What happened to the Dive today?

[joey2665]

Anyone have any info on this “incident “. I can’t find anything on their Facebook page.


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[fatlazyless]

.....is the barge that doesn't run a-ground on Smith Point

If The Dive big barge had a problem with its twin outboards or lost steering or just got blown ashore or something it could have used some auxiliary paddle power to stay safe.

Six of those long handled stand up paddle board paddles could paddle it on course and be something for the customers to do on calm waters, just for the fun of paddling ..... yo heave ho ...... paddle, paddle, paddle ..... that they 're is Smith Point up ahead ..... so everybody ...... paddle, paddle, paddle! ...

[JADAQ]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Anyone have any info on this “incident “. I can’t find anything on their Facebook page.


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They were taking cover from the storm and ducked into a cove, some “unhappy” person who apparently thinks they own the water in front of their place called the police to complain they had dropped anchor for a short period to wait out the weather....

[Top-Water]

Thank you a for the meaningful post and possible explanation what took place.

Unlike the stupidity posted previously to yours, that is a joke of some sort that has really ran it's course.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by JADAQ

They were taking cover from the storm and ducked into a cove, some “unhappy” person who apparently thinks they own the water in front of their place called the police to complain they had dropped anchor for a short period to wait out the weather....

Thank you for the update I appreciate the information.


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[Momo]

Well, I can’t speak about the neighbor who called Marine Patrol, but I would certainly have called them too if a vessel that big was headed toward my property. And not because of the property, but because there were many crew on board running all over the deck. It was going way faster than headway speed and crashed into rocks on Smith Point we saw and heard it. If it was truly seeking safe haven it could have gone into Glidden Cove or near one of the many docks. I watched it and knew it was in trouble.

It was disabled for a while even after it was pulled out away from the shore by boats. The Dive obviously had some kind of issue and was not just taking safe harbor. Believe what you want, but I saw it. The main thing is that it appears that nobody was hurt. Makes me realize how challenging it is to captain the Dive.

[ApS]

A 2-story barge would be a handful.

A few years ago, a regular barge lost an excavator overboard into 85 feet of water.

(Recovered later).

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Momo

Well, I can’t speak about the neighbor who called Marine Patrol, but I would certainly have called them too if a vessel that big was headed toward my property. And not because of the property, but because there were many crew on board running all over the deck. It was going way faster than headway speed and crashed into rocks on Smith Point we saw and heard it. If it was truly seeking safe haven it could have gone into Glidden Cove or near one of the many docks. I watched it and knew it was in trouble.

It was disabled for a while even after it was pulled out away from the shore by boats. The Dive obviously had some kind of issue and was not just taking safe harbor. Believe what you want, but I saw it. The main thing is that it appears that nobody was hurt. Makes me realize how challenging it is to captain the Dive.

Very helpful. Perhaps not quite engineered for heavy weather, and/or lacking appropriate backup systems. The margin of error disappears when a boat is that big and boxy. Glad no one was hurt

[ishoot308]

None of the winni Barges do good in wind. Anybody who has ever had work done on the lake by a barge realizes the limitations these large crafts have in the wind. With the dive being two stories high, it must be challenging to say the least. A learning curve for sure!

Glad no one was hurt!

Dan

[Lovehtelake]

To the person who posted that the Dive had dropped anchor to take safe harbor... please get your facts correct before you post. Were your there? I was.

I have no feeling for the Dive either way. However, I watched the entire event from a few doors down. The truth is there was no anchor dropped. The barge rammed into the rocks after coming straight in to Smith Point at a surprisingly fast rate of speed. It was obvious to anyone who was there to witness it, that the captain did not have command of the Dive. Regardless of the reason - it ran aground and just missed a boathouse. If the captain had control and was truly seeking safe harbor, Glidden Cove was wide open. This would have been a better option for safety rather than crashing into rocks in someones waterfront. After it was pulled out by another boat, it sat between Sleepers and Smith Point for a while. I saw two jets skis circling around like they were trying to help.

Today’s Posts make a good point about how hard it is to navigate a barge on the lake and I believe it. After watching this calamity last night, it convinced me that the only time I would ever go on the Dive is when it is securely tied up to a dock.

Based on how the barge hit the rocks, there had to be damage and that may be why they were closed today. Or perhaps they all just wanted to enjoy a beautiful day on the lake.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by Lovehtelake

To the person who posted that the Dive had dropped anchor to take safe harbor... please get your facts correct before you post. Were your there? I was.

I have no feeling for the Dive either way. However, I watched the entire event from a few doors down. The truth is there was no anchor dropped. The barge rammed into the rocks after coming straight in to Smith Point at a surprisingly fast rate of speed. It was obvious to anyone who was there to witness it, that the captain did not have command of the Dive. Regardless of the reason - it ran aground and just missed a boathouse. If the captain had control and was truly seeking safe harbor, Glidden Cove was wide open. This would have been a better option for safety rather than crashing into rocks in someones waterfront. After it was pulled out by another boat, it sat between Sleepers and Smith Point for a while. I saw two jets skis circling around like they were trying to help.

Today’s Posts make a good point about how hard it is to navigate a barge on the lake and I believe it. After watching this calamity last night, it convinced me that the only time I would ever go on the Dive is when it is securely tied up to a dock.

Based on how the barge hit the rocks, there had to be damage and that may be why they were closed today. Or perhaps they all just wanted to enjoy a beautiful day on the lake.

Welcome to the forum,

Originally Posted by Lovehtelake

The barge rammed into the rocks after coming straight in to Smith Point at a surprisingly fast rate of speed.

What would you estimate that speed to be 10, 20, 30, or 40mph.

[winnisummergal]

JADAQ - I’m sorry but your post is not accurate. lakehtelover has a more accurate depiction of what occurred. I was on scene and although I will not elaborate on the other issues the Dive had while trying to remove themselves from from running aground, I just wanted to set record straight and avoid mistruths. It was very scary for all involved.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by winnisummergal

JADAQ - I’m sorry but your post is not accurate. lakehtelover has a more accurate depiction of what occurred. I was on scene and although I will not elaborate on the other issues the Dive had while trying to remove themselves from from running aground, I just wanted to set record straight and avoid mistruths. It was very scary for all involved.

Thank you for posting and leaving out an editorial bashing.

[kawishiwi]

So now we know the dive is a hazard in itself in addition to being ugly, out of place, and a misuse of the state park of Winni.
Sounds like a combination of defective design and incompetent seamanship.
Hopefully they will tie this monstrosity up somewhere and leave it there.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

So now we know the dive is a hazard in itself in addition to being ugly, out of place, and a misuse of the state park of Winni.
Sounds like a combination of defective design and incompetent seamanship.
Hopefully they will tie this monstrosity up somewhere and leave it there.

Perhaps you should notify Wikipedia, Lake Winnipesaukee is not listed as a New Hampshire State Park.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...re_state_parks

From this great thread from Rattlesnake Gal
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...ead.php?t=1194

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Perhaps you should notify Wikipedia, Lake Winnipesaukee is not listed as a New Hampshire State Park.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...re_state_parks

From this great thread from Rattlesnake Gal
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...ead.php?t=1194

It's not officially LISTED as a state park. But it functions as a state owned 'park'. It's owned by the state for the outdoor enjoyment of the public.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

It's not officially LISTED as a state park. But it functions as a state owned 'park'. It's owned by the state for the outdoor enjoyment of the public.

Anything you say as long as they clear the enjoyment of the public with you first.

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Anything you say as long as they clear the enjoyment of the public with you first.

Hey good job! You're catching on.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

So now we know the dive is a hazard in itself in addition to being ugly, out of place, and a misuse of the state park of Winni. Sounds like a combination of defective design and incompetent seamanship Hopefully they will tie this monstrosity up somewhere and leave it there.

I wonder if the Dive was overpowered by wind gusts, and a sustained application of REVERSE was the failed answer.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by ApS

I wonder if the Dive was overpowered by wind gusts, and a sustained application of REVERSE was the failed answer.

Interesting question. The wind force on a 2-story box like that must be massive--I'm amazed how much navigating my 20' pontoon changes in the wind with just the bimini up.

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[welch-time]

So where's the pictures?
Sounds like this was observed by lots of people, but no pics.

[Woodsy]

On its BEST day the Dive can't go faster than 5MPH..... They usually cruise at 4 MPH as they get way better fuel economy. So the claims of faster than "headway speed" are ludicrous!

Perhaps it was a mechanical failure of some sort? (Their engine woes were well documented here last year). The Mount and its sisters have also had mechanical issues...

Perhaps it was a storm/wind issue...

Either way, it will eventually all come out. Be happy nobody was hurt, nothing but the Dive was damaged (if there even was any damage those barges are pretty rugged).

Woodsy

[dt5150]

i saw it tied up next to ellacoya on saturday morning. sunday morning, it was gone.

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Perhaps it was a mechanical failure of some sort? (Their engine woes were well documented here last year). The Mount and its sisters have also had mechanical issues...

Woodsy

I agree on potential mechanical. Tuftonboro Fire Boat had to transfer patient to MP boat during Ragged rescue attempt because its outboards were overheating from high speed run. If Dive was running WOT to fight the wind they could have suffered same fate.


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[joey2665]

Whatever happened it could not have been to serious as they will be open this Wednesday the 10th per their facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/thedivel...=page_internal

[ApS]

What size anchor could have actually held that huge wind-driven box of a "structure"?

A "SEA-anchor" would have delayed their inevitable "landing".

Originally Posted by Woodsy

On its BEST day the Dive can't go faster than 5MPH..... They usually cruise at 4 MPH as they get way better fuel economy. So the claims of faster than "headway speed" are ludicrous! Perhaps it was a mechanical failure of some sort? (Their engine woes were well documented here last year). The Mount and its sisters have also had mechanical issues...
Perhaps it was a storm/wind issue... Either way, it will eventually all come out. Be happy nobody was hurt, nothing but the Dive was damaged (if there even was any damage those barges are pretty rugged). Woodsy

"Wind and storm issues".

Yup, beyond the control of the captain.

[Lovehtelake]

We all said the exact same thing when we saw the crash You don’t see things like that every day.

Now it is time to leave this negative thread.
Best wishes to all for a happy and safe summer!

[dave603]

Originally Posted by ApS

I wonder if the Dive was overpowered by wind gusts, and a sustained application of REVERSE was the failed answer.

I heard that they were tied up last week due to a reverse problem. Maybe it happened again?

[Woodsy]

The were down at Lakeshore Park for a private party there....

I don't know of any "reverse" problems, but maybe? I do know the owners usually make a "Game Day" call on leaving the dock for a sandbar.

I can say they were at Braun Bay for the 4th and did a BANGING business! There was a line to get on the boat ALL DAY!


Woodsy

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

I do know the owners usually make a "Game Day" call on leaving the dock for a sandbar.


Woodsy

This is just another aspect of the same flaw--no margin for error. It's a long day! When a typical boat makes a Game Day call he can travel at 30mph if the weather starts to turn, navigate easily into small coves, anchor in less than a minute, withstand wind and waves with a normal hull, not get blown by 2 stories of building, not worry about being top heavy, not worry about a large number of passengers...

[Woodsy]

There is plenty of margin for error.... the game day call is a result of business. Will I make more money staying at the Weirs Pier? or more money out at one of the sandbars?

On weekends with nice weather, the sandbar is the right call. (Judging from the crowd I saw on the Dive on the the 4th)

This is only their 1st full year of operation.... they are still on the learning curve. They will get it dialed in!


Woodsy

[Reilly]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

The were down at Lakeshore Park for a private party there....

I don't know of any "reverse" problems, but maybe? I do know the owners usually make a "Game Day" call on leaving the dock for a sandbar.

I can say they were at Braun Bay for the 4th and did a BANGING business! There was a line to get on the boat ALL DAY!


Woodsy

They did the same at Lake Shore Park, Lines all day & nite, Thats why it was still there in morn, everyone had a great time

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

So now we know the dive is a hazard in itself

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

So far, we sort of know there was some kind of issue. From the details available, it does not seem reasonable to conclude that this is a systemic issue with the vessel, or a 1-time issue.

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

in addition to being ugly,

Subjective, and if all "ugly" boats, people, and properties were removed from the lake, it would be a pretty barren spot.

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

out of place, and a misuse of the state park of Winni.

Link to data/regulations/etc. that define "misuse", or "proper use"?

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

Sounds like a combination of defective design and incompetent seamanship.
Hopefully they will tie this monstrosity up somewhere and leave it there.

Sounds like you need a hobby.

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

So far, we sort of know there was some kind of issue. From the details available, it does not seem reasonable to conclude that this is a systemic issue with the vessel, or a 1-time issue.

Subjective, and if all "ugly" boats, people, and properties were removed from the lake, it would be a pretty barren spot.

Link to data/regulations/etc. that define "misuse", or "proper use"?

Sounds like you need a hobby.

Sounds like you might be the one in need a of a hobby beyond making multi part blow hard responses to posts at 8:30 in the morning.

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

Sounds like you might be the one in need a of a hobby beyond making multi part blow hard responses to posts at 8:30 in the morning.

I have quite a few hobbies. One of them is calling out people who make indefensible forum posts.

Nice to see you offer exactly zero valid responses to any of my comments/questions and instead resort to a schoolyard-level response.

[Momo]

So if the people in shore who were affected took photos of the situation and the Dive must have video from their on board cameras.... what is the debate here? It should all be captured .

[Lovehtelake]

You should applaud those of us on shore who took photos and videos and have not posted them. We are happy that nobody was hurt and have no intention of inflaming the situation. I heard the Dive has video cameras on several areas of the boat so if you really want to see for yourself... ask them.

[Woodsy]

Lovethelake..... I did just that! I reached out to the owners of the Dive, I know them to be pretty nice people. This was their reply....

"So the real story is, we were just seeking shelter from the storm, it wasn’t that bad but with the winds gusting we could barely power through the waves at just over headway speed, about 4 mph. With the gusting winds we decided it would be best to seek shelter in a cove and to wait out the storm. So we drove into the cove by Smith Point. We were absolutely under control. We were at least 25’ off of shore and dropped our spuds to wait out the storm. Unfortunately, our front spud got caught in the rocky terrain, our rear spud was unable to reach as it was way deeper than 16’.., so we spun to a point where the the front spud was slightly tweaked. This was a problem and we quickly solved with tools on board for such a problem.

In the meantime, a woman and her husband came out to her dock to hurl profanities at us in front of 16 old children. Saying and I quote “ Are you fuc@$ng kidding me” “ get the fu$& out of here” (We have this on video) I promptly called the MP, to advise them of our situation (seeking shelter in the cove and the people acting like jerks) I for one would ALWAYS offer to help anyone in a storm situation... not yell obscenities!


Ultimately the marine patrol and a state police officer came to see me and them at my request because of the obscenities that were being hurled ( which we have recorded). We were told by the MP that we did absolutely nothing wrong and that the miserable people yelling were told they don’t own the lake. Even the MP’s had to take shelter which they also told us.

For the record...

A) We don’t anchor.. we don’t even carry anchors. We spud.

B) I’ve never ever been over 5.5 MPH, so I have no idea how in high headway winds we could have been traveling in a unsafe speed.

The haters and the liars who have trying their hardest to hurt us make me laugh as they have absolutely nothing better to do in their pathetic boring lives but to start lies and smear campaigns because they are miserable human beings.

And if anyone thinks I’m lying, feel free to look at the police report."

They sent a pic that I have attached.


Woodsy

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Lovethelake..... I did just that! I reached out to the owners of the Dive, I know them to be pretty nice people. This was their reply....

"So the real story is, we were just seeking shelter from the storm, it wasn’t that bad but with the winds gusting we could barely power through the waves at just over headway speed, about 4 mph. With the gusting winds we decided it would be best to seek shelter in a cove and to wait out the storm. So we drove into the cove by Smith Point. We were absolutely under control. We were at least 25’ off of shore and dropped our spuds to wait out the storm. Unfortunately, our front spud got caught in the rocky terrain, our rear spud was unable to reach as it was way deeper than 16’.., so we spun to a point where the the front spud was slightly tweaked. This was a problem and we quickly solved with tools on board for such a problem.

In the meantime, a woman and her husband came out to her dock to hurl profanities at us in front of 16 old children. Saying and I quote “ Are you fuc@$ng kidding me” “ get the fu$& out of here” (We have this on video) I promptly called the MP, to advise them of our situation (seeking shelter in the cove and the people acting like jerks) I for one would ALWAYS offer to help anyone in a storm situation... not yell obscenities!


Ultimately the marine patrol and a state police officer came to see me and them at my request because of the obscenities that were being hurled ( which we have recorded). We were told by the MP that we did absolutely nothing wrong and that the miserable people yelling were told they don’t own the lake. Even the MP’s had to take shelter which they also told us.

For the record...

A) We don’t anchor.. we don’t even carry anchors. We spud.

B) I’ve never ever been over 5.5 MPH, so I have no idea how in high headway winds we could have been traveling in a unsafe speed.

The haters and the liars who have trying their hardest to hurt us make me laugh as they have absolutely nothing better to do in their pathetic boring lives but to start lies and smear campaigns because they are miserable human beings.

And if anyone thinks I’m lying, feel free to look at the police report."

They sent a pic that I have attached.


Woodsy

Thanks Woodsy for posting this...it’s truly amazing how things get twisted and distorted to the point that the final story ends up being a complete and fabricated falsehood... The Dive did the absolute right and safe thing. The a**wipes on shore should be fined!

[steve-on-mark]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Lovethelake..... I did just that! I reached out to the owners of the Dive, I know them to be pretty nice people. This was their reply....

"So the real story is, we were just seeking shelter from the storm, it wasn’t that bad but with the winds gusting we could barely power through the waves at just over headway speed, about 4 mph. With the gusting winds we decided it would be best to seek shelter in a cove and to wait out the storm. So we drove into the cove by Smith Point. We were absolutely under control. We were at least 25’ off of shore and dropped our spuds to wait out the storm. Unfortunately, our front spud got caught in the rocky terrain, our rear spud was unable to reach as it was way deeper than 16’.., so we spun to a point where the the front spud was slightly tweaked. This was a problem and we quickly solved with tools on board for such a problem.

In the meantime, a woman and her husband came out to her dock to hurl profanities at us in front of 16 old children. Saying and I quote “ Are you fuc@$ng kidding me” “ get the fu$& out of here” (We have this on video) I promptly called the MP, to advise them of our situation (seeking shelter in the cove and the people acting like jerks) I for one would ALWAYS offer to help anyone in a storm situation... not yell obscenities!


Ultimately the marine patrol and a state police officer came to see me and them at my request because of the obscenities that were being hurled ( which we have recorded). We were told by the MP that we did absolutely nothing wrong and that the miserable people yelling were told they don’t own the lake. Even the MP’s had to take shelter which they also told us.

For the record...

A) We don’t anchor.. we don’t even carry anchors. We spud.

B) I’ve never ever been over 5.5 MPH, so I have no idea how in high headway winds we could have been traveling in a unsafe speed.

The haters and the liars who have trying their hardest to hurt us make me laugh as they have absolutely nothing better to do in their pathetic boring lives but to start lies and smear campaigns because they are miserable human beings.

And if anyone thinks I’m lying, feel free to look at the police report."

They sent a pic that I have attached.


Woodsy

When the Dive is headed to Braun Bay, it comes right by the house...I could kayak faster than it's rate of speed. I know how difficult my pontoon is to handle in winds like that, so if the situation arises that you need to take shelter, feel free..as long as you invite me on board!

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[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Lovethelake..... I did just that! I reached out to the owners of the Dive, I know them to be pretty nice people. This was their reply....

"So the real story is, we were just seeking shelter from the storm, it wasn’t that bad but with the winds gusting we could barely power through the waves at just over headway speed, about 4 mph. With the gusting winds we decided it would be best to seek shelter in a cove and to wait out the storm. So we drove into the cove by Smith Point. We were absolutely under control. We were at least 25’ off of shore and dropped our spuds to wait out the storm. Unfortunately, our front spud got caught in the rocky terrain, our rear spud was unable to reach as it was way deeper than 16’.., so we spun to a point where the the front spud was slightly tweaked. This was a problem and we quickly solved with tools on board for such a problem.

In the meantime, a woman and her husband came out to her dock to hurl profanities at us in front of 16 old children. Saying and I quote “ Are you fuc@$ng kidding me” “ get the fu$& out of here” (We have this on video) I promptly called the MP, to advise them of our situation (seeking shelter in the cove and the people acting like jerks) I for one would ALWAYS offer to help anyone in a storm situation... not yell obscenities!


Ultimately the marine patrol and a state police officer came to see me and them at my request because of the obscenities that were being hurled ( which we have recorded). We were told by the MP that we did absolutely nothing wrong and that the miserable people yelling were told they don’t own the lake. Even the MP’s had to take shelter which they also told us.

For the record...

A) We don’t anchor.. we don’t even carry anchors. We spud.

B) I’ve never ever been over 5.5 MPH, so I have no idea how in high headway winds we could have been traveling in a unsafe speed.

The haters and the liars who have trying their hardest to hurt us make me laugh as they have absolutely nothing better to do in their pathetic boring lives but to start lies and smear campaigns because they are miserable human beings.

And if anyone thinks I’m lying, feel free to look at the police report."

They sent a pic that I have attached.


Woodsy

Thanks for clearing up the”FAKE NEWS” Woodsy!

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

That's a catchy saying, but with all due respect, it's completely wrong.


If the same "anecdote" happened once a week for 10 weeks, you'd call it data, wouldn't you?

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

That's a catchy saying, but with all due respect, it's completely wrong.


If the same "anecdote" happened once a week for 10 weeks, you'd call it data, wouldn't you?

An "anecdote" is generally a short, amusing, one-off kind of story. The saying I used means that you can't extrapolate from a single event to conclude that you have some kind of "data" or repeatable event.

At some point, if the thing keeps happening, it is probably no longer an anecdote, and may actually be "data", but we don't have that in this case, do we?