Kayak fees

tis · 09-12-2018, 11:47 AM

I am sorry. Is everybody in government stupid??????

fatlazyless · 09-12-2018, 11:58 AM

Yes, but it seems like it will lower the annual fee from aproximately $45 down to $10 for sailboats 12-20' because these sailboats currently pay $45/year and maybe even more for the 17-18-19-20'ers with or without an auxiliary small outboard motor?

Also, is this proposed 'kayak' $10 sticker fee a one time or an annual fee?

Will the stickers really, really, really actually stick to a polypropilene kayak without getting washed off ........ an important concern!

Maybe Senator Lou D'Allesandro can get someone from Las Vegas to build a casino on the large empty lot just below the Weirs Cumberland Gas and Go ....... helloooooooo Lou buddy ....... build us a Weirs Beach casino ...... Viva Weirs the money all-winter-long Lou! ......

ApS · 09-12-2018, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Yes, but it seems like it will lower the annual fee from approximately $45 down to $10 for sailboats 12-20' because these sailboats currently pay $45/year and maybe even more for the 17-18-19-20'ers with or without an auxiliary small outboard motor? Also, is this proposed 'kayak' $10 sticker fee a one time or an annual fee? Will the stickers really, really, really actually stick to a polypropylene kayak without getting washed off ... an important concern! Maybe Senator Lou D'Allesandro can get someone from Las Vegas to build a casino on the large empty lot just below the Weirs Cumberland Gas and Go … helloooooooo Lou buddy ... build us a Weirs Beach casino ... Viva Weirs the money all-winter-long Lou! ...

Do these sections (of a bill said to have "passed") answer your registration question?

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3 Vessel Registration and Numbering; Exemption From Registration. Amend RSA 270-E:4, I to read as follows:

I. Sailboats under 12 feet in length[,] and rowboats [and canoes] powered by sail, oars, paddles, or other human power. Any vessel which has an inboard or outboard motor shall not be exempt from registration except as provided in paragraph II.

and

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7 Vessel Registration and Numbering; Exemptions From Displaying Numbers. Amend RSA 270-E:9, I(h) to read as follows:

(h) A sailboat under 20 feet in length[, or any vessel that is only powered by oars or paddles]. Any vessel which has an inboard or outboard motor shall not be exempt from displaying a number except as otherwise provided in this section.

__________________

Will a sticker remain attached to a roto-molded kayak hull?

Tough to answer. I suspect a committee to check on suitable adhesives will be established.

A registration number on an Optimist kiddie-class sailboat will run around the transom!

fatlazyless · 09-12-2018, 06:17 PM

Well, thanks for that, it answers more questions than can be comprehended by someone with above average intelligence.

Apparently, this Senate Bill 410-FN does not apply the proposed annual ten dollar kayak tax to stand up paddle boards which are usually 10'6", or 11'6" length, and are considered by the US Coast Guard to be a vessel which requires a pfd and a whistle. If a sup is used within a swim or bathing area then it is not a vessel, but in most all other uses, it is considered to be a vessel which this proposed kayak stamp law has over looked.

If the US Coast Guard says a sup is a vessel, then here in NH, a sup is a vessel, and a stand up paddle board (sup) deserves a ten dollar kayak stamp similar to a kayak/canoe/rowboat/small sailboat (all without a motor) ......... legally speaking. Besides, a sup uses the lake pretty similar to a paddle kayak or canoe.

www.myfwc.com/boating/regulations/paddleboard/

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fatlazyless · 09-19-2018, 01:04 PM

While the proposed ten dollar kayak stamp is a good place to start, considering that motorboat and sailboats 12' and longer both start at about $50, a twenty dollar kayak stamp is better for funding kayak associated projects like invasive plants, and launching ramps.

Noticed that all three of the big blue $500 marked down to $250 family sit-on-top kayaks at the Plymouth Walmart have been sold.

What's left at the Plymouth Walmart; one LifeTime Sport Fisher, sit-on-top, Angler Tandem, 10'x36", color-duck hunter dark green, with one kayak paddle, orig price $529, now $265 ….. seems like a big wide stable fishing kayak with three rod holder holes, three cup holder holes, two rod storage racks, seats two, weight 60-lb, capacity 500-lbs

Will the increased tariffs on Chinese made consumer items be raising the price for this kayak …… time will tell? Good grief ….. probably should have bought it myself!

rick35 · 10-08-2018, 07:05 PM

From the 10/8 Union Leader:

Kayak registration?

[State Rep Jeff] Goley said he plans to try again on an idea that’s been rejected by the legislature in the past — a $10 registration fee for canoes and kayaks. Boat owners pay from $24 to $34 depending on the size of their boat.

Waterfront property owners in the past have complained that they should not have to pay to launch a canoe or kayak from private property.

“My legislation will say only those using public access must have a decal,” said Goley. “That will be easy to police coming on and off the water, and won’t affect cabin owners and hotels along the lakes.”

Another idea is to allow Fish and Game to retain the revenue from fines paid for violations related to the department’s activities, like hunting without a license.

“Instead of taking that to the courts, which overburdens the courts, we could have a hearing officer conduct hearings like the Department of Safety does for minor violations, and keep the fine revenue in house,” said Goley.

rick35 · 10-08-2018, 07:12 PM

Still need to collect fees, distribute decals, catch law breaking kayakers and collect fines. That's the part that will be easy to police.

fatlazyless · 10-09-2018, 01:45 AM

Maybe just ask for donations and paddlers/rowers can mail a $10-25-50 check to a p o box, and in return, get a red, silver, or gold Fish & Game " Support NH F&G" sticker in the shape of a Dudley Do-Right character.

Registering an 11' jon rowboat for use with a 30-lb thrust, electric motor on the stern, runs about $50/year, so lots of paddlers would probably volunteer for $10 or 25 which is still half price.

Easy to administer and nothing to police ..... either a kayak has one or it don't .... is all the same ...... all volunteer stickers with an animated Dudley Do-Right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_Do-Right showing the F&G logo .......... a Dudley Do-Right character with the broad brim ranger hat.

Many would probably kick in ten dollars just to display the funny look'n red Dudley Do-Right sticker that shows their support.

Who knows ..... maybe a Dudley Do-Right, NH F&G sticker, would attract national attention and bring in more money than expected ...... strange things like that have happened .... especially if it gives people something to smile about?

MAXUM · 09-12-2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tis

I am sorry. Is everybody in government stupid??????

Only as stupid as the electorate that puts them there.

09-12-2018, 11:58 AM	#2
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,762 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,014 Times in 739 Posts	Yes, but it seems like it will lower the annual fee from aproximately $45 down to $10 for sailboats 12-20' because these sailboats currently pay $45/year and maybe even more for the 17-18-19-20'ers with or without an auxiliary small outboard motor? Also, is this proposed 'kayak' $10 sticker fee a one time or an annual fee? Will the stickers really, really, really actually stick to a polypropilene kayak without getting washed off ........ an important concern! Maybe Senator Lou D'Allesandro can get someone from Las Vegas to build a casino on the large empty lot just below the Weirs Cumberland Gas and Go ....... helloooooooo Lou buddy ....... build us a Weirs Beach casino ...... Viva Weirs the money all-winter-long Lou! ...... __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

09-12-2018, 06:17 PM	#4
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,762 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,014 Times in 739 Posts	Well, thanks for that, it answers more questions than can be comprehended by someone with above average intelligence. Apparently, this Senate Bill 410-FN does not apply the proposed annual ten dollar kayak tax to stand up paddle boards which are usually 10'6", or 11'6" length, and are considered by the US Coast Guard to be a vessel which requires a pfd and a whistle. If a sup is used within a swim or bathing area then it is not a vessel, but in most all other uses, it is considered to be a vessel which this proposed kayak stamp law has over looked. If the US Coast Guard says a sup is a vessel, then here in NH, a sup is a vessel, and a stand up paddle board (sup) deserves a ten dollar kayak stamp similar to a kayak/canoe/rowboat/small sailboat (all without a motor) ......... legally speaking. Besides, a sup uses the lake pretty similar to a paddle kayak or canoe. www.myfwc.com/boating/regulations/paddleboard/ __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 09-12-2018 at 07:37 PM.

09-19-2018, 01:04 PM	#6
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,762 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,014 Times in 739 Posts	While the proposed ten dollar kayak stamp is a good place to start, considering that motorboat and sailboats 12' and longer both start at about $50, a twenty dollar kayak stamp is better for funding kayak associated projects like invasive plants, and launching ramps. Noticed that all three of the big blue $500 marked down to $250 family sit-on-top kayaks at the Plymouth Walmart have been sold. What's left at the Plymouth Walmart; one LifeTime Sport Fisher, sit-on-top, Angler Tandem, 10'x36", color-duck hunter dark green, with one kayak paddle, orig price $529, now $265 ….. seems like a big wide stable fishing kayak with three rod holder holes, three cup holder holes, two rod storage racks, seats two, weight 60-lb, capacity 500-lbs Will the increased tariffs on Chinese made consumer items be raising the price for this kayak …… time will tell? Good grief ….. probably should have bought it myself! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

10-08-2018, 07:05 PM	#7
rick35 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bear Island/Merrimack Posts: 807 Thanks: 58 Thanked 203 Times in 130 Posts	Kayak fees back in the news From the 10/8 Union Leader: Kayak registration? [State Rep Jeff] Goley said he plans to try again on an idea that’s been rejected by the legislature in the past — a $10 registration fee for canoes and kayaks. Boat owners pay from $24 to $34 depending on the size of their boat. Waterfront property owners in the past have complained that they should not have to pay to launch a canoe or kayak from private property. “My legislation will say only those using public access must have a decal,” said Goley. “That will be easy to police coming on and off the water, and won’t affect cabin owners and hotels along the lakes.” Another idea is to allow Fish and Game to retain the revenue from fines paid for violations related to the department’s activities, like hunting without a license. “Instead of taking that to the courts, which overburdens the courts, we could have a hearing officer conduct hearings like the Department of Safety does for minor violations, and keep the fine revenue in house,” said Goley.

10-09-2018, 01:45 AM	#9
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,762 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,014 Times in 739 Posts	..... ask for donations? Maybe just ask for donations and paddlers/rowers can mail a $10-25-50 check to a p o box, and in return, get a red, silver, or gold Fish & Game " Support NH F&G" sticker in the shape of a Dudley Do-Right character. Registering an 11' jon rowboat for use with a 30-lb thrust, electric motor on the stern, runs about $50/year, so lots of paddlers would probably volunteer for $10 or 25 which is still half price. Easy to administer and nothing to police ..... either a kayak has one or it don't .... is all the same ...... all volunteer stickers with an animated Dudley Do-Right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_Do-Right showing the F&G logo .......... a Dudley Do-Right character with the broad brim ranger hat. Many would probably kick in ten dollars just to display the funny look'n red Dudley Do-Right sticker that shows their support. Who knows ..... maybe a Dudley Do-Right, NH F&G sticker, would attract national attention and bring in more money than expected ...... strange things like that have happened .... especially if it gives people something to smile about? __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 10-09-2018 at 10:37 AM.

09-12-2018, 11:47 AM	#1
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,748 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,016 Posts	I am sorry. Is everybody in government stupid??????

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10-08-2018, 07:12 PM	#8
rick35 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bear Island/Merrimack Posts: 807 Thanks: 58 Thanked 203 Times in 130 Posts	Still need to collect fees, distribute decals, catch law breaking kayakers and collect fines. That's the part that will be easy to police.