The Dive?

fatlazyless · 08-09-2018, 02:15 PM

With a 60' long barge like that, it's got to be about an 80' run to hook up the steering cables from the steering wheel in the pilot house, up front, to the twin E-Tec 250's on the stern?

Who knows, maybe the outboards have a tiller handle, and it gets steered from the stern, with a hand on the tiller? ....helloooo .... captain here to engine room .... turn it a little to the left ..... and straighten out ...... and maintain speed ..... over

rsmlp · 08-09-2018, 02:34 PM

I just don't see how they can make a go of it long term. Lake pretty dead during the week even during summer (thankfully) and weekend business cannot possibly sustain them.

fatlazyless · 08-09-2018, 02:53 PM

44' x 20' is the dimensions for a pickleball court, so's maybe they could build a pickleball court on the top deck, and go after the pickleball player demographic.

Add a big water slide for sliding off the back of the boat between playing pickleball ........ and it could be a big hit with the growing pickleball demographic in the lakes region.

Top deck could host pickleball on weekdays, and raise the prices for adult beverages on the week ends, or something? ..... and go for a $12.50-pickleball cruise to no-where, leaving from West Alton Marina every week day at 9-am. ... could be fun!

The Dive - floating pickleball team league events - ice out to ice in!

....and rename The Dive to become The Pickle.

Phantom · 08-09-2018, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rsmlp

I just don't see how they can make a go of it long term. Lake pretty dead during the week even during summer (thankfully) and weekend business cannot possibly sustain them.

rsmlp -- normally I would agree with you about during the week being quiet -- but we spent the week of 7/29 thru 8/4 on the lake and every time we went by Smalls Cove it was MAX'd out...…… We were considering giving the Dive a try, but dropping and anchor was damn near impossible each visit.

It cannot be denied that they are currently drawing a crowd to that particular Sand Bar -- Novelty or not - which is fine by me

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rsmlp · 08-10-2018, 01:58 PM

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rsmlp -- normally I would agree with you about during the week being quiet -- but we spent the week of 7/29 thru 8/4 on the lake and every time we went by Smalls Cove it was MAX'd out...…… We were considering giving the Dive a try, but dropping and anchor was damn near impossible each visit.

It cannot be denied that they are currently drawing a crowd to that particular Sand Bar -- Novelty or not - which is fine by me

Hope the hell they stay there and away from us.

Momo · 08-10-2018, 05:09 PM

I guess the next great thing The Dive does does for the lake will be seagulls.

Seaplane Pilot · 08-12-2018, 03:51 PM

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Chimi · 08-12-2018, 04:15 PM

Wow. The article said they spent close to a million on this operation. Wonder what they will do in the spring when the water is too cold for people to wade over to them at the sandbar?

Hillcountry · 08-12-2018, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chimi

Wow. The article said they spent close to a million on this operation. Wonder what they will do in the spring when the water is too cold for people to wade over to them at the sandbar?

I think, as was aforementioned, a sturdy, stable shuttle craft (small pontoon?) would fill that bill nicely.

TiltonBB · 08-12-2018, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chimi

Wow. The article said they spent close to a million on this operation. Wonder what they will do in the spring when the water is too cold for people to wade over to them at the sandbar?

If you read the article it says they spent "the better part of a million dollars" to build it. Later in the article it says "The Dive, which cost about $600,000 to build."

$600,000 is the "better part" of a million dollars but the article does not say they spent "close to a million on this operation" Very different!

Chimi · 08-13-2018, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB

If you read the article it says they spent "the better part of a million dollars" to build it. Later in the article it says "The Dive, which cost about $600,000 to build."

$600,000 is the "better part" of a million dollars but the article does not say they spent "close to a million on this operation" Very different!

So what’s your point? The article said they spent the better part of a million. I said they spent close to a million. Big deal!

If it makes you happy, I will rephrase my comment: “They spent a “LOT of MONEY” building this thing.

iw8surf · 08-13-2018, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chimi

So what’s your point? The article said they spent the better part of a million. I said they spent close to a million. Big deal!

If it makes you happy, I will rephrase my comment: “They spent a “LOT of MONEY” building this thing.

I surely respect the entrepreneurial drive behind spending that much money. To me they either had the money to begin with and could've just kicked back and relaxed or took a big risk. Either way kudos from me on taking the chance, not many of us would have.

Chimi · 08-13-2018, 01:59 PM

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I surely respect the entrepreneurial drive behind spending that much money. To me they either had the money to begin with and could've just kicked back and relaxed or took a big risk. Either way kudos from me on taking the chance, not many of us would have.

I agree with you 100%.

joey2665 · 08-13-2018, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chimi

So what’s your point? The article said they spent the better part of a million. I said they spent close to a million. Big deal!

If it makes you happy, I will rephrase my comment: “They spent a “LOT of MONEY” building this thing.

I think the point is 600k is not the better part of 1M your off by 40% not close and if you borrowed the funds the debt service between 1M and 600k is significant by way of sales needed to cover the additional 400k debt service.

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Rusty · 08-13-2018, 03:34 PM

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I think the point is 600k is not the better part of 1M your off by 40% not close and if you borrowed the funds the debt service between 1M and 600k is significant by way of sales needed to cover the additional 400k debt service.

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Using my math it says that 600K is the better part of 1M.
Anything Higher that 50% would be the better part.

joey2665 · 08-13-2018, 04:12 PM

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Using my math it says that 600K is the better part of 1M.

Anything Higher that 50% would be the better part.

Sorry I don’t agree with your interpretation of “better part”. By your definition then 500,001.00 is better part of a million. That’s very misleading. If you thought your home was worth the better part of a million and someone offered you 600k I’m sure you would think they are nuts.

In this case as I stated there is a tremendous difference in either an investment of 1 million compared to 600k or if you borrowed the funds paying the difference in debt service between the two.

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Rusty · 08-13-2018, 04:25 PM

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Sorry I don’t agree with your interpretation of “better part”. By your definition then 500,001.00 is better part of a million. That’s very misleading. If you thought your home was worth the better part of a million and someone offered you 600k I’m sure you would think they are nuts.

In this case as I stated there is a tremendous difference in either an investment of 1 million compared to 600k or if you borrowed the funds paying the difference in debt service between the two.

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500,001.00 is the better part of 1M

Actually 500,000.01 is also the better part of 1M

joey2665 · 08-13-2018, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

500,001.00 is the better part of 1M

Actually 500,000.01 is also the better part of 1M

Ok if that’s what you think. I disagree especially with relevance to this particular post and the amount of money involved. Your definition is extremely misleading.

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Rusty · 08-13-2018, 05:12 PM

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Ok if that’s what you think. I disagree especially with relevance to this particular post and the amount of money involved. Your definition is extremely misleading.

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Evidently you think the article is wrong also, here is what it states:

joey2665 · 08-13-2018, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Evidently you think the article is wrong also, here is what it states:

Yes I do. It’s very misleading. Wouldn’t be the first time an article was misleading. I guess to you 400k is pocket change.

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Rusty · 08-13-2018, 05:53 PM

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Yes I do. It’s very misleading. Wouldn’t be the first time an article was misleading. I guess to you 400k is pocket change.

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I agree it's misleading but not wrong.

Shreddy · 08-13-2018, 05:16 PM

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Evidently you think the article is wrong also, here is what it states:

Can't you guys direct message either with your pissing match rather than flood the forum with nonsense? Give it up

joey2665 · 08-13-2018, 05:18 PM

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Can't you guys direct message either with your pissing match rather than flood the forum with nonsense? Give it up

Thank you webmaster. All my posts are relevant to the article in the laconia daily sun.

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Cal Coon · 08-13-2018, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

500,001.00 is the better part of 1M

Actually 500,000.01 is also the better part of 1M

I think you and joey's argument (besides being senseless), depends on the definition of what "is" is!!! Does anybody know what "is" means?? Did we ever figure that out back in the 90's???

Hillcountry · 08-13-2018, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal Coon

I think you and joey's argument (besides being senseless), depends on the definition of what "is" is!!! Does anybody know what "is" means?? Did we ever figure that out back in the 90's???

Only our “slick” friend knew what “is” is...

DEJ · 08-13-2018, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Using my math it says that 600K is the better part of 1M.
Anything Higher that 50% would be the better part.

WHO CARES! Get a life people.

Jersey Guy · 08-13-2018, 01:13 PM

Out of curiosity, and in need of a new destination, we took a ride to The Dive late in the day yesterday from Buzzells Cove, with the intent to check it out, and maybe do a drive by. We did not expect the welcome and encouragement to stop by by the handful of customers on board (4-5) as well as the staff. We had 2 dogs which we were told were welcome to join the owners dog already there. I dropped off the dogs and 3 other family members directly to The Dive, dropped anchor and waded over. We had a beer, and I warmed up by the fire, and stayed about an hour. Betsy, Jamie and crew could not have been more helpful and appreciative of us coming out on the grey day. We will be back and wish them all the best.

fatlazyless · 09-06-2018, 04:42 PM

Have never seen a barge like that powered by two stroke 250hp Evinrude e-tecs. Seems like the Lake Winni construction barges go with Honda which is a four stroke and probably has way more torq than a two stroke. Tow strokes are notoriously not very torqy which translates to not enough pushing power.

What does the Coast Guard use on their patrol boats? CG uses Honda.

Maybe a tugboat powered by a diesel towing The Dive on a tow line could be doable?

joey2665 · 09-06-2018, 04:57 PM

Considering the experience to owners of The Dive represented they have in the marine industry I am extremely surprised at the level it is underpowered.

Taz · 09-06-2018, 05:04 PM

Your idea about striking a deal with Watermark sounds like it could work as far allowing the Dive to move to a different sandbar. However, I don't think that will make them any more money and may cost more because of paying Watermark. Still a short season as previously discussed.

As far as marine patrol ticketing, based on FB post they are ticketing now not just giving verbal and moving them out.

Top-Water · 09-06-2018, 05:55 PM

I wonder how the "Winnipesaukee Forum Fest 2019" on the "Dive" is going to go next summer.

Do you think they will have all the kinks worked out by then?

WakeboardMom · 09-10-2018, 01:31 PM

Did anyone make it to The Dive this weekend? Curious if you were able to drop off people on these chilly days.

It would be a fun place to watch the game when it's a 1:00 game like yesterday.

joey2665 · 09-10-2018, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WakeboardMom

Did anyone make it to The Dive this weekend? Curious if you were able to drop off people on these chilly days.

It would be a fun place to watch the game when it's a 1:00 game like yesterday.

Drop off was open this past weekend and also you can now order food on the app and pick up at the drive thru window. Obviously with the weather and schools in NH, MA, Ct, NY back in session Smalls Cove was not crowded at all and the Dive did not look very busy.

Taz · 09-10-2018, 03:51 PM

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Drop off was open this past weekend and also you can now order food on the app and pick up at the drive thru window. Obviously with the weather and schools in NH, MA, Ct, NY back in session Smalls Cove was not crowded at all and the Dive did not look very busy.

Even with drop off open some one still needs to anchor and wade/walk to the dive. Water still warm but air was cold and no one wants to sit outside with wet clothes on a cold day. They need a shuttle if they want to attract business this time of year.

joey2665 · 09-10-2018, 04:15 PM

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Even with drop off open some one still needs to anchor and wade/walk to the dive. Water still warm but air was cold and no one wants to sit outside with wet clothes on a cold day. They need a shuttle if they want to attract business this time of year.

I absolutely agree. I was just responding to a previous post. If they are going to continue to operate this time of year and later into the fall then they must devise some type of shuttle service for the captain of the boats dropping people.

WakeboardMom · 09-10-2018, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by joey2665

If they are going to continue to operate this time of year and later into the fall then they must devise some type of shuttle service for the captain of the boats dropping people.

Should be NBD on a 600k investment. The manpower might be the issue. And maybe insurance.

https://www.amazon.com/Z-Ray-Surveyo...latable+dinghy

joey2665 · 09-10-2018, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WakeboardMom

Should be NBD on a 600k investment. The manpower might be the issue. And maybe insurance.

https://www.amazon.com/Z-Ray-Surveyo...latable+dinghy

Yes with a 600k investment they need to be imaginative and think outside to box to extend their season and start their season as early as possible in order to maximize the ROI

thinkxingu · 09-10-2018, 05:40 PM

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Yes with a 600k investment they need to be imaginative and think outside to box to extend their season and start their season as early as possible in order to maximize the ROI

Agreed, but that is also more money. As much money as they invested, it seems like they missed some important aspects. Even if they have a dinghy, people still need to be out there...

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joey2665 · 09-10-2018, 05:58 PM

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Agreed, but that is also more money. As much money as they invested, it seems like they missed some important aspects. Even if they have a dinghy, people still need to be out there...

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Yes they did miss quite a few very important aspects. 1) underpowering the vessel 2) getting patrons (boats captains) to and from their boats when the weather isn't idle to wade or swim or when the captain doesn't want to get wet before boarding 3) from a strict financial point of view, investing 600k in a bar/restaurant with an extremely short season.

I truly hope they succeed but as a CPA and one that invests commercially in businesses and real estate tis is a business I would never invest in myself nopr would I advise a client to invest.

Cal Coon · 09-10-2018, 07:11 PM

I went out briefly saturday, and the Dive had a 22' or 24' center console tied up to it and I thought that it was probably being used as a shuttle. It was early in the day, and the only people on the Dive were employees, so I don't think the center console belonged to a patron on board the Dive. It was tied up and idling, (cc), with no one on board which I thought was kind of strange.

Descant · 09-10-2018, 09:40 PM

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Yes they did miss quite a few very important aspects. 1) underpowering the vessel 2) getting patrons (boats captains) to and from their boats when the weather isn't idle to wade or swim or when the captain doesn't want to get wet before boarding 3) from a strict financial point of view, investing 600k in a bar/restaurant with an extremely short season.

I truly hope they succeed but as a CPA and one that invests commercially in businesses and real estate tis is a business I would never invest in myself nor would I advise a client to invest.

Right. I would not expect my CPA to advise in favor of anything risky. I also would not expect him/her to be richer than I am since I might take greater risks. I would need him/her to guide me through bankruptcy. Risk vs. reward, right?
I expect the Dive will be reworking their business plan for 2019 to include events and ticketed cruises (new power?) and perhaps negotiating a better homeport.
Homeporting at a marina or resort with lots of parking and no restaurant/bar
would work.
Remember that 600K could have been spent on a restaurant development and you would pay big property taxes. The Dive, by comparison, pays registration fees, but no property taxes. Remove the engines and use a tow boat, and I think no registration fees, just for the tow boat.
Maybe she'll find an island home and be Mama Lucy's II? Stranger things have happened on Winnipesaukee.

noreast · 09-11-2018, 02:47 PM

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I absolutely agree. I was just responding to a previous post. If they are going to continue to operate this time of year and later into the fall then they must devise some type of shuttle service for the captain of the boats dropping people.

Or shuttle it down to Florida for the next 9 months.

brk-lnt · 09-11-2018, 04:35 PM

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Or shuttle it down to Florida for the next 9 months.

LOL. It would take 9 months just to get it to FL, plus a handful of permits to move it from Winnipesaukee to any water body not land-locked.

Rusty · 09-11-2018, 05:50 PM

Vermin will have a good place to nest this winter.

fatlazyless · 09-14-2018, 04:30 PM

Driving past on Rt 25 thought I saw The Dive tied up to the long dock at the Center Harbor Inn, so's I drove down to the Center Harbor town beach there and sure enough, the bow of The Dive is right up against the outermost end of that long dock there.

Looks like Center Harbor welcomes The Dive, or something?

Saw it there at 4:00-pm, on Friday. Facebook says it has a private party. Maybe it will show in the Center Harbor Inn web cam?

GBGX2 · 09-15-2018, 06:54 AM

https://www.facebook.com/thedivelake...8444181626502/

fatlazyless · 09-15-2018, 08:36 AM

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https://www.facebook.com/thedivelake...8444181626502/

does that video look like Center Harbor bay?

08-09-2018, 02:15 PM	#1
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,853 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 303 Thanked 1,038 Times in 757 Posts	.....who steers this? With a 60' long barge like that, it's got to be about an 80' run to hook up the steering cables from the steering wheel in the pilot house, up front, to the twin E-Tec 250's on the stern? Who knows, maybe the outboards have a tiller handle, and it gets steered from the stern, with a hand on the tiller? ....helloooo .... captain here to engine room .... turn it a little to the left ..... and straighten out ...... and maintain speed ..... over

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rsmlp Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 495 Thanks: 5 Thanked 169 Times in 87 Posts	the Dive I just don't see how they can make a go of it long term. Lake pretty dead during the week even during summer (thankfully) and weekend business cannot possibly sustain them.

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fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,853 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 303 Thanked 1,038 Times in 757 Posts	.... a floating pickleball court is 44' x 20' reg pb court 44' x 20' is the dimensions for a pickleball court, so's maybe they could build a pickleball court on the top deck, and go after the pickleball player demographic. Add a big water slide for sliding off the back of the boat between playing pickleball ........ and it could be a big hit with the growing pickleball demographic in the lakes region. Top deck could host pickleball on weekdays, and raise the prices for adult beverages on the week ends, or something? ..... and go for a $12.50-pickleball cruise to no-where, leaving from West Alton Marina every week day at 9-am. ... could be fun! The Dive - floating pickleball team league events - ice out to ice in! ....and rename The Dive to become The Pickle.

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Jersey Guy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 55 Thanks: 33 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Visited Yesterday Out of curiosity, and in need of a new destination, we took a ride to The Dive late in the day yesterday from Buzzells Cove, with the intent to check it out, and maybe do a drive by. We did not expect the welcome and encouragement to stop by by the handful of customers on board (4-5) as well as the staff. We had 2 dogs which we were told were welcome to join the owners dog already there. I dropped off the dogs and 3 other family members directly to The Dive, dropped anchor and waded over. We had a beer, and I warmed up by the fire, and stayed about an hour. Betsy, Jamie and crew could not have been more helpful and appreciative of us coming out on the grey day. We will be back and wish them all the best.

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Top-Water Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 674 Thanks: 1,535 Thanked 714 Times in 431 Posts	I wonder how the "Winnipesaukee Forum Fest 2019" on the "Dive" is going to go next summer. Do you think they will have all the kinks worked out by then?

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Cal Coon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 475 Thanks: 179 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	I went out briefly saturday, and the Dive had a 22' or 24' center console tied up to it and I thought that it was probably being used as a shuttle. It was early in the day, and the only people on the Dive were employees, so I don't think the center console belonged to a patron on board the Dive. It was tied up and idling, (cc), with no one on board which I thought was kind of strange.

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fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,853 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 303 Thanked 1,038 Times in 757 Posts	... at Center Harbor Inn Driving past on Rt 25 thought I saw The Dive tied up to the long dock at the Center Harbor Inn, so's I drove down to the Center Harbor town beach there and sure enough, the bow of The Dive is right up against the outermost end of that long dock there. Looks like Center Harbor welcomes The Dive, or something? Saw it there at 4:00-pm, on Friday. Facebook says it has a private party. Maybe it will show in the Center Harbor Inn web cam? Last edited by fatlazyless; 09-15-2018 at 07:19 AM.

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