New Hampshire court upholds women’s topless conviction

[MAXUM]

Saw that earlier today - although it was initially reported incorrectly on FOX 25's website out of Boston suggesting the opposite outcome. That was quickly corrected.

Other than that - I fail to understand why some people feel the need to engage in behavior publicly that is widely considered inappropriate.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I fail to understand why some people feel the need to engage in behavior publicly that is widely considered inappropriate.

It was once widely considered inappropriate for whites and blacks to share water fountains. Good thing we didn't leave progress up to you.

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[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

It was once widely considered inappropriate for whites and blacks to share water fountains. Good thing we didn't leave progress up to you.

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With all due respect there is a BIG difference between sanctioning what is akin to public nudity and shameful racist segregation.

That's just a dumb thing to say. Furthermore that has absolutely no place on a forum like this. PERIOD.

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

With all due respect there is a BIG difference between sanctioning what is akin to public nudity and shameful racist segregation.

That's just a dumb thing to say. Furthermore that has absolutely no place on a forum like this. PERIOD.

'think' did not say a dumb thing. You did say an immature thing back to him. Can't wait to hear your response.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

'think' did not say a dumb thing. You did say an immature thing back to him. Can't wait to hear your response.

Sorry won't dignify that with any response.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

It was once widely considered inappropriate for whites and blacks to share water fountains. Good thing we didn't leave progress up to you.

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Do you feel that their actions at the beach were justified? Would you want your children subjected to it? Personally I would not. In other parts of the world it may be acceptable but here it isn't.

This has nothing to do with her appearance either.

[TheProfessor]

Other cultures allow this.

No one here ever been to a beach or even a pool in Europe?

We can thank the Puritans for all of this. God Bless them !

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Do you feel that their actions at the beach were justified? Would you want your children subjected to it? Personally I would not. In other parts of the world it may be acceptable but here it isn't.



This has nothing to do with her appearance either.

Oh, no--the CHILDREN!!! What will we ever do if we have to educate them about body parts and respect and individuality and honesty and...

I've got 6 and 8-year-old kids, one of each sex, and I'd be comfortable explaining to both that the women are fighting for something they believe in and you know why? Because teaching my kids about double standards and self respect and body comfort and personal ownership is something I already do. I see the bullsh!t results of those parents who don't in the anxious, self-conscious students who filter through my high school classroom every day.

I mean, for real--read this: "The Laconia law on indecent exposure bans sex and nudity in public but singles out women by prohibiting the 'showing of female breast with less than a fully opaque covering of any part of the nipple.'"

We're talking about a half-dollar-sized piece of darker skin. A cone that some psycho Puritan arbitrarily decided was off-limits and offensive. A cone that every male on the planet can show with impunity.

Awesome.

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[codeman671]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Oh, no--the CHILDREN!!! What will we ever do if we have to educate them about body parts and respect and individuality and honesty and...

I've got 6 and 8-year-old kids, one of each sex, and I'd be comfortable explaining to both that the women are fighting for something they believe in and you know why? Because teaching my kids about double standards and self respect and body comfort and personal ownership is something I already do. I see the bullsh!t results of those parents who don't in the anxious, self-conscious students who filter through my high school classroom every day.

I mean, for real--read this: "The Laconia law on indecent exposure bans sex and nudity in public but singles out women by prohibiting the 'showing of female breast with less than a fully opaque covering of any part of the nipple.'"

We're talking about a half-dollar-sized piece of darker skin. A cone that some psycho Puritan arbitrarily decided was off-limits and offensive. A cone that every male on the planet can show with impunity.

Awesome.

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Pretty funny coming from the person who is terrified to have guns near our school to protect our children if I remember correctly... Tell ya what..you bend on really keeping our our children physically safe and you can have all the nipples you want.

I am not opposed to breasts, I just don’t think that Weirs Beach is the place. I never said anything about being against equality. There are nude beaches for this. At least one in Mass.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Pretty funny coming from the person who is terrified to have guns near our school to protect our children if I remember correctly... Tell ya what..you bend on really keeping our our children physically safe and you can have all the nipples you want.



I am not opposed to breasts, I just don’t think that Weirs Beach is the place. I never said anything about being against equality. There are nude beaches for this. At least one in Mass.

Deadly weapons in the hands of un/minimally trained educators vs. exposure to a natural body part that kids see most of their childhoods and on 50% of the population forever.

When you've a moment, would you kindly cite your statistics for school shootings carried out by nipples? But only women's nipples, because those are clearly the more dangerous.

Even more awesome.

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[codeman671]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Deadly weapons in the hands of un/minimally trained educators vs. the exposure to a natural body part.

When you've a moment, would you kindly cite your statistics for school shootings carried out by nipples?

Even more awesome.

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Who is the child here?? I guess we know now with that response. You have your political view and I have mine. Making stupid comparisons like that proves my point.

Talk about twisting things around. Untrained people don’t need to be handed guns to protect our children, but training is available to equip educators, or security staff (doesn’t even have to be a teacher) with the knowledge needed. Next you will be looking to protect our children with pixie sticks and magic dust.

Sorry for derailing the thread

Maybe you should watch Austin Powers. They can be dangerous...

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Making stupid comparisons like that proves my point.

Hahahaha...for real?!

#makenipplesgreatagain

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[8gv]

In our culture it is not cool for ladies to go topless except in a very small number of clothing optional locations.

That's our cultural norm.

The ordinance absolutely descriminates based on gender.

An ordinance like this will eventually reach the Supreme Court and be overturned.

After that I would expect to see very few ladies going topless.

[TheRoBoat]

Originally Posted by 8gv

An ordinance like this will eventually reach the Supreme Court and be overturned.

This may be the case.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by 8gv

An ordinance like this will eventually reach the Supreme Court and be overturned.

After that I would expect to see very few ladies going topless.

I completely agree. Once there is no longer a need to be the stand out and prove a point, this will fade away and probably still be a rarity. Then it will flip and those women will feel objectified and harassed when some creeper is taking pictures of them in the public place they asked to walk around exposed in.

I have 2 boys in catholic school, and a daughter in a catholic college. In this setting our children are a bit more sheltered than in public school. It is a diverse community by race. Our kids no nothing of race or gender discrimination. All are equal. The boys are taught both there and at home to respect women and be good citizens. The norm for women is not to walk around topless.
Maybe some people should think that there others that may not appreciate it in a family environment and take it elsewhere. Personally for me i don’t care, let them fly. But I don’t need my kids exposed to it when all they want to do is get off the boat and go for an ice cream or a few video games.

Weirs Beach is a family destination in the area. Laconia is simply trying to keep it that way. Some may choose a different place to go, hurting local businesses if they allowed it. Allow it during bike week for all I care. My kids won’t be there.
Hell maybe I would go then!

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by 8gv

An ordinance like this will eventually reach the Supreme Court and be overturned.

After that I would expect to see very few ladies going topless.

This......

[Trail Goer]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Pretty funny coming from the person who is terrified to have guns near our school to protect our children if I remember correctly... Tell ya what..you bend on really keeping our our children physically safe and you can have all the nipples you want.

I am not opposed to breasts, I just don’t think that Weirs Beach is the place. I never said anything about being against equality. There are nude beaches for this. At least one in Mass.

There's a Nudist Park in Nottingham, NH on route 125.

[garysanfran]

I always found the argument that American's should be more like Europeans when it comes to public nudity...Topless in Europe?...No big deal. Europeans hardly notice. It's the Americans that go crazy over the sight of naked breasts...And the Americans should change?

I think NOT!!!

It's the Europeans that are missing the finer appreciation of the female form.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Do you feel that their actions at the beach were justified? Would you want your children subjected to it? Personally I would not. In other parts of the world it may be acceptable but here it isn't.

This has nothing to do with her appearance either.

Breastfed children grow up seeing their mothers’ breasts, and it doesn’t seem to affect them adversely.

[Descant]

Yes, of course there is gender discximination. If I puled my shorts down in public I could get branded as a "sex offender", be restricted as to where I could live, register with the police, etc, etc. What do the ladies get? nothing like the men.
There are so many important issues...
I really have a problem understanding why it is important to be (partially) naked in public when you can be fully naked in your backyard or on the roof of your apartment building.
Unnecessary thread, Don.