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[Blue Thunder]

I’m always perplexed by the number of permanent docks on Winnipesaukee. There are very few of them here on Sebago, a very similar large lake with an area of open water that far eclipses the Broads. 98% of docks are removed for the winter.

BT

[fatlazyless]

Interesting how Naples, Maine, very close to Lake Segago, is home to the Great Northern Docks business, which has a yard full of seasonal aluminum docks there, and is maybe geared toward the do-it-yourself, dock home owner?

Lake Winnipesaukee and New Hampshire doesn't have a similar business where there's a yard full of docks awaiting to get purchased and hauled away.

Oh well ..... one of this state's mysteries ...... like, why not ..... where's the dock business?

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Interesting how Naples, Maine, very close to Lake Segago, is home to the Great Northern Docks business, which has a yard full of seasonal aluminum docks there, and is maybe geared toward the do-it-yourself, dock home owner?

Lake Winnipesaukee and New Hampshire doesn't have a similar business where there's a yard full of docks awaiting to get purchased and hauled away.

Oh well ..... one of this state's mysteries ...... like, why not ..... where's the dock business?

There is a dock manufacturer on route 4 in Northwood (EZ Docks) as well as Dyers in Nottingham. I bought a set of stairs from EZ last year that were well made and cheaper than the stuff locally. There are dealers in the area that sell for Great Northern as well.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

I’m always perplexed by the number of permanent docks on Winnipesaukee. There are very few of them here on Sebago, a very similar large lake with an area of open water that far eclipses the Broads. 98% of docks are removed for the winter. BT

I think the answer lies in "open water" of ice.

That larger battering-ram of ice would shift direction with every change of wind, taking every dock out.

[Biggd]

FWM Docks in Hudson NH makes a quality aluminum dock but they aren't cheap. Not a place FLL will shop though.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by ApS

I think the answer lies in "open water" of ice.

That larger battering-ram of ice would shift direction with every change of wind, taking every dock out.

For once I don't disagree with APS....

Sebago is a lot more open, and the ice as it breaks up, has a lot of room to roam...

However even with that said, Like Blue Thunder I am surprised at how many permanent docks their are on Winnipesaukee... While at times I am jealous of the convenience, with the options or articulating docks, and seasons docks, I don't think that Permanent docks are a smart idea.... But because insurance companies will insure them, and thus cover the costs of repair... well there you go....

anyway, enough .... Did I really agree with APS?!?!?!?!!?!

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

For once I don't disagree with APS....

Sebago is a lot more open, and the ice as it breaks up, has a lot of room to roam...

However even with that said, Like Blue Thunder I am surprised at how many permanent docks their are on Winnipesaukee... While at times I am jealous of the convenience, with the options or articulating docks, and seasons docks, I don't think that Permanent docks are a smart idea.... But because insurance companies will insure them, and thus cover the costs of repair... well there you go....

anyway, enough .... Did I really agree with APS?!?!?!?!!?!

Insurance companies may cover damage to a permanent dock, but that is a double edged sword. One loss ok, multiple losses, say goodbye to your insurance policy; frequency of claims and/or excessive high claim cost. (Don't shoot me or yell at me just because I was an underwriter in personal lines insurance)

Seasonal docks, less susceptible to major damage. Better risk.

Dave

[Descant]

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

Insurance companies may cover damage to a permanent dock, but that is a double edged sword. One loss ok, multiple losses, say goodbye to your insurance policy; frequency of claims and/or excessive high claim cost. (Don't shoot me or yell at me just because I was an underwriter in personal lines insurance)

Seasonal docks, less susceptible to major damage. Better risk.

Dave

I, too was a part of personal lines insurance (sales) for 25 years., Docks were excluded from ice damage in homeowner policies. I went on to other things 20 years ago, so maybe things have changed, but I doubt it. I agree with Upthesaukee's summary. If you had ice damage covered by insurance, I'd be interested to know when, what company, the type of policy, and what happened at renewal time. Personal experience only, please, not "my neighbor said".

[winterh]

As far as I know insurance does not cover docks. Mine got taken out big time about 5 years ago and had some minor damage this year. Every season I just cross my fingers and hope the wind stays calm. My old house had the crank up docks and they were great as far as staying safe from the ice. One reason I would not change back is my new house has a grandfathered permanent dock setup that while always at risk of getting hit is big and wide and much nicer than anything I could get in a crank up.

[ApS]

If I were to replace my piling dock, I'd make it articulated as well.

I'd previously described a two-section hybrid dock, here and here, but my new hybrid design would have three sections.

The innermost section would be on pilings, because the lake is low when the ice is exerting its greatest pressure—plus, those pilings can be driven deeper. (Our hefty innermost pilings haven't moved in 30+ years).

The outermost aluminum section would fold into an "L" with the middle section, Then reattach the cable and pull the two sections into a triangle atop the first section. Then bolted securely against winter winds, like so ➸ ——/\

This design also reduces the exposure to a lightning strike.

Starting with a boom and a jack, I'm still working on the mechanisms needed to unfold it.

Originally Posted by ApS

I think the answer lies in "open water" of ice. That larger battering-ram of ice would shift direction with every change of wind, taking every dock out.

...later...

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

For once I don't disagree with APS....Sebago is a lot more open, and the ice as it breaks up, has a lot of room to roam...
However even with that said, Like Blue Thunder I am surprised at how many permanent docks their are on Winnipesaukee... While at times I am jealous of the convenience, with the options or articulating docks, and seasons docks, I don't think that Permanent docks are a smart idea.... But because insurance companies will insure them, and thus cover the costs of repair... well there you go....anyway, enough .... Did I really agree with APS?!?!?!?!!?!

I must be wrong.