HB137 Wakeboat Regulation

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by feb

I think it needs to be farther away than 200'. Not a lot further but 200 doesn't sound like enough for waves to dissipate enough before they hit land. Factor in shallow depths and the wave may not change that much from beginning to end.

As with most rules, its just common sense, wakesurf in large areas, not just 200' from your dock. I live in a transition zone as well and like to watch these folks surf but the waves do throw my boat around and yank at the dock depending on the angle they strike at.

We were on the broads side of Welch a couple days ago watching a wake boarder and I was amazed at how much the wake had subsided in about 200'. Yes directly behind the boat the wake was large but it really fell flat in no time at all. Unlike a large cruiser whose wake seems to continue for ever this boats wake definitely dispersed much quicker...Are these boats designed to do this??

Dan

[AttentiontoDetail]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

We were on the broads side of Welch a couple days ago watching a wake boarder and I was amazed at how much the wake had subsided in about 200'. Yes directly behind the boat the wake was large but it really fell flat in no time at all. Unlike a large cruiser whose wake seems to continue for ever this boats wake definitely dispersed much quicker...Are these boats designed to do this??

Dan

The boat is only traveling at 10-12mph max so it's a slow roller not a fast moving break with velocity behind it. Think of a wave pool at a waterpark. It slowly raises you up as a swimmer but would not toss you like a break in the ocean.

I agree there are boaters who are inconsiderate, do not follow proper etiquette and common courtesy. Take these drivers out of a wakeboat and they'll be annoying you in a pontoon boat, speed boat or something else. They probably do not even know they are being inconsiderate, they need to be educated. I have no problem going up to any other watersporting boat in my local bay and politely coaching them on how best to operate their boat so everyone on the water can have a good time. Drive straight lines, stay off shore for wakesports, no power turns for a downed rider etc. 99% appreciate the tips.

200 ft off shore for wake-surfing is a reasonable solution to me. I personally already adhere to this distance if not more as common courtesy. But I'm also hoping what comes out of this is an educational route where dealers, lake hosts etc. are given materials to help teach people about the boats they are operating and how best to use them without disrupting the lake.
See WSIA Wake Responsibility for more info. Help spread the message if you'd like be part of the solution.

[Little Bear]

Tell them to turn down (or off) that damn pathetic music that they blast, and that would satisfy me. I cannot believe how inconsiderate some of these idiots are, blasting that garbage at all hours of the day. Turn it off!

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by Little Bear

Tell them to turn down (or off) that damn pathetic music that they blast, and that would satisfy me. I cannot believe how inconsiderate some of these idiots are, blasting that garbage at all hours of the day. Turn it off!

Fifteen years ago. I listened to it once, removed it and never put it back in. I don't know why I can't stand it in my boat. I listen in my car all the time. It just seems incongruous with the peacefulness of being on the Lake.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Little Bear

Tell them to turn down (or off) that damn pathetic music that they blast, and that would satisfy me. I cannot believe how inconsiderate some of these idiots are, blasting that garbage at all hours of the day. Turn it off!

It would be nice if a regulation prohibited speakers designed to blast music off the boat. The large amplified tower mounted speakers on a wake or ski boat are a significant part of the objection many people have to these boats.

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by Little Bear

Tell them to turn down (or off) that damn pathetic music that they blast, and that would satisfy me. I cannot believe how inconsiderate some of these idiots are, blasting that garbage at all hours of the day. Turn it off!

Maybe we could add a loud music amendment to the Stay Off My Lawn regulations to save time?

[ursa minor]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Maybe we could add a loud music amendment to the Stay Off My Lawn regulations to save time?

Yeah maybe we should. When their boat is 1/4 mile away from us and their music is louder than ours when I’m in the house it might be a problem...

Honestly, I think it’s great that kids are out doing water sports. The wakes from the wake board boats aren’t that different from others. Just don’t keep trolling the same 10 houses and lose the music. I think we used to call that consideration for your neighbors.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by ursa minor

...we used to call that consideration for your neighbors.

This is everything.

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[Little Bear]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Maybe we could add a loud music amendment to the Stay Off My Lawn regulations to save time?

If that’s what it’s going to take, then sign me up.

[escaped from NJ]

Originally Posted by Little Bear

Tell them to turn down (or off) that damn pathetic music that they blast, and that would satisfy me. I cannot believe how inconsiderate some of these idiots are, blasting that garbage at all hours of the day. Turn it off!

I too am on the north side of Little Bear and have endured 2 hours of "music" blaring every Saturday afternoon of the summer. Last weekend, this noise woke me from being sound asleep. This "music" was so offensive. It is basically yelling, not singing and what woke me was the repeated yelling of the N word - at least 5 times. I want to approach their boat and politely ask them to stop but certainly they already know how offensive they are being and obviously don't care. Honestly, we can't hear our TV when this boat is on the water. If police go to houses for disturbing the peace, why can't the patrol do the same?

[tummyman]

These folks need to take their boats and waves out into the larger part of the lake and not smaller coves. I have had broken mooring whips, broken boat lines, destroyed snubbers, as well as seen my dock almost tip over from the waves. My lakefront shoreline is being eroded from the waves. Rocks ar falling in. and the waves are disturbing the bottom of the lake. I have no problem with the sport, but please take the waves out to broader parts of the lake.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

The committee seems heavily weighted towards people who have a vested financial interest in promoting the sport. I didn't see anyone on the list from the "Peace and Quiet Association"Hmmmmm..............

Not surprising in this day of $X00,000 wake-surfing boats.

The manufacturers are "primed" by efforts to defeat homeowners' restrictions previously started in other states.

The "wet" participants are practicing "legal" ways to get around the restrictions—most notably, Pennsylvania's restrictions—that started in 2011.

Originally Posted by tummyman

These folks need to take their boats and waves out into the larger part of the lake and not smaller coves. I have had broken mooring whips, broken boat lines, destroyed snubbers, as well as seen my dock almost tip over from the waves. My lakefront shoreline is being eroded from the waves. Rocks ar falling in. and the waves are disturbing the bottom of the lake. I have no problem with the sport, but please take the waves out to broader parts of the lake.

Don't expect those waves to be gone soon. The two or three wakesurfers in Winter Harbor start out from boathouses located on the Broads!

Agreed. I just noticed a large boulder that has fallen into my sandy shallows this week. It's big enough, that I might not be able to move it out of the way.

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[ApS]

Agree that the "music" noise—sometimes foul—has to go....

Originally Posted by ishoot308

We were on the broads side of Welch a couple days ago watching a wake boarder and I was amazed at how much the wake had subsided in about 200'. Yes directly behind the boat the wake was large but it really fell flat in no time at all. Unlike a large cruiser whose wake seems to continue for ever this boats wake definitely dispersed much quicker...Are these boats designed to do this?? Dan

I think you're describing a WakeSurfer. We have 2 or 3 regular WakeSurfers in Winter Harbor—daily.

Not long ago, I posted my photo showing the end of our dock had been awash for the first time in its 35-year history. It wasn't a WakeSurfer, but a conventional (but large) cruiser one might not even notice. (I've photographed the cruiser as well).

I photographed and measured that wash nearer the shore, showing the wake had soaked 23-inches over the next morning's quiet surface. A wake is measured by doubling its reach...so...this was a nearly 4-foot wake!

And no WakeSurfer in sight...

[Descant]

It wasn't speed, safety or anything else that killed GFBL. It was noise. The same will happen with wakeboats although it will be blamed on dock damage and erosion or similar.

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

We were on the broads side of Welch a couple days ago watching a wake boarder and I was amazed at how much the wake had subsided in about 200'. Yes directly behind the boat the wake was large but it really fell flat in no time at all. Unlike a large cruiser whose wake seems to continue for ever this boats wake definitely dispersed much quicker...Are these boats designed to do this??

Dan

They're not necessarily designed to make a wake that disperses quicker. Much of it has to do with how a wake/wave is created by a boat. Without getting deep into a bunch of hull design theory and fluid dynamics, any boat is displacing some amount of water at all times. When under power you are displacing water, and pushing that displaced water out and away from the hull.

The weight of the displaced water is equal to the weight of the vessel. There are things you can do on any boat to change how it rides, and how/where most of the water displacement occurs. This can have the effect of creating more or less wake, but the sum of the displaced water is always going to be the same.

Wakeboats produce a large wake (duh!), but that wake is lower energy than that of a larger (heavier) boat, due to it essentially being the effect of displacement of a much lighter overall boat.

Lower energy wakes/waves will dissipate faster.

So, what you see from wake boat waves dissipating is more of a side effect of the light hull than a specific design element.