Fake IDs

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

I used various colors/font styles/Bold so you can see just how ridiculous that sentence was.

These were "real" because the licenses were sufficient for American passport applications, alcohol for minor drivers and in some states,
converting to voter registration ID cards.

"Many were in the U.S. illegally".

• "RealID"? Even one clerk who issued the Massachusetts drivers licenses possessed fake IDs!

• The $2000 licenses were issued to perhaps 300 foreign opioid sellers—residing in the USA. (Some of whom had been previously deported).
If, as alleged above, the new Massachusetts drivers were also street-sellers of opioids, can the result eventually mean that real American doctors physicians' licenses will be revoked?

• A "flunk-rate" of 57% Florida drivers license test failures could account for such sales of Massachusetts drivers licenses.

"Further investigation revealed that the four Haymarket RMV clerks were allegedly working with [two RMV employees] to provide licenses and identification cards to illegal aliens for cash."
https://www.masslive.com/news/index....s_rmv_wor.html

Probation=Don't Do It Again for Two Years...

Originally Posted by jr616

Like most of the minors (under 21) that were appearing in court that day... The judge was very nice but stern and fair. Probation, fines and on record for 2 years after which it can be annulled. MOST of them were remorseful and respectful. She was in fact guilty and ended up not obtaining a lawyer. She is 20 and made that decision on her own.

All but one of the above RMV clerks got probation!

[BroadHopper]

As Major and other locals agree on one thing. Local district court judges pretty much all cases are guilty, regardless of circumstances. A local lawyer is a must as they know how to handle the local judge(s).

[glennsteely]

Local courts don’t do a ton of “business” in the off season up there......they need money, period. This is definitely not to stomp on our courts, our freedoms, our country, so before you try to crucify me for my comments, remember, these are just MY OPINION and my reason for posting is to give the best advice I can offer to the thread starter, WHO ASKED FOR IT!!

I would say a fool proof plan for a young man/woman with a spotless record would be as follows:

1. Volunteer work dealing with underage drinking, drinking and driving, talking with younger kids about the error of their ways, etc. needs to be found and started ASAP.

2. A lawyer needs to be retained ASAP, from what I have read here, the recommended attorney sounds like your best bet, because, knowing how to handle the local courts and court personnel goes the distance, every time. The amount of recommendations he has received here speaks for the quality of work you can expect to receive from him, I am sure.

3. NO TROUBLE AT ALL.......do not spit on the sidewalk or Jaywalk while this is ongoing!!!

Now, talk to the lawyer about what is called “One year rule” (might have a different name there, but it will be something he knows about.)
It will require an appearance, where he/she will be required to plead guilty, and the the judge will suspend sentencing for 1 year, at that time, if he/she has been in absolutely NO TROUBLE at all, another appearance will be required and the judge will dismiss the original charge/charges, and throw away the guilty plea, resulting in nothing, not even the original arrest, being recorded on his/her permanent criminal record, therefore sparing him/her from EVER having to check that box that says “yes.”

I almost forgot, if anything goes wrong during that year, like another arrest, etc. allows the judge to impose the original sentence, with no credit for time gone by, and run whatever sentence consecutive to the penalty for the new charges.
Just an example:
Guilty plea suspends a 5 year prison sentence, 11 months into the 1 year suspension a new crime is committed that carries a 10 year sentence, found guilty on the new charge, and sentenced to the full 10 years, results in the 5 year sentence having to be satisfied first, STARTING back at day 1, with no credit for the 11 months gone by, before the 10 year sentence even starts.
That is DEFINITELY a big stretch from what we are talking about here, but it makes it very easy to understand.
Hope that helps.

[gravy boat]

The law was broken - knowingly. Retain a good Lawyer as you don't want to look back and kick yourself for not doing so.

As a recruiter I can tell you first-hand that many companies administer criminal background checks and drug screens as a condition of employment. And yes - most job applications require full disclosure of whether "convicted" of a felony and/or misdemeanor.

I believe - and someone please correct me if I am mistaken on this - that a conviction stays on your record for 7 or 10 years. That means this will follow the kid until his late 20s.

Lawyer is the best route on this.

Good luck to your friend.

[Major]

Originally Posted by glennsteely

Now, talk to the lawyer about what is called “One year rule” (might have a different name there, but it will be something he knows about.)
It will require an appearance, where he/she will be required to plead guilty, and the the judge will suspend sentencing for 1 year, at that time, if he/she has been in absolutely NO TROUBLE at all, another appearance will be required and the judge will dismiss the original charge/charges, and throw away the guilty plea, resulting in nothing, not even the original arrest, being recorded on his/her permanent criminal record, therefore sparing him/her from EVER having to check that box that says “yes.”

You almost have it correct. After one year, she can petition the court to reduce the infraction from a misdemeanor to a violation. All that needs to be done is to go to the district court and fill out a form. They are very helpful. After the petition is approved, she does not have to state that she was arrested and/or convicted of a misdemeanor.

[Top-Water]

Not trying to side track the thread, but seen this interesting story on the today show this morning and then thought about this thread. Hate to say it but I would have probably fell for this to. Seems like only one elderly woman did the right thing. With all the scams out there these days, would you have been fooled. A pretty (easy/ crafty) identity theft scam that targets folks that more or less are trying to be helpful towards the police.

https://www.today.com/video/fake-cop...67744?v=raila&

On a lighter note I want a fake marine patrol boat and uniform.

[glennsteely]

Originally Posted by Major

You almost have it correct. After one year, she can petition the court to reduce the infraction from a misdemeanor to a violation. All that needs to be done is to go to the district court and fill out a form. They are very helpful. After the petition is approved, she does not have to state that she was arrested and/or convicted of a misdemeanor.

Major,
I am not sure, I am def not a lawyer......lol, but, I can say that I have not ALWAYS been the upstanding, law abiding citizen I am today.....LOL!! x 3 = Hahaha!!!
I TOO had a youth, (many, many moons ago,) and my youth may have been just a tad bit wilder than most......that being said, My perm home is in New Jersey, (where I am stuck, not by choice) and I can say for certain that the “1 year rule” that I am referring to is exactly as I described it, here in Jersey anyway.
My neighbor just went through it all with his son, who is an otherwise, OUTSTANDING kid, who just made a stupid judgement call when shortly after school was out for the summer this year, was discovered to be a little “tipsy” with some of his buddies, who are other good kids from town, spray painting on the back side of one of our Elementary Schools that is behind our homes, on the outskirts of our development. Nothing crazy or newsworthy, just some bad, bad attempts at being artistic, hopefully reminding them why they are all pushed and encouraged to be good students and good athletes, (not art students.)
I really shouldn’t be making jokes about it, because it is a good example of how a stupid mistake, or something that after a few beers seemed like a good thing to do, (another stupid part of this whole bad night, that could have been much, much worse, had it been a car or hunting weapon or ANYTHING other than spray paint they chose to express themselves with.) Just 1 second in time, that 1 bad decision, can change a lifetime, a life, a future, or worse, LIVES......meaning many, we all know the variables, no need to go thru all of them.

.......anywho.....getting back on track, they were able to spare all of these kid’s futures, (this time anyway) from being scarred with the black mark that this, stupid, petty little mistake could have generated for years, actually, the MOST IMPORTANT and some would argue, the BEST years of there lives......
In the end, all 6 of the boys received the “1 year rule” which included quite a bit more than the normal requirements. 2 of them received 50 hours each for their roles in the artwork, they are brothers, and they did not participate in the drinking. The next 3 of them, including our neighbor’s boy, received 100 community service hours each, for the underage liquor consumption and being intoxicated in public, as well as the painting. The real “dummy” of the crowd, our friend’s son, Devon, 1 of the local star athletes for our High School, called himself “running” from the police, and took off from the scene in trying to not get caught, losing a flip flop where he ran from, that his mother had written his name in!! So, he had a REAL bad time in leading our police on a 40 minute “manhunt” with only 1 flip flop......more funny to come

.......Stupid, I did say stupid, right? The local police are all our friends, and they know all of these boys.......plus, these 6 kids are ALWAYS together, so 1 look at the crowd always gets the, “where is so and so” if that crowd isn’t all 6 of them. The other boys all told the arresting officers who it was that ran, all of 1.2 seconds after the cuffs were on......lol. Ok, so here it is......I told you Devon is on of our STAR athletes, right? Football, baseball, golf, he does it all, but his real claim to fame? This boy is FAST!! Ready? TRACK!!

Wow.
Devon got 150 hours.
The “1 year rule” saved them, so if they complete their court ordered punishments and stay squeaky clean for the year, it all goes away, everything. Like it never happened.