The Dive?

pault842 · 10-16-2018, 07:50 PM

Sounds like it might be a cavitation problem. Might need to reprop and/or change the way the engines are mounted.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...18bedba9f.html

ursa minor · 10-16-2018, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pault842

Sounds like it might be a cavitation problem. Might need to reprop and/or change the way the engines are mounted.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...18bedba9f.html

That’s a timely article. It sure sounds like cavitation is a major issue in reading that. Their idea of getting custom propellers made may be the way to go, I believe the propellers for the G2 Evinrudes are specific to those engines, not a lot of aftermarket options.

fatlazyless · 10-16-2018, 10:01 PM

..... oh yeah Biggd ...... with that new propeller that's just right for powering up The Dive ....... that there barge there ..... will be gett'n up on plane just so fast ..... it will be able to pull two water skiers right off from sitt'n on that Flightcraft dock without them gett'n their knees wet ..... new propellers is all it needs to make everything go good!

..... 2019 will be the year for The Dive!

....you gotta admit ...... putt'n a huge red sail, mast and boom on the barge could make it a way cool sailboat.
……………..

Will be interesting to see what some different propellers do for moving The Dive around the lake, and if two-strokers have enough torque to make it work out good?

You know the US Coast Guard seems to have settled with using the 250-hp Honda, two or more per boat, for powering up their 35' something patrol boats. After trying all the different outboards, the Coasties go with Honda because they just need an engine that works good.

Seems like a Honda 4-stroker would have more torque with its' intake-compression-combustion-exhaust 4-cycles than an Evinrude 2-stroker with it's abbreviated, higher rpm, intake & compression - combustion & exhaust, 2-cycles?

Like, who knows ……. but maybe just maybe, Honda actually makes a 250 designed with an extra heavy gear case, a slower engine speed, and a larger propeller that is designed for pushing those slower, heavy, high water resistance loads ….. and it's named the Honda 250-b, with the b an abbreviation for barge …… like, who knows?

JADAQ · 10-17-2018, 12:52 PM

Today’s Laconia Sun has a good write up about the Dive, it also goes into more detail about the engine troubles they encountered on the high seas of Lake Winnipesaukee!

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...18bedba9f.html

Woodsy · 10-17-2018, 01:15 PM

Most likely they will have to replace the lower "foot" of the outboards... that will allow them to essentially regear the motors and allow them to swing a much larger diameter propeller slowly... giving them more control and better thrust.

the little 14" diameter props on those outboards will def not cut it...

Woodsy

winni83 · 10-17-2018, 01:39 PM

I thought that their engine problem was "solved".

From their FB page on August 18th.

"The Dive
August 18 ·
We ARE coming out to Smalls Cove!!!! Save us "our" spot please! Engine problem solved 🤞 see y'all soon! "

8gv · 10-17-2018, 10:34 PM

As an alternative approach to the water pick up issue, could forward facing scoops be afixed over the standard inlets?

Greene's Basin Girl · 10-18-2018, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 8gv

As an alternative approach to the water pick up issue, could forward facing scoops be afixed over the standard inlets?

Why not have a jet ski that can bring customers to the boat?

TiltonBB · 10-18-2018, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Greene's Basin Girl

Why not have a jet ski that can bring customers to the boat?

He is talking about cooling water to the motors. You seem to be talking about getting patrons to the boat. An entirely different issue.

fatlazyless · 10-19-2018, 05:01 AM

So's, how come semi-tractors pulling a 53' van trailer with a gross vehicle weight of up to 40-tons always have a diesel 4-stroke engine as opposed to a gasoline 2-stroke engine?

Like, what the h was they thinking when they went and got two Evinrude 2-strokes, which are actually very, very expensive ...... but just no good for pushing along a huge, heavy barge like The Dive?

TiltonBB · 10-19-2018, 06:36 AM

For many years until recently the Detroit Diesel was a 2 stroke that made plenty of power. The 6V71, 8V71, and 8V92 were 2 strokes used to power many trucks, boats, and a lot of fire apparatus. Many fire trucks and boats still use them. They fell out of favor with over the road trucks because of tighter emission restrictions.

The Evinrude Etec is a very good outboard. It has an auto winterization feature fogs the engines itself in minutes, with no trip to the dealer.

An Evinrude E-TEC engine does not require belts, camshafts or exhaust valves, which means there are fewer parts to wear down or malfunction than a four--stroke outboard.

I have owned them in the past and found the Etec to be quiet and smooth and almost maintenance free.

fatlazyless · 10-19-2018, 11:26 AM

Oh well ….. what with the big, big, high cost of a new 250hp outboard …. seems very likely The Dive will cross their arms and legs, cross all their fingers and toes ….and hope to high heaven …. their Evinrude E-Tec 250's be will good enough to get it moving good with two new and different propellers installed to replace what they have …. just got to give it a trial run ….. and think positive Evinrude thoughts!

Evinrude, Yes! …… Honda, No! ….. Evinrude, Yes! ….. Honda, No! ….. Evinrude, Yes! ….. Honda, No! ........ etcetera, etcetera, etcetera ….. and just a-keepa think'n this …… Evinrude, Yes! ….. Honda, No! …… get the message!

And, if the Evinrudes make the high heat buzzer sound up, what with the new props ..... or, they just don't cut it or something ..... there's always that 'Cash for Clunkers' program with the federal EPA .... just what got the Mount Washington their two new caterpillar diesels, back in 2009, worth $750,000 .... to replace their old 1940's diesels that made an iconic "wush-wush-wush" sound about two minutes ahead of the Mount coming around the bend ..... that "wush-wush-wush" done been replaced by an efficient but non-iconic bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sound.

Newbiesaukee · 01-08-2019, 11:36 AM

I am certain that someone can find the link but the Dive will be stationed at the Weirs for 2019. Check Facebook.

Wolfeboro_Baja · 01-23-2019, 04:15 PM

Here's the Facebook post from East Coast Flightcraft for those that haven't looked for it yet:

https://www.facebook.com/EastCoastFl...83438728496737

BoatHouse · 04-01-2019, 10:58 AM

Looks like the Dive is being copied in Boston Harbor.

Phantom Gourmet BOSTON BREAKING FOOD NEWS https://thesomervillenewsweekly.blog...ing-food-news/

billy · 04-01-2019, 11:02 AM

Phantom · 04-22-2019, 08:50 AM

Tried to open my Dive App today …………. (curious if there was any info of their new Home port)

got a pop-up saying ……... "app is no longer active"

Did the Dive drop the App????

10-16-2018, 10:01 PM	#3
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,923 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 306 Thanked 1,056 Times in 769 Posts	..... oh yeah Biggd ...... with that new propeller that's just right for powering up The Dive ....... that there barge there ..... will be gett'n up on plane just so fast ..... it will be able to pull two water skiers right off from sitt'n on that Flightcraft dock without them gett'n their knees wet ..... new propellers is all it needs to make everything go good! ..... 2019 will be the year for The Dive! ....you gotta admit ...... putt'n a huge red sail, mast and boom on the barge could make it a way cool sailboat. …………….. Will be interesting to see what some different propellers do for moving The Dive around the lake, and if two-strokers have enough torque to make it work out good? You know the US Coast Guard seems to have settled with using the 250-hp Honda, two or more per boat, for powering up their 35' something patrol boats. After trying all the different outboards, the Coasties go with Honda because they just need an engine that works good. Seems like a Honda 4-stroker would have more torque with its' intake-compression-combustion-exhaust 4-cycles than an Evinrude 2-stroker with it's abbreviated, higher rpm, intake & compression - combustion & exhaust, 2-cycles? Like, who knows ……. but maybe just maybe, Honda actually makes a 250 designed with an extra heavy gear case, a slower engine speed, and a larger propeller that is designed for pushing those slower, heavy, high water resistance loads ….. and it's named the Honda 250-b, with the b an abbreviation for barge …… like, who knows? __________________ .... Banned for life from local thrift store! Last edited by fatlazyless; 10-17-2018 at 09:55 AM.

10-17-2018, 01:15 PM	#5
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,968 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	Most likely they will have to replace the lower "foot" of the outboards... that will allow them to essentially regear the motors and allow them to swing a much larger diameter propeller slowly... giving them more control and better thrust. the little 14" diameter props on those outboards will def not cut it... Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

10-19-2018, 05:01 AM	#10
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,923 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 306 Thanked 1,056 Times in 769 Posts	.... but just no good? So's, how come semi-tractors pulling a 53' van trailer with a gross vehicle weight of up to 40-tons always have a diesel 4-stroke engine as opposed to a gasoline 2-stroke engine? Like, what the h was they thinking when they went and got two Evinrude 2-strokes, which are actually very, very expensive ...... but just no good for pushing along a huge, heavy barge like The Dive? __________________ .... Banned for life from local thrift store!

10-19-2018, 11:26 AM	#12
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,923 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 306 Thanked 1,056 Times in 769 Posts	.... get the message? Oh well ….. what with the big, big, high cost of a new 250hp outboard …. seems very likely The Dive will cross their arms and legs, cross all their fingers and toes ….and hope to high heaven …. their Evinrude E-Tec 250's be will good enough to get it moving good with two new and different propellers installed to replace what they have …. just got to give it a trial run ….. and think positive Evinrude thoughts! Evinrude, Yes! …… Honda, No! ….. Evinrude, Yes! ….. Honda, No! ….. Evinrude, Yes! ….. Honda, No! ........ etcetera, etcetera, etcetera ….. and just a-keepa think'n this …… Evinrude, Yes! ….. Honda, No! …… get the message! And, if the Evinrudes make the high heat buzzer sound up, what with the new props ..... or, they just don't cut it or something ..... there's always that 'Cash for Clunkers' program with the federal EPA .... just what got the Mount Washington their two new caterpillar diesels, back in 2009, worth $750,000 .... to replace their old 1940's diesels that made an iconic "wush-wush-wush" sound about two minutes ahead of the Mount coming around the bend ..... that "wush-wush-wush" done been replaced by an efficient but non-iconic bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sound. __________________ .... Banned for life from local thrift store! Last edited by fatlazyless; 10-20-2018 at 08:09 AM.

01-08-2019, 11:36 AM	#13
Newbiesaukee Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Coral Gables, winter; Long Island, summer Posts: 1,363 Thanks: 961 Thanked 575 Times in 300 Posts	Weirs I am certain that someone can find the link but the Dive will be stationed at the Weirs for 2019. Check Facebook. __________________ "You're only young once, but you can be immature forever."

10-16-2018, 07:50 PM	#1
pault842 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 14 Thanks: 24 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts	Sounds like it might be a cavitation problem. Might need to reprop and/or change the way the engines are mounted. https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...18bedba9f.html

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10-17-2018, 12:52 PM	#4
JADAQ Senior Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 198 Thanks: 4 Thanked 66 Times in 43 Posts	Today’s Laconia Sun has a good write up about the Dive, it also goes into more detail about the engine troubles they encountered on the high seas of Lake Winnipesaukee! https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...18bedba9f.html

10-17-2018, 01:39 PM	#6
winni83 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 437 Thanks: 17 Thanked 217 Times in 137 Posts	I thought that their engine problem was "solved". From their FB page on August 18th. "The Dive August 18 · We ARE coming out to Smalls Cove!!!! Save us "our" spot please! Engine problem solved 🤞 see y'all soon! "

10-17-2018, 10:34 PM	#7
8gv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,127 Thanks: 64 Thanked 753 Times in 487 Posts	As an alternative approach to the water pick up issue, could forward facing scoops be afixed over the standard inlets?

10-19-2018, 06:36 AM	#11
TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 3,059 Thanks: 726 Thanked 2,235 Times in 955 Posts	For many years until recently the Detroit Diesel was a 2 stroke that made plenty of power. The 6V71, 8V71, and 8V92 were 2 strokes used to power many trucks, boats, and a lot of fire apparatus. Many fire trucks and boats still use them. They fell out of favor with over the road trucks because of tighter emission restrictions. The Evinrude Etec is a very good outboard. It has an auto winterization feature fogs the engines itself in minutes, with no trip to the dealer. An Evinrude E-TEC engine does not require belts, camshafts or exhaust valves, which means there are fewer parts to wear down or malfunction than a four--stroke outboard. I have owned them in the past and found the Etec to be quiet and smooth and almost maintenance free.

01-23-2019, 04:15 PM	#14
Wolfeboro_Baja Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hopkinton NH Posts: 395 Thanks: 88 Thanked 80 Times in 46 Posts	Here's the Facebook post from East Coast Flightcraft for those that haven't looked for it yet: https://www.facebook.com/EastCoastFl...83438728496737 __________________ Cancer SUCKS!

04-01-2019, 10:58 AM	#15
BoatHouse Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 123 Thanks: 246 Thanked 46 Times in 26 Posts	Dive CopyCat Looks like the Dive is being copied in Boston Harbor. Phantom Gourmet BOSTON BREAKING FOOD NEWS https://thesomervillenewsweekly.blog...ing-food-news/ Attached Images

04-01-2019, 11:02 AM	#16
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04-22-2019, 08:50 AM	#17
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	Tried to open my Dive App today …………. (curious if there was any info of their new Home port) got a pop-up saying ……... "app is no longer active" Did the Dive drop the App???? __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*