Proposal to add sand to Weirs Beach

TiltonBB · 02-13-2019, 08:57 AM

It seems like this is more difficult than it needs to be when all the city is trying to do is improve a resource. And as to the policy or regulation that says since the city will "reduce the size of the lake" and that requires compensation.....................Really?

"A $70,000 study contained recommendations for how much sand should be returned, where it should be placed and measures needed to limit further erosion."

"Returning sand to the beach will slightly reduce the size of the lake. The DES mandates that such a reduction be compensated. Potential options for the city could be preservation of land in the area through the creation of a wetland."

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...719ecd03d.html

fatlazyless · 02-13-2019, 09:20 AM

To envision what the Weirs sandy beach would be like if it was totally natural, look at the rocky shoreline that's under the boardwalk, and extend that rocky shoreline all down through the existing, large sandy beach, all the way to the channel. Without no brung-it-in-here sand over these long here, last 89-years ..... it would be what beach? ..... where's the beach? ..... the Weirs without a beach!

Starting way back about 1930, sand from dredging the Weirs' channel, and outside sand pits has been used to build up the sandy beach, so this is nothing new. There's probably people on this forum who were there, at the time, back in 1930, and took a b&w photo of the sand getting dumped.

Bring it on, fix the beach, make it a totally beautiful, luxurious sandy beach that shines twinkly bright in that NH sunshine ..... even on a cloudy day!

For $3.25 the nearby Lowe's has 60-lb bags of all-purpose sand, good for winter snow/ice traction and landscape stuff ..... so why not go to Lowe's for the new sand ...... plus Lowe's will deliver with a 10% discount for the veteran who pays for it ...... making it $2.93/bag ....besides that, Lowe's sometimes has broken, distressed bags for just one dollar ...... just $1.00 .....plus a horrible foam cup of horrible courtesy coffee ...... oopsie-doopsie ...... wrong thread here? ....

Paugus Bay Resident · 02-13-2019, 09:59 AM

$70K for a study on sand. Wow

Your tax dollars at "work"

tis · 02-13-2019, 10:13 AM

I know. These studies are ridiculous. They spend as much on studies as they actually do doing things. Studies are the new "thing" in recent years. Or not so recent.

fatlazyless · 02-13-2019, 10:15 AM

How about that Maine way for stopping erosion, by lining the water's edge with 50-lb yellow, heavy paper sacks of concrete. The water seeps through the heavy yellow paper sack bag pretty quick, the concrete sets up under water, and you get a very nicely contoured line of grey concrete hugging the shoreline, stopping erosion, and saving the sandy beach from washing away.

If it works good in Maine, then it should do it here in New Hampshire, too!

Lowe's has 50-lb bags of Quikrete concrete for $3.18 each, and when you buy a pallet of 70-bags, they subtract 30%, plus they will deliver it for free, too.

So, how much does one bag weigh after it has absorbed the water and set up .... does it go from 50-lb to 100-lb, or what? Do not know?

Concrete like this consists of sand, gravel, and cement ...... with water added to make it happen ..... it will set up underwater, in the bag. It all stays inside the bag, and does not leak out into the water. And, the bags are made using biodegradable paper which gets very soft and is easy to scrape away and remove after a day, or two, or three ..... leaving a nice gray blob of concrete that contours the bottom ..... it actually looks fantastic ..... and works totally fabulous ..... very comfy and smooth enough for bare feet under the water, or at the water's edge.

MAXUM · 02-13-2019, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB

I"Returning sand to the beach will slightly reduce the size of the lake. The DES mandates that such a reduction be compensated. Potential options for the city could be preservation of land in the area through the creation of a wetland."

This is awesome.

So who exactly get's compensated here? Seems to me that each water front owner should be considering that a reduction in the size of the lake will result in the rise of the lake level and that now adversely effects those that own frontage.

Who in their right mind would purposely "create" a wetland? Are they out of their minds? In fact isn't that illegal? Either way once done forget about anything ever being done further including any required wetland buffer.

The Real BigGuy · 02-13-2019, 12:17 PM

Creating wetlands have long been in DES’s book of mitigation options. But you are correct, after they are created there is little follow up to ensure they survive.

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webmaster · 02-13-2019, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

To envision what the Weirs sandy beach would be like if it was totally natural, look at the rocky shoreline that's under the boardwalk, and extend that rocky shoreline all down through the existing, large sandy beach, all the way to the channel. Without no brung-it-in-here sand over these long here, last 89-years ..... it would be what beach? ..... where's the beach? ..... the Weirs without a beach!

This video posted in another thread shows the beach before the sand was added:

Outdoorsman · 02-13-2019, 03:31 PM

I feel like this is stating the obvious.... to those not collecting a payday by "studying it"....

Dredge the lake in front of the beach, bring that sand back to shore, dredge the channel along side the beach and bring that sand back to shore.

Send me a check for $50,000 for this solution and keep the other $50,000 to study why this was a problem in the first place.

LIforrelaxin · 02-13-2019, 04:41 PM

This all cracks me up... I say don't add Sand.... no reason to waste money doing a study... The beach wasn't part of the original landscape to begin with.... Just like the state stopped letting people put beaches in at their personal lake front property, The state shouldn't be allowed to do it either, unless they make it a perched beach....

Anyways I am grumpy and I know that... but honestly.... I am tired of seeing the lake abused.... in my opinion home owners and towns should no longer be allowed to add sand, even to existing beaches... this isn't the bahama's or Cancun....

Ok I will stop now....

Phantom · 02-13-2019, 05:44 PM

but to totally hi-jack the thread -- did you see that small cruiser (at the 44 second mark) and the wake he was throwing !! God forbid that happen today

donmac · 02-14-2019, 08:29 AM

http://weirsbeach.com/reasons-to-vis...beach-history/

Biggd · 02-14-2019, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by donmac

http://weirsbeach.com/reasons-to-vis...beach-history/

I didn't see any topless women in those photos?

thinkxingu · 02-14-2019, 10:48 AM

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I didn't see any topless women in those photos?

These were much more comfortable.

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Biggd · 02-14-2019, 11:11 AM

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These were much more comfortable.

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Is that girl on the left holding a cell phone to her ear?

gokart-mozart · 02-14-2019, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

This all cracks me up... I say don't add Sand.... no reason to waste money doing a study... The beach wasn't part of the original landscape to begin with....

Neither was the Lakeport dam. If you want to be consistent, shouldn't you want the dam removed?

The power lines weren't part of the "original landscape", either. Get rid of them?

8gv · 02-14-2019, 02:31 PM

How about this:

Add sand to the beach.

Remove The Witches.

Descant · 02-14-2019, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 8gv

How about this:
...
Remove The Witches.

ADD sand to the Witches. New sandbar, no neighbors to complain.

Nevermind. Mother Nature will do whatever she wants.

Kamper · 02-14-2019, 03:51 PM

"Replace"

They should just dredge back the sand that has spilled out.

Top-Water · 02-14-2019, 10:46 PM

Some more old photos from before there was the more familiar beach we recognize today

Library of Congress photo 1906 before there was any kind of a "beach", just rocks and rough shoreline.

Below: Just about the same time frame as the video. Maybe a little bit of sand after the vegetation at the shoreline, but not much of a beach yet.

02-13-2019, 08:57 AM	#1
TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 3,060 Thanks: 726 Thanked 2,235 Times in 955 Posts	Proposal to add sand to Weirs Beach It seems like this is more difficult than it needs to be when all the city is trying to do is improve a resource. And as to the policy or regulation that says since the city will "reduce the size of the lake" and that requires compensation.....................Really? "A $70,000 study contained recommendations for how much sand should be returned, where it should be placed and measures needed to limit further erosion." "Returning sand to the beach will slightly reduce the size of the lake. The DES mandates that such a reduction be compensated. Potential options for the city could be preservation of land in the area through the creation of a wetland." https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...719ecd03d.html Last edited by TiltonBB; 02-13-2019 at 10:07 AM.

02-13-2019, 09:20 AM	#2
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,925 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 307 Thanked 1,056 Times in 769 Posts	...... sand .... $3.25/60-lbs To envision what the Weirs sandy beach would be like if it was totally natural, look at the rocky shoreline that's under the boardwalk, and extend that rocky shoreline all down through the existing, large sandy beach, all the way to the channel. Without no brung-it-in-here sand over these long here, last 89-years ..... it would be what beach? ..... where's the beach? ..... the Weirs without a beach! Starting way back about 1930, sand from dredging the Weirs' channel, and outside sand pits has been used to build up the sandy beach, so this is nothing new. There's probably people on this forum who were there, at the time, back in 1930, and took a b&w photo of the sand getting dumped. Bring it on, fix the beach, make it a totally beautiful, luxurious sandy beach that shines twinkly bright in that NH sunshine ..... even on a cloudy day! For $3.25 the nearby Lowe's has 60-lb bags of all-purpose sand, good for winter snow/ice traction and landscape stuff ..... so why not go to Lowe's for the new sand ...... plus Lowe's will deliver with a 10% discount for the veteran who pays for it ...... making it $2.93/bag ....besides that, Lowe's sometimes has broken, distressed bags for just one dollar ...... just $1.00 .....plus a horrible foam cup of horrible courtesy coffee ...... oopsie-doopsie ...... wrong thread here? .... __________________ .... Banned for life from local thrift store! Last edited by fatlazyless; 02-13-2019 at 09:50 AM.

02-13-2019, 10:15 AM	#5
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,925 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 307 Thanked 1,056 Times in 769 Posts	..... the Maine way for stopping water erosion How about that Maine way for stopping erosion, by lining the water's edge with 50-lb yellow, heavy paper sacks of concrete. The water seeps through the heavy yellow paper sack bag pretty quick, the concrete sets up under water, and you get a very nicely contoured line of grey concrete hugging the shoreline, stopping erosion, and saving the sandy beach from washing away. If it works good in Maine, then it should do it here in New Hampshire, too! Lowe's has 50-lb bags of Quikrete concrete for $3.18 each, and when you buy a pallet of 70-bags, they subtract 30%, plus they will deliver it for free, too. So, how much does one bag weigh after it has absorbed the water and set up .... does it go from 50-lb to 100-lb, or what? Do not know? Concrete like this consists of sand, gravel, and cement ...... with water added to make it happen ..... it will set up underwater, in the bag. It all stays inside the bag, and does not leak out into the water. And, the bags are made using biodegradable paper which gets very soft and is easy to scrape away and remove after a day, or two, or three ..... leaving a nice gray blob of concrete that contours the bottom ..... it actually looks fantastic ..... and works totally fabulous ..... very comfy and smooth enough for bare feet under the water, or at the water's edge. __________________ .... Banned for life from local thrift store!

02-13-2019, 04:41 PM	#10
LIforrelaxin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas, Lake Ray Hubbard and NH, Long Island Winnipesaukee Posts: 2,923 Thanks: 1,053 Thanked 901 Times in 531 Posts	This all cracks me up... I say don't add Sand.... no reason to waste money doing a study... The beach wasn't part of the original landscape to begin with.... Just like the state stopped letting people put beaches in at their personal lake front property, The state shouldn't be allowed to do it either, unless they make it a perched beach.... Anyways I am grumpy and I know that... but honestly.... I am tired of seeing the lake abused.... in my opinion home owners and towns should no longer be allowed to add sand, even to existing beaches... this isn't the bahama's or Cancun.... Ok I will stop now.... __________________ Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....

02-13-2019, 05:44 PM	#11
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,934 Thanks: 450 Thanked 605 Times in 341 Posts	but to totally hi-jack the thread -- did you see that small cruiser (at the 44 second mark) and the wake he was throwing !! God forbid that happen today __________________ *A bad day on the Big Lake (although I've never had one) - Still beats a day at the office!!*

02-13-2019, 09:59 AM	#3
Paugus Bay Resident Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Gilmanton, NH Posts: 754 Thanks: 136 Thanked 93 Times in 51 Posts	$70K for a study on sand. Wow Your tax dollars at "work"

02-13-2019, 10:13 AM	#4
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,841 Thanks: 764 Thanked 1,474 Times in 1,029 Posts	I know. These studies are ridiculous. They spend as much on studies as they actually do doing things. Studies are the new "thing" in recent years. Or not so recent.

02-13-2019, 12:17 PM	#7
The Real BigGuy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,310 Thanks: 125 Thanked 473 Times in 288 Posts	Creating wetlands have long been in DES’s book of mitigation options. But you are correct, after they are created there is little follow up to ensure they survive. Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app

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Outdoorsman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 840 Thanks: 117 Thanked 211 Times in 133 Posts	I feel like this is stating the obvious.... to those not collecting a payday by "studying it".... Dredge the lake in front of the beach, bring that sand back to shore, dredge the channel along side the beach and bring that sand back to shore. Send me a check for $50,000 for this solution and keep the other $50,000 to study why this was a problem in the first place.

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Top-Water Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 674 Thanks: 1,535 Thanked 714 Times in 431 Posts	Some more old photos from before there was the more familiar beach we recognize today Library of Congress photo 1906 before there was any kind of a "beach", just rocks and rough shoreline. Below: Just about the same time frame as the video. Maybe a little bit of sand after the vegetation at the shoreline, but not much of a beach yet.