Undiagnosed stalling concern

LaFuga · 07-01-2019, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Descant

If you, or he marina, do nothing, will it start 'tomorrow' after being shut down and fully cooled? Does the boat have gauges or just warning lights? i.e. how does the temperature gauge read over time?

Temp stays at 150-160 all the time, but yes, it will start back up later on

swnoel · 07-01-2019, 11:09 AM

Sounds like those guys in Dover will fix it this time for another $900... you could have put on all those parts for a lot less and still got the same results!

LaFuga · 07-01-2019, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by swnoel

Sounds like those guys in Dover will fix it this time for another $900... you could have put on all those parts for a lot less and still got the same results!

I'm feeling the same except there's no way I'm paying them another penny... Seeing I just bought the boat, it's nice to know I've got all these parts replaced now, but the next attempt has gotta be on them... I've been very patient and respectful so there should be no argument they need to make this right by no more charges

Charlie T · 07-01-2019, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LaFuga

I'm feeling the same except there's no way I'm paying them another penny... Seeing I just bought the boat, it's nice to know I've got all these parts replaced now, but the next attempt has gotta be on them... I've been very patient and respectful so there should be no argument they need to make this right by no more charges

It sounds like you need to find a real "Technician" vs just a parts changer who is using your money to throw parts at the problem in hopes of hitting the problem.
I'd give them another chance with the understanding that you are paying for no more unneeded parts and labor. Did you hopefully pay for the previous repairs with a CCD?

LaFuga · 07-01-2019, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie T

It sounds like you need to find a real "Technician" vs just a parts changer who is using your money to throw parts at the problem in hopes of hitting the problem.
I'd give them another chance with the understanding that you are paying for no more unneeded parts and labor. Did you hopefully pay for the previous repairs with a CCD?

Actually, I payed cash but have all the customer bill copies. And I'd never be able to take the boat without paying..
I'm in deep so I need to keep with them till its figured out without paying for another bill. Going to someone new and paying all over again isn't in the budget this year

robmac · 07-01-2019, 01:09 PM

I would strongly demand they get in the boat so they experience what you've been dealing with! testing out of water with a pair of ears does not mimic a loaded situation as on the water.I agree taking off the fuel cap when she dies is a great idea.

MDoug · 07-01-2019, 01:54 PM

MY 2003 Doral with Mercruiser had same symptoms, After extensive troubleshooting at marina, issue turned out to be a rubber washer on high pressure fuel pump.

LaFuga · 07-01-2019, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by robmac

I would strongly demand they get in the boat so they experience what you've been dealing with! testing out of water with a pair of ears does not mimic a loaded situation as on the water.I agree taking off the fuel cap when she dies is a great idea.

Yea, I've takn off the fuel cap and no change.. And believe it or not, they took the boat out for them selfs after the fuel pump replacement and it didn't act up for them! Don't think they stayed in it long enough tho

LaFuga · 07-01-2019, 03:36 PM

So I just got the word from the tech that it was vapor locked. He said after talking to mercury, they told him to install a boost pump kit for the problem. Anyone think that's the problem?? God knows how much they will ask me to pay this time....

camp guy · 07-01-2019, 06:30 PM

I think I read in one post that the boat had been out of the water for two years; and I haven't read where it came from - private sale individual, used boat from a marina, other. What I am driving at is that the previous owner may be a source of either similar problems (and what was the solution) or a record of previous maintenance either by an owner or marina.

I wish you all the good luck in the world, my friend.

8gv · 07-01-2019, 08:52 PM

You typed “1974” and say it has EFI.

Is that a typo? Was it repowered?

I cannot imagine it being a 1974 with EFI.

If 1974 is correct, as stated above, pull the tank pick up, it is very nasty!

LaFuga · 07-02-2019, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 8gv

You typed “1974” and say it has EFI.

Is that a typo? Was it repowered?

I cannot imagine it being a 1974 with EFI.

If 1974 is correct, as stated above, pull the tank pick up, it is very nasty!

not a typo, the people who bought it from the original owners who moved away to florida says the first people redid the boat a couple years ago and removed the original driveline and put all new in, including updating the engine from a 6cyl to a 305 fuel injected mercruiser. and, says that the fuel tank was replaced all at the same time... i looked at the tank under the bow and it does look new... the marina says that the driveline also looks new. they put new guages in it also and i was told, and it does say on the gauges that its got 340 hours on it.. my marina told me yesterday that they now found it vapor locked and mercury told them to install a boost pump kit. they say they have checked all wires and vent line and this is what they say will finally fix it....im of course very skeptical ...so we will see....i just feel i shouldnt have to pay any more seeing the first diag was the cap and rotor, second diag was a new fuel pump...now this "pump kit"... idk....super aggravated

LaFuga · 07-02-2019, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by camp guy

I think I read in one post that the boat had been out of the water for two years; and I haven't read where it came from - private sale individual, used boat from a marina, other. What I am driving at is that the previous owner may be a source of either similar problems (and what was the solution) or a record of previous maintenance either by an owner or marina.

I wish you all the good luck in the world, my friend.

Hey there, heres where i hit a brick wall....i bought it from a private sale up north. The story i got was it was a one owner and they sold it when they moved to florida to a friend of the family. this friend is who i bought it from. he said he never had it in the water like he had thought he would, and never ran it. he gave me all the good stories for it, saying it once had a 6cyl and the original owners put a 305 gm new motor in it with all new outdrive, gas tank etc...all which the marina says was done nicely..but when i wanted to reach out to the original family, this guy said they sold it to him with sentimental feelings, so he didnt want them to know he had sold it...so dead end on talking to them... ill keep trying to find out who the last marina was to get more answers..but my marina told me yesterday that they called mercury and they told them to put a boost pump kit in it because the marina said it was vapor locked....thats where i stand at this moment....

8gv · 07-02-2019, 08:42 AM

I have spoken to Mercury many times via telephone.

They are quite generous with their time and expertise.

I am not saying that the marina is wrong or lying but you may wish to get some additional confirmation on your own.

Be advised that there can be variance in the knowledge and experience level of the tech you reach on any particular day.

If you call Mercury, have the model and serial number of the engine handy.

Here is their number:

(920) 929-5040

8gv · 07-02-2019, 08:46 AM

The parts that have been put in so far may not have been needed but they will benefit you.

I suggest that you negotiate for free labor for the boost pump if you choose to have it installed.

garysanfran · 07-02-2019, 09:32 AM

Wherever he is!

LaFuga · 07-02-2019, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 8gv

I have spoken to Mercury many times via telephone.

They are quite generous with their time and expertise.

I am not saying that the marina is wrong or lying but you may wish to get some additional confirmation on your own.

Be advised that there can be variance in the knowledge and experience level of the tech you reach on any particular day.

If you call Mercury, have the model and serial number of the engine handy.

Here is their number:

(920) 929-5040

Thank you very much! I will do that!

07-01-2019, 01:54 PM	#7
MDoug Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 342 Thanks: 116 Thanked 42 Times in 39 Posts	Stalling MY 2003 Doral with Mercruiser had same symptoms, After extensive troubleshooting at marina, issue turned out to be a rubber washer on high pressure fuel pump.

07-01-2019, 06:30 PM	#10
camp guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: formerly Winter Harbor, still Wolfeboro Posts: 1,193 Thanks: 302 Thanked 528 Times in 295 Posts	Undiagnosed stalling problem I think I read in one post that the boat had been out of the water for two years; and I haven't read where it came from - private sale individual, used boat from a marina, other. What I am driving at is that the previous owner may be a source of either similar problems (and what was the solution) or a record of previous maintenance either by an owner or marina. I wish you all the good luck in the world, my friend.

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07-01-2019, 11:09 AM	#2
swnoel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 529 Thanks: 83 Thanked 194 Times in 118 Posts	Sounds like those guys in Dover will fix it this time for another $900... you could have put on all those parts for a lot less and still got the same results!

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07-01-2019, 01:09 PM	#6
robmac Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashua,Meredith Posts: 951 Thanks: 213 Thanked 106 Times in 81 Posts	I would strongly demand they get in the boat so they experience what you've been dealing with! testing out of water with a pair of ears does not mimic a loaded situation as on the water.I agree taking off the fuel cap when she dies is a great idea.

07-01-2019, 03:36 PM	#9
LaFuga Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: berwick Posts: 14 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So I just got the word from the tech that it was vapor locked. He said after talking to mercury, they told him to install a boost pump kit for the problem. Anyone think that's the problem?? God knows how much they will ask me to pay this time....

07-01-2019, 08:52 PM	#11
8gv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,113 Thanks: 64 Thanked 748 Times in 482 Posts	You typed “1974” and say it has EFI. Is that a typo? Was it repowered? I cannot imagine it being a 1974 with EFI. If 1974 is correct, as stated above, pull the tank pick up, it is very nasty!

07-02-2019, 08:42 AM	#14
8gv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,113 Thanks: 64 Thanked 748 Times in 482 Posts	I have spoken to Mercury many times via telephone. They are quite generous with their time and expertise. I am not saying that the marina is wrong or lying but you may wish to get some additional confirmation on your own. Be advised that there can be variance in the knowledge and experience level of the tech you reach on any particular day. If you call Mercury, have the model and serial number of the engine handy. Here is their number: (920) 929-5040

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07-02-2019, 08:46 AM	#15
8gv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,113 Thanks: 64 Thanked 748 Times in 482 Posts	The parts that have been put in so far may not have been needed but they will benefit you. I suggest that you negotiate for free labor for the boost pump if you choose to have it installed.

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