SB162 - Exempting Commercial Vessels from No Rafting regulations

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Here is a letter sent to the legislature by a friend of mine.... it is an interesting read.

It is my opinion as a New Hampshire resident, lake landowner and a recreational boater, applying a commercial exemption is unfair to the rights and controls that are in place today to protect both land owners and recreational boaters.

Adding "landowners" to this debate is a mistake IMO. It just cloudy's the waters so to speak.

[Descant]

A full committee work session is scheduled for 10:00 am, April 30.
At 11:00 am, they have scheduled an executive session. They could vote on SB162 or other pending bills, or perhaps, none if they don't have agreement.
Without reading that section of the law, I think they could come under special event permits instead of requiring SB162.

Overall. if the Dive is operating out of Weirs Beach and Wolfeboro, it's a slow ride to major sandbars, and I think we will see some changes to the business model. I'm sure there is better money in catering events that are pre-planned than taking your chances on a sandbar hoping to sell hot dogs on a rainy day.

[fatlazyless]

With close by $1.00/hr public parking spaces lining the street, street lights, city police, visibility from the boardwalk above, plus the immediately close 230' big white Mount Washington, plus the two 70' Sophie C and Doris E tour boats all in tight, close proximity ..... there ...... The Dive has backed itself into a very happening spot.

Is just a shame that Flightcraft totally removed that old miniature golf course. With two or three beers, that was a most fun course. Miniature golf would occupy people with some golfing fun before or after hitting The Dive ....... Fore!

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

Adding "landowners" to this debate is a mistake IMO. It just cloudy's the waters so to speak.

I absolutely disagree..... I don't think it cloudy's the water anymore the no-rafting rules to begin with.... No Rafting area's came about because of landowners in specific area's of the lake. Those land owners argued their case on the merits of safety, pollution, and noise. And those got legislation that curbed some of the activities that they objective to, that they had to consistently witness because of the proximity of their land to certain established "Rafting locations"......

I personally would like to see these rules as a whole removed, as I believe they have become a safety net for land owners, and anywhere on the lake that becomes a popular anchoring location, seems to quickly end up a no Rafting zone a few years later...

[Island Girl]

I am trying to understand how spuds work. I think they bore into the lake bottom to stabilize the craft. Does that not disturb the lake bed and cause some silt? How deep do they go?

I know the barges (and the Dive) on the lake use them. Not looking for new laws here just trying to understand how disturbing the lake bed is ok with DES.

Could I use spuds to anchor a boat or jetski for a few hours?

Sorry if this is a stupid question. Just seeking knowledge!

Go Ice Out
IG

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Island Girl

I am trying to understand how spuds work. I think they bore into the lake bottom to stabilize the craft. Does that not disturb the lake bed and cause some silt? How deep do they go?

I know the barges (and the Dive) on the lake use them. Not looking for new laws here just trying to understand how disturbing the lake bed is ok with DES.

Could I use spuds to anchor a boat or jetski for a few hours?

Sorry if this is a stupid question. Just seeking knowledge!

Go Ice Out
IG

Yes! Mostly the go fast bass boats are using them for short-term anchoring while casting for bass. No one says you can’t install one on your own boat.
They range from a simple hand operated “stick pin” to powered poles that raise and lower.

[DEJ]

IG, the bottom is disturbed in many ways. The first that comes to mind is people swimming who walk on the bottom of the lake disturbing the lake bed. Another is bass fishing people who use power poles or spuds to hold the boat in place while they fish a particular area. I am sure there are many more. Hope this helps.

[Tpaskell03254]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I absolutely disagree..... I don't think it cloudy's the water anymore the no-rafting rules to begin with.... No Rafting area's came about because of landowners in specific area's of the lake. Those land owners argued their case on the merits of safety, pollution, and noise. And those got legislation that curbed some of the activities that they objective to, that they had to consistently witness because of the proximity of their land to certain established "Rafting locations"......

I personally would like to see these rules as a whole removed, as I believe they have become a safety net for land owners, and anywhere on the lake that becomes a popular anchoring location, seems to quickly end up a no Rafting zone a few years later...

Amen to this guy. People can we stop being so over sensitive, these rafting rules are getting out of hand. And honestly becoming dangerous for all. And why does everyone care let the Dive live try and succeed. It’s a great spot if you’ve been, they get a lot of harsh criticism from people on the forum and it isn’t fair to them. If you’ve spoke with the owners they are very nice people, and the lake needed something like this. I think the lake would be a better place with the rafting zones not in existence. Very well said LIforrelaxin

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Tpaskell03254

Amen to this guy. People can we stop being so over sensitive, these rafting rules are getting out of hand. And honestly becoming dangerous for all. And why does everyone care let the Dive live try and succeed. It’s a great spot if you’ve been, they get a lot of harsh criticism from people on the forum and it isn’t fair to them. If you’ve spoke with the owners they are very nice people, and the lake needed something like this. I think the lake would be a better place with the rafting zones not in existence. Very well said LIforrelaxin

Excellent I whole heartily agree


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app

[LIforrelaxin]

If you feel strongly on the SB 162 vote to exempt spud barges (the Dive) from rafting rules, you have to speak tonight. The committee is meeting for the last time tomorrow and its a speak now type of thing. If you email your thoughts to this email address it will go to all members. After tomorrow at 10 am, this will be decided.

HouseResourcesRecreationandDevelopme....state.n h.us

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

If you feel strongly on the SB 162 vote to exempt spud barges (the Dive) from rafting rules, you have to speak tonight. The committee is meeting for the last time tomorrow and its a speak now type of thing. If you email your thoughts to this email address it will go to all members. After tomorrow at 10 am, this will be decided.



HouseResourcesRecreationandDevelopme....state.n h.us

Thanks for the info.

Cheers!

Sent from my Moto G (5S) Plus using Tapatalk

[Reilly]

Originally Posted by Tpaskell03254

Amen to this guy. People can we stop being so over sensitive, these rafting rules are getting out of hand. And honestly becoming dangerous for all. And why does everyone care let the Dive live try and succeed. It’s a great spot if you’ve been, they get a lot of harsh criticism from people on the forum and it isn’t fair to them. If you’ve spoke with the owners they are very nice people, and the lake needed something like this. I think the lake would be a better place with the rafting zones not in existence. Very well said LIforrelaxin

Dont worry about the Dive, 30 people on here Bitchin, 100 people on theDive every day

[Descant]

The House Resources Committee voted yesterday to "Retain" SB162 for more study. It will stay in the committee with no further votes until they report in October. Retained bill reports will go to the Floor of the House in January 2020.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Reilly

Dont worry about the Dive, 30 people on here Bitchin, 100 people on theDive every day

I am not worried about the Dive.... And personally I think it would be neat if the succeed, where many others have failed....

What I am worried about is bad legislation, that leaves to many loop holes. The No Rafting regulations are bad enough, but to add this exception creating loopholes will only make things worse.

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I am not worried about the Dive.... And personally I think it would be neat if the succeed, where many others have failed....

What I am worried about is bad legislation, that leaves to many loop holes. The No Rafting regulations are bad enough, but to add this exception creating loopholes will only make things worse.

Repeal the NRZ in its entirety, i would guess that those "loop holes" and at least a dozen other useless pieces of legislation would fall by the wayside as a result.