in a state with the greatest motto of all the states in the country!! I don't agree that they should be able to do ANY of it without JUST CAUSE. Not to mention the tax burden on top of it all... One of my all time favorite quotes: WHEN A SOCIETY IS WILLING TO SACRIFICE LIBERTIES FOR THE SAKE OF SAFETY, IT WILL LOSE BOTH, AND DESERVE NEITHER. Benjamin Franklin

... someone needs a nap.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

One of my all time favorite quotes: WHEN A SOCIETY IS WILLING TO SACRIFICE LIBERTIES FOR THE SAKE OF SAFETY, IT WILL LOSE BOTH, AND DESERVE NEITHER. Benjamin Franklin

You sure did butcher what Ben Franklin actually said and meant.
Get back to us when you do a little research about his real quote.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Rusty

You sure did butcher what Ben Franklin actually said and meant.
Get back to us when you do a little research about his real quote.

I guess it all depends on what web site you looked it up. What's your version, rusty?

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Rusty

You sure did butcher what Ben Franklin actually said and meant.
Get back to us when you do a little research about his real quote.

Hey rusty, I'm still waiting for your version of "the real quote" that you said I butchered. Your silence is deafening... Are you a history teacher in our public school system spewing propaganda to our young unsuspecting minds? It doesn't work on adults that know better...

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Hey rusty, I'm still waiting for your version of "the real quote" that you said I butchered. Your silence is deafening... Are you a history teacher in our public school system spewing propaganda to our young unsuspecting minds? It doesn't work on adults that know better...

Here is the quote I believe you are referencing: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

Franklin wrote this in 1755 - and the context of the letter is much more about taxes than liberty. It started being taken out of context about 50 years ago, give or take, and now is often used in a manner different than Franklin’s original use.

Not looking for a debate, just offering up some information.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Here is the quote I believe you are referencing: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

Franklin wrote this in 1755 - and the context of the letter is much more about taxes than liberty. It started being taken out of context about 50 years ago, give or take, and now is often used in a manner different than Franklin’s original use.

Not looking for a debate, just offering up some information.

Correct Thank You.


https://www.fi.edu/benjamin-franklin...lin-never-said

Number 7 applies to this thread.

[Top-Water]

For reference here is the origin of this "Operation Dry Water"

https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/...-dry-water.pdf

Then WMUR ran one of there Human Interest BS stories about it. I mention BS because there should not be a special weekend where they enforce the laws that are already on the books, because of a press release. BS twice because they mention increased enforcement across the states waterways. Fished most of the day last Saturday June 30 on Winnisquam, then spent the last half of the day at the Winnisquam sand bar ( myself - stone cold sober all day, most of the other folks ****faced). During the daylight hours the Marine Patrol Boat never moved off of its docking space. I'm not trying put down the Marine Patrol, but I hate the BS story.

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Correct Thank You.


https://www.fi.edu/benjamin-franklin...lin-never-said

Number 7 applies to this thread.

Cal Coon - see above. Not a response from Rusty (which I think you deserve - to paraphrase my father, Don’t tell me what’s wrong, tell me what’s right.) but it does put Franklin in context. However, one of the great things about quotes is we can use them any way we want because we generally have no idea what their original context was.


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[Rusty]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Cal Coon - see above. Not a response from Rusty (which I think you deserve - to paraphrase my father, Don’t tell me what’s wrong, tell me what’s right.) but it does put Franklin in context. However, one of the great things about quotes is we can use them any way we want because we generally have no idea what their original context was.


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The only reason some people want a response is to continue the back & forth bickering.
I'm not going to do that.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Hey rusty, I'm still waiting for your version of "the real quote" that you said I butchered. Your silence is deafening... Are you a history teacher in our public school system spewing propaganda to our young unsuspecting minds? It doesn't work on adults that know better...

I posted a link above with info to set you straight. It expands on Garcia's summary.

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[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I posted a link above with info to set you straight. It expands on Garcia's summary.

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The link you posted is pretty much just what I said. Just talking semantics. That's why I asked rusty to explain how I "butchered" it because I knew rusty's post was completely false, and I just wanted to see if he was capable of admitting he was wrong, like I did in another post when I regretted using the word Gestapo. I have no problem "taking my medicine" when I am wrong about something...

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Of course it's hyperbole, I just used the word Gestapo for emphasis of the overwhelming presence of not just Marine Patrol, I include State Police, Fish & Game, Sheriffs Dept, and just about ALL of the local Police Departments in NH. IMHO ALL are over staffed, and overbearing in this state. I support law enforcement (to a point), but when they can board your boat for any reason, stop your commercial truck for any reason, tell you to "open your hood" (on a snowmobile) for any reason, all for the "sake of safety", I think that is out of control in a state with the greatest motto of all the states in the country!! I don't agree that they should be able to do ANY of it without JUST CAUSE. Not to mention the tax burden on top of it all... One of my all time favorite quotes: WHEN A SOCIETY IS WILLING TO SACRIFICE LIBERTIES FOR THE SAKE OF SAFETY, IT WILL LOSE BOTH, AND DESERVE NEITHER. Benjamin Franklin

On boating's deadliest day, I saw the Marine Patrol make THREE stops. After watching over 60 years, this is Winter Harbor's all-time record!