Global Warming

Cobalt 25 · 05-11-2006, 01:42 PM

SIKSUKR,

"...too small of a sample..."

Scientists for the past several years have been compiling vast amounts of incontrovertible evidence supporting the existance of global warming. Even President Bush, EVEN President Bush, has recently and quite reluctantly admitted to these conclusions.

We have no control over meteorites. We do have some control over what we emit into our atmosphere.

Now, if he would only realize how embarassing it is for our country to oppose the Kyoto Treaty...

Peter

Winnigirl · 05-11-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobalt 25

Now, if he would only realize how embarassing it is for our country to oppose the Kyoto Treaty...

Peter

Very true. However, I don't think Clinton is blameless in that either.

ITD · 05-11-2006, 04:09 PM

Please, all of you believers in Global Warming, give up your "greenhouse" gas producing activities immediately then. No electricity, no car, no heat. Put your money where your mouths are. Leave the rest of us alone. I still don't believe what's being promoted and it is being promoted.

SIKSUKR · 05-12-2006, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobalt 25

SIKSUKR,

"...too small of a sample..."

Scientists for the past several years have been compiling vast amounts of incontrovertible evidence supporting the existance of global warming. Even President Bush, EVEN President Bush, has recently and quite reluctantly admitted to these conclusions.

We have no control over meteorites. We do have some control over what we emit into our atmosphere.

Now, if he would only realize how embarassing it is for our country to oppose the Kyoto Treaty...

Peter

If you took the time to read my posts in this thread,you would see I never said there wasn't global warming.My argument is with whether this is mainly a natural occurance or man-made.Obviousy we don't have any control over meteorites.That was not my point.Great idea said"never has change been so rapid"I was only disputing that,ok?As far as the Kyoto treaty goes,we are right on the money for not signing on to a feel good piece of propaganda that will have little if any impact on what it was created for.Alright,I'm off the soapbox for now.

skisox24 · 05-15-2006, 08:04 PM

Agree SIKSUKR! I also concur with those that argue that our lifetime experiences are too small a sample from which to draw material conclusions.

Seaplane Pilot · 06-05-2006, 12:46 PM

http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_3899807

jrc · 06-05-2006, 01:22 PM

Obviously the sinister oil company people have infiltrated the Denver Post. I like the McCarthyism analogy:

"Are you now or have you ever been a member of an oil company. Do you know anyone who is a member of an oil company. Will you name names?"

"What about this Exxon credit card, aren't they giving you cash back on every purchase. How can we trust your research when you're taking cash from big oil?"

Great Idea · 06-05-2006, 03:41 PM

Keep citing "editorials" and "opinions" and us "liberals" (by the way many of us are VERY conservative politically) that are inciting "hysteria" will stick to evidence and science..... more bad news for the climate below. Whether the warming is natural or not if there is even a small chance we can slow it down by lowering CO2 emissions I say lets do it.... worst case we clean up the planet and create vast new industries that would employ more people and create new jobs. Go to link below...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13147504/

ITD · 06-05-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Idea

Keep citing "editorials" and "opinions" and us "liberals" (by the way many of us are VERY conservative politically) that are inciting "hysteria" will stick to evidence and science..... more bad news for the climate below. Whether the warming is natural or not if there is even a small chance we can slow it down by lowering CO2 emissions I say lets do it.... worst case we clean up the planet and create vast new industries that would employ more people and create new jobs. Go to link below...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13147504/

Who'll pay for it Great Idea? If it ain't ecomonically viable it ain't gonna happen, unless my taxes pay for it, and I pay enough taxes.

BTW, that link was hardly scientific, looked a lot like editoral to me.

Lakegeezer · 06-06-2006, 06:46 AM

The climate changes are disrupting the normal flow of things, and businesses who depend on consistency are going to be in trouble. That means lower tax revenue for the state, and more pressure for higher business tax rates and maybe even broad base taxes on individuals. We all will pay for that.

The polar ice cap is melting and shrinking, and is possibly the cause of some weather pattern changes. Some parts of the northern hemisphere are warmer, some parts are colder. Here in NH, we seem to be getting warmer winters, longer growing seasons, and more frequent floods. Maybe warmer summers eventually, and that would help the summer economy - but that hasn't happened yet. It will take another decade to figure out if the pattern changes are a fluke or connected with the polar melt, but if the latter, then the winter economy in north country has to find something else to bring in the cash. Individually, you can't do much to change the climate. It is already past the tipping point, and it is unclear what would bring it back. However, you should consider weather variability in investments that you make. Note how the cost of ski area season passes are way down from what they used to be. The ski area industry is a whole lot different than it was 25 years ago when climate change in NH was first being noticed. Will it even exist 25 years from now?

A good site for arctic climate information from the University of Alaska in Fairbanks can be found at: http://www.iarc.uaf.edu/index.php The information there seems to be unbiased. They provide both sides of the story (that is, what could be both good and bad). The facts are, the polar ice is changing. The old thick-pack ice is gone - washed out to sea in the 90's - and most of the polar sea ice is now "first year" ice. Our climate is partially driven by an ice-cap that is smaller than it was 50 years ago, smaller by about the size of Alaska (more than two times the size of Texas). Without some summer cold snaps to allow old-ice to rebuild, the ice will keep shrinking and we will experience what ever climate changes come with that.

05-15-2006, 08:04 PM	#5
skisox24 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 74 Thanks: 9 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Right On Agree SIKSUKR! I also concur with those that argue that our lifetime experiences are too small a sample from which to draw material conclusions.

06-05-2006, 12:46 PM	#6
Seaplane Pilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,177 Thanks: 664 Thanked 943 Times in 368 Posts	Another take on global warming http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_3899807

06-05-2006, 03:41 PM	#8
Great Idea Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 38 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The Evidence just keeps mounting..... Keep citing "editorials" and "opinions" and us "liberals" (by the way many of us are VERY conservative politically) that are inciting "hysteria" will stick to evidence and science..... more bad news for the climate below. Whether the warming is natural or not if there is even a small chance we can slow it down by lowering CO2 emissions I say lets do it.... worst case we clean up the planet and create vast new industries that would employ more people and create new jobs. Go to link below... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13147504/

06-06-2006, 06:46 AM	#10
Lakegeezer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 1,678 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 354 Thanked 639 Times in 290 Posts	We all will pay for it.... The climate changes are disrupting the normal flow of things, and businesses who depend on consistency are going to be in trouble. That means lower tax revenue for the state, and more pressure for higher business tax rates and maybe even broad base taxes on individuals. We all will pay for that. The polar ice cap is melting and shrinking, and is possibly the cause of some weather pattern changes. Some parts of the northern hemisphere are warmer, some parts are colder. Here in NH, we seem to be getting warmer winters, longer growing seasons, and more frequent floods. Maybe warmer summers eventually, and that would help the summer economy - but that hasn't happened yet. It will take another decade to figure out if the pattern changes are a fluke or connected with the polar melt, but if the latter, then the winter economy in north country has to find something else to bring in the cash. Individually, you can't do much to change the climate. It is already past the tipping point, and it is unclear what would bring it back. However, you should consider weather variability in investments that you make. Note how the cost of ski area season passes are way down from what they used to be. The ski area industry is a whole lot different than it was 25 years ago when climate change in NH was first being noticed. Will it even exist 25 years from now? A good site for arctic climate information from the University of Alaska in Fairbanks can be found at: http://www.iarc.uaf.edu/index.php The information there seems to be unbiased. They provide both sides of the story (that is, what could be both good and bad). The facts are, the polar ice is changing. The old thick-pack ice is gone - washed out to sea in the 90's - and most of the polar sea ice is now "first year" ice. Our climate is partially driven by an ice-cap that is smaller than it was 50 years ago, smaller by about the size of Alaska (more than two times the size of Texas). Without some summer cold snaps to allow old-ice to rebuild, the ice will keep shrinking and we will experience what ever climate changes come with that. __________________ -lg

05-11-2006, 01:42 PM	#1
Cobalt 25 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cape Cod Posts: 217 Thanks: 227 Thanked 36 Times in 20 Posts	SIKSUKR, "...too small of a sample..." Scientists for the past several years have been compiling vast amounts of incontrovertible evidence supporting the existance of global warming. Even President Bush, EVEN President Bush, has recently and quite reluctantly admitted to these conclusions. We have no control over meteorites. We do have some control over what we emit into our atmosphere. Now, if he would only realize how embarassing it is for our country to oppose the Kyoto Treaty... Peter

05-11-2006, 04:09 PM	#3
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,928 Thanks: 476 Thanked 691 Times in 387 Posts	Please, all of you believers in Global Warming, give up your "greenhouse" gas producing activities immediately then. No electricity, no car, no heat. Put your money where your mouths are. Leave the rest of us alone. I still don't believe what's being promoted and it is being promoted.

06-05-2006, 01:22 PM	#7
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Obviously the sinister oil company people have infiltrated the Denver Post. I like the McCarthyism analogy: "Are you now or have you ever been a member of an oil company. Do you know anyone who is a member of an oil company. Will you name names?" "What about this Exxon credit card, aren't they giving you cash back on every purchase. How can we trust your research when you're taking cash from big oil?"