"Official" Ice Out Thread

[The Real BigGuy]

Why do people think I’ve sinks? My recollection from chemistry/physics is that ice is less dense than water an therefore always floats on/in water. Even if it is saturated (in holes, crevices, etc) with the water that surrounds it will still be more buoyant.


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[Kerk]

19 mile was dark gray with a lot of open water around the shore. I would not be surprised to see it gone ANYTIME SOON. There is a Pontoon boat in at 19 Mile bay. Every where it looked real dark and ready to go out. Wolfboro etc. Just my opinion. kerk

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Why do people think I’ve sinks? My recollection from chemistry/physics is that ice is less dense than water an therefore always floats on/in water. Even if it is saturated (in holes, crevices, etc) with the water that surrounds it will still be more buoyant.[/url]

As the ice softens through the processes of melting and sublimation, it becomes slush, which is ice saturated with water, and along the cycle back to all water, it becomes a little heavier than water, and will slowly sink.

On a sunny day, from the shore, one can stand there, and watch the glistening slush as it slowly descends downward into the depths. The slush loses its' buoyancy and very slowly sinks.

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

As the ice softens through the processes of melting and sublimation, it becomes slush, which is ice saturated with water, and along the cycle back to all water, it becomes a little heavier than water, and will slowly sink.

On a sunny day, from the shore, one can stand there, and watch the glistening slush as it slowly descends downward into the depths. The slush loses its' buoyancy and very slowly sinks.

Science is based on facts that are not open to opinion. Admittedly there are scientific questions that have yet to be answered. Like how to measure quantum mechanics? Do parallel universes exist? However the science behind ice floating is not an open question.

Try a simple internet search.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

Science is based on facts that are not open to opinion. Admittedly there are scientific questions that have yet to be answered. Like how to measure quantum mechanics? Do parallel universes exist? However the science behind ice floating is not an open question.

Try a simple internet search.

Double thanks .......... As you correctly stated "Science is based on facts that are not open to opinion."

[MAXUM]

So what do you call an "opinionated" scientist?

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

So what do you call an "opinionated" scientist?

In a one word answer?

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

So what do you call an "opinionated" scientist?

A Climate Change denier.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

A Climate Change denier.

Unless of course you read this article:

The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen, Norway.

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm

Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.



I must apologize. I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2 , 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 96 years ago. This must have been caused by the Model T Ford's emissions or possibly from horse and cattle flatulence.

[tis]

Wow, that's a good one. I must admit you had me till the last!! Sounds so familiar!!

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Unless of course you read this article:

The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen, Norway.

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm

Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.



I must apologize. I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2 , 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 96 years ago. This must have been caused by the Model T Ford's emissions or possibly from horse and cattle flatulence.

Did you start with your own beliefs then look for data or articles that support your ideas? That's hardly "scientific".

Perhaps that article was written to support a political position. Perhaps it was just wrong. Perhaps the author was simply tying to create a sensational article that would create interest. It succeed in sparking your interest 97 years later. Perhaps the author, like you, started with a preconceived notion and looked for data or reports to support that belief.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

Did you start with your own beliefs then look for data or articles that support your ideas? That's hardly "scientific".

Perhaps that article was written to support a political position. Perhaps it was just wrong. Perhaps the author was simply tying to create a sensational article that would create interest. It succeed in sparking your interest 97 years later. Perhaps the author, like you, started with a preconceived notion and looked for data or reports to support that belief.

Are we really to the point that we do not believe anything anymore? We are questioning the agenda of an article written almost 100 years ago.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Are we really to the point that we do not believe anything anymore? We are questioning the agenda of an article written almost 100 years ago.

No on both counts--

It is the agenda of people using the article today that has been questioned.

It is climate change deniers who have a hard time believing things in the face of overwhelming evidence.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

No on both counts--



It is the agenda of people using the article today that has been questioned.



It is climate change deniers who have a hard time believing things in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Sorry on both accounts. They are denying the source author of the article and I do think climate change is over exaggerated


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[Descant]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

Did you start with your own beliefs then look for data or articles that support your ideas? That's hardly "scientific".

Perhaps that article was written to support a political position. Perhaps it was just wrong. Perhaps the author was simply tying to create a sensational article that would create interest. It succeed in sparking your interest 97 years later. Perhaps the author, like you, started with a preconceived notion and looked for data or reports to support that belief.

Or perhaps we're getting bored watching ice melt?

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

Did you start with your own beliefs then look for data or articles that support your ideas? That's hardly "scientific".

Perhaps that article was written to support a political position. Perhaps it was just wrong. Perhaps the author was simply tying to create a sensational article that would create interest. It succeed in sparking your interest 97 years later. Perhaps the author, like you, started with a preconceived notion and looked for data or reports to support that belief.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by DEJ

No, it's not off topic.

With google, any nitwit can easily find multiple references on any one topic, idea, person, historical event or anything else ...... and is pretty easy to find a reference that supports what you already were thinking or whatever agenda you are promoting ..... I do it all the time.

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

No, it's not off topic.

With google, any nitwit can easily find multiple references on any one topic, idea, person, historical event or anything else ...... and is pretty easy to find a reference that supports what you already were thinking or whatever agenda you are promoting ..... I do it all the time.

I rest my case.

[Sundancer320]

Can we please keep this thread for ice conditions and open water and NOT political environmental back and forth?

[rscalzo]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

Science is based on facts that are not open to opinion. Admittedly there are scientific questions that have yet to be answered.

Like the question that has baffled man for eons.....

[trfour]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

As the ice softens through the processes of melting and sublimation, it becomes slush, which is ice saturated with water, and along the cycle back to all water, it becomes a little heavier than water, and will slowly sink.

It's Okay fll, all O them loose screws in my brain cavity get lonesome on occasion Too...

[webmaster]

In case anyone missed it here is why there was no Ice-Out yesterday. It should happen this morning. (photo by Emerson Aviation)

[jeffk]

Originally Posted by webmaster

In case anyone missed it here is why there was no Ice-Out yesterday. It should happen this morning. (photo by Emerson Aviation)

It's comedic that all the ice is gathered around the Mount in Center Harbor. I can almost imagine a bunch of boats the previous night gathering all the remaining pieces of ice from around the lake and pushing them into place for this picture.

[tis]

Originally Posted by jeffk

It's comedic that all the ice is gathered around the Mount in Center Harbor. I can almost imagine a bunch of boats the previous night gathering all the remaining pieces of ice from around the lake and pushing them into place for this picture.

It is! Years ago that ice would not have impeded ice out from being declared.

[pondguy]

Beware of sunken ice in Center Harbor bay.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by pondguy

Beware of sunken ice in Center Harbor bay.

Each and every year, it's the same ice out there, on top of the lake. What happens is that ice sinks down to the bottom in April, and then the same ice re-surfaces back up in January.

Is the cycle of ice ...... been going on around here since 1621.

[Barney Bear]

Perhaps the ice was gone before midnight on the 23rd (which was this old moth-eaten bear's guess). 🐻

[Descant]

Originally Posted by Barney Bear

Perhaps the ice was gone before midnight on the 23rd (which was this old moth-eaten bear's guess). 🐻

There used to be a raft in Weirs Bay with a flagpole that fell when the ice could not support it. That triggered a clock and an "after dark" ice out was possible. Now that we use a visual inspection, I don't think an after dark guess will win.

For the climate changers: 131 years ago there were no dock bubblers. 75 years ago, there were no dock bubblers. 50 years ago, only a few. Now, in some areas, you can't walk from shore to solid ice. Even islanders are using bubblers where not so long ago there was no electricity. Do such things affect the waters/ice? Perhaps not individually, but combined with other human activity...

[8gv]

Ice out has been declared but at the wrong date and time.

It should have been declared at 3pm on Monday as all the polls indicated it would.

I demand a recount, investigation and a do over!!!

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Each and every year, it's the same ice out there, on top of the lake. What happens is that ice sinks down to the bottom in April, and then the same ice re-surfaces back up in January.

Is the cycle of ice ...... been going on around here since 1621.

So... the Pilgrims had something to do with the "cycle of ice"?

[steve-on-mark]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

So... the Pilgrims had something to do with the "cycle of ice"?

Of course....they really wanted to take the Mayflower to Endicott Rock, not Plymouth Rock. They couldn't....iced in...

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[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

So... the Pilgrims had something to do with the "cycle of ice"?

Why yes, they did, not in an historical sense, but in a chronological sense. Prior to that winter back in 1621, there was no records kept, but starting on Feb 1, 1621, thy Pilgrims established an ice out cash lottery known as the Ice Cycle Lottery which quickly became known as the cash icicle.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Each and every year, it's the same ice out there, on top of the lake. What happens is that ice sinks down to the bottom in April, and then the same ice re-surfaces back up in January.

Is the cycle of ice ...... been going on around here since 1621.

Is that a noodle assisted resurfacing?

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Why do people think I’ve sinks? My recollection from chemistry/physics is that ice is less dense than water an therefore always floats on/in water.

You are correct It always always always always always floats.