Driving to the Lake

TiltonBB · 08-11-2018, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

It seems just a wee bit wacky that the driver of a box truck with a gross vehicle weight (truck and freight) of 12,000-lbs and up is required to have a cdl, while the driver of a mini-bus with up to 14 passengers is not ..... how's about that?

A Class B CDL is required for vehicles in excess of 26,000 pounds not 12,000 pounds. The weight limits were set to enable the companies like U Haul, Ryder, and Penske to rent trucks to non CDL licensed operators. The exception is when the vehicle is equipped with air brakes,then a CDL is required.

From the NH DMV:

Class B: Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR. Tests required for a Class B license in New Hampshire:
General CDL Knowledge Test.
Air Brakes Knowledge Test.
Road Skills Test in a Class B vehicle.

fatlazyless · 08-12-2018, 09:02 AM

Oh ok, thanks for the correction, 12,000 does seem light for the gross weight of a large box truck, so my memory messed up making it 12,000-lb and not the correct gross weight of 12-tons, or 24,000-lbs. I knew it was 12-somethings .... ho-ho.

TiltonBB · 08-12-2018, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Oh ok, thanks for the correction, 12,000 does seem light for the gross weight of a large box truck, so my memory messed up making it 12,000-lb and not the correct gross weight of 12-tons, or 24,000-lbs. I knew it was 12-somethings .... ho-ho.

Ho, Ho..................Not 12 something!

Close......................But really 13 tons.................26,000 pounds.

fatlazyless · 08-12-2018, 10:58 AM

ooopsie-doopsie.......my bad.....so, what's 2000-lbs when going from 24-26k .....just small change?

The point is who may drive a mini-bus in the US and in NH. If the NH legislature wanted to require a cdl-pass for driving a mini-bus with 14-passengers in NH it could up-grade the federal law for the State of NH.

Is very unlikely to happen.

TiltonBB · 08-13-2018, 05:25 PM

The driver of the camp bus.

An extensive violation record for someone only 21 year old. That would be a bad record if you were 50, not 21.

Wouldn't you think a camp could find a driver with a better record than this guy?

According to his driving record, Guy has twice been convicted of driving to endanger for incidents in 2013 and in 2016.

He has several other driving violations including speeding, failure to display a valid inspection sticker, driving after suspension, failure to appear in court for driving offenses and failure to pay fines levied by the Maine BMV.

https://www.wmur.com/article/driver-...shows/22716238

fatlazyless · 08-13-2018, 08:59 PM

https://www.maine.gov/bmv/drc/ ...... is totally unacceptable for the City of Kittery, Kittery Community Center, summer camp program to not require a ten year drivers record for driving a 14-passenger mini-bus like this one.

The smashed mini-bus most likely had an automatic transmission and normal hydraulic brakes as opposed to air brakes which make it more easy-to-drive to a larger number of drivers than the typical cdl-pass bus with a manual stick shift and air brakes ...... probably too easy-to-drive ..... so any nit-wit loser can drive it.

Shame, shame, shame ....... on Kittery, Maine!

Looks like Kittery didn't do their home work on this one.

In my humble opinion, the job applicant must pay for their 10-year, driver history record as part of the job application. Probably,
this step would have deterred someone with an unsafe driving history from applying for the job, knowing they would get rejected.

Maine Bureau Motor Vehicles:
10-year record: $12
3-year record: $7

City of Kittery to investigate whether driver who crashed van had background check: https://www.pressherald.com/2018/08/...kground-check/ (includes 3 internet comments)

https://www.gmfleet.com/specialty-ve...uttle-bus.html : a 2018 GM Savana shuttle bus that looks(?) pretty similar, more or less(?) to the smashed up 2010 bus in the Press Herald photo, from what can be seen.
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Looking at the smashed up shuttle bus, it seems like it could have been a lot worse, with 13-people on board, in terms of personal injuries; 11-campers, 1-camp counselor, 1-van driver. It says everyone was wearing a seatbelt(?) somewhere above. Wearing seat belts is not required by law for passengers or driver in this mini-bus in New Hampshire, but everyone, passengers and driver are required by law to wear seat belts in the State of Maine. Looking at the smash-up condition, wearing seat belts and the strength/design of the vehicle probably made a huge difference for not getting killed and more injured.

http://www.unionleader.com/safety/Co...ng-AA-08132018

......oopsie-doopsie.....my bad....am incorrect on wearing seat belts......in New Hampshire, ages 17 and younger are required to wear seat belts, with a first time offense of $50. So, probably just the counselor and the driver were not required to be wearing seat belts in New Hampshire. Wearing seat belts seems like a no-brainer?

fatlazyless · 09-11-2018, 03:27 PM

So, what's next?

https://www.pressherald.com/2018/09/...ainst-Kittery/

08-12-2018, 09:02 AM	#2
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,829 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 302 Thanked 1,033 Times in 752 Posts	Oh ok, thanks for the correction, 12,000 does seem light for the gross weight of a large box truck, so my memory messed up making it 12,000-lb and not the correct gross weight of 12-tons, or 24,000-lbs. I knew it was 12-somethings .... ho-ho. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

08-12-2018, 10:58 AM	#4
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,829 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 302 Thanked 1,033 Times in 752 Posts	ooopsie-doopsie.......my bad.....so, what's 2000-lbs when going from 24-26k .....just small change? The point is who may drive a mini-bus in the US and in NH. If the NH legislature wanted to require a cdl-pass for driving a mini-bus with 14-passengers in NH it could up-grade the federal law for the State of NH. Is very unlikely to happen. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

08-13-2018, 05:25 PM	#5
TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 3,033 Thanks: 712 Thanked 2,210 Times in 942 Posts	Bad Driving Record! The driver of the camp bus. An extensive violation record for someone only 21 year old. That would be a bad record if you were 50, not 21. Wouldn't you think a camp could find a driver with a better record than this guy? According to his driving record, Guy has twice been convicted of driving to endanger for incidents in 2013 and in 2016. He has several other driving violations including speeding, failure to display a valid inspection sticker, driving after suspension, failure to appear in court for driving offenses and failure to pay fines levied by the Maine BMV. https://www.wmur.com/article/driver-...shows/22716238

08-13-2018, 08:59 PM	#6
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,829 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 302 Thanked 1,033 Times in 752 Posts	https://www.maine.gov/bmv/drc/ ...... is totally unacceptable for the City of Kittery, Kittery Community Center, summer camp program to not require a ten year drivers record for driving a 14-passenger mini-bus like this one. The smashed mini-bus most likely had an automatic transmission and normal hydraulic brakes as opposed to air brakes which make it more easy-to-drive to a larger number of drivers than the typical cdl-pass bus with a manual stick shift and air brakes ...... probably too easy-to-drive ..... so any nit-wit loser can drive it. Shame, shame, shame ....... on Kittery, Maine! Looks like Kittery didn't do their home work on this one. In my humble opinion, the job applicant must pay for their 10-year, driver history record as part of the job application. Probably, this step would have deterred someone with an unsafe driving history from applying for the job, knowing they would get rejected. Maine Bureau Motor Vehicles: 10-year record: $12 3-year record: $7 City of Kittery to investigate whether driver who crashed van had background check: https://www.pressherald.com/2018/08/...kground-check/ (includes 3 internet comments) https://www.gmfleet.com/specialty-ve...uttle-bus.html : a 2018 GM Savana shuttle bus that looks(?) pretty similar, more or less(?) to the smashed up 2010 bus in the Press Herald photo, from what can be seen. . Looking at the smashed up shuttle bus, it seems like it could have been a lot worse, with 13-people on board, in terms of personal injuries; 11-campers, 1-camp counselor, 1-van driver. It says everyone was wearing a seatbelt(?) somewhere above. Wearing seat belts is not required by law for passengers or driver in this mini-bus in New Hampshire, but everyone, passengers and driver are required by law to wear seat belts in the State of Maine. Looking at the smash-up condition, wearing seat belts and the strength/design of the vehicle probably made a huge difference for not getting killed and more injured. http://www.unionleader.com/safety/Co...ng-AA-08132018 ......oopsie-doopsie.....my bad....am incorrect on wearing seat belts......in New Hampshire, ages 17 and younger are required to wear seat belts, with a first time offense of $50. So, probably just the counselor and the driver were not required to be wearing seat belts in New Hampshire. Wearing seat belts seems like a no-brainer? __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 08-14-2018 at 12:28 PM.

09-11-2018, 03:27 PM	#7
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,829 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 302 Thanked 1,033 Times in 752 Posts	" .... a parent's worst nightmare" So, what's next? https://www.pressherald.com/2018/09/...ainst-Kittery/ __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!