No wake - lake wide??

Major problem · 05-17-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodsy

John...

Its not the trolling.... Its the return trip to Weirs with a live fish.

The fish have to be ALIVE when delivered to the weighing station at the Weirs. Not all boats have live wells for the fish. If you caught a 6lb tagged salmon up in Moultonborough Bay, the fish would more than likely be dead before you could idle your way to the Weirs...
Woodsy

There are several ways of verifying that a fish has been freshly caught in Winni during the tournament but I see nothing in the rules that says the fish has to be "alive and kicking".

The real pressure to hurry to the weigh-in station is when you've caught "a good one" 15 mins before the deadline.

Bear Islander · 05-17-2006, 10:22 PM

Woodsy

That Citizen article seems to have been written several days ago and does not reflect current conditions.

The Citizen article quotes the "current" lake level as 504.32, if you check the DES sight you will find that the lake has not been that low since 10am Sunday April 14.

The lake is now 505.30, that is 12" higher than when that article was written.

lfm · 05-18-2006, 06:59 AM

I think the citizen article wasn't clear. Isn't full lake 504.32, and according to the the citizen the lake level was 7" over that, which would mean that the lake has risen 5" since that article was written.

Quilt Lady · 05-18-2006, 07:26 AM

One other misleading part of the article were the comments about the amount of junk floating out there. The lake is presently calm and I can see lots of stuff floating out in front of our house: tree parts (various sizes), dock posts and decking and even a red gasoline can that a passing boat picked up. Once the wind and wave action picks up, it will be hard to see this stuff. Keep your eyes open and slow down . . . unless you don't mind paying out the big bucks for a new prop!

Sunbeam lodge · 05-19-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Quilt Lady

One other misleading part of the article were the comments about the amount of junk floating out there. The lake is presently calm and I can see lots of stuff floating out in front of our house: tree parts (various sizes), dock posts and decking and even a red gasoline can that a passing boat picked up. Once the wind and wave action picks up, it will be hard to see this stuff. Keep your eyes open and slow down . . . unless you don't mind paying out the big bucks for a new prop!

Who do you call to tow or pick up large trees or docks that are floating and are definately a safety hazard. Some may land on your property and it may cost quite a bit to haul them off.
Also, I feel we are going to lose a lot of Loon nests this year as the water is the highest I have seen it since 1998.

Weekend Pundit · 05-19-2006, 08:21 PM

Another good reason to keep the speed down is the amount of debris that may still be out there, at or just under the surface. A co-worker was out on Winnipesaukee yesterday and he saw quite a bit of junk out there. The last thing you want to do is hit that while you're on plane. It's a quick way to bring a premature end to your boating season.

Rinkerfam · 05-19-2006, 10:48 PM

I can only hope that everyone, whether lakefront property owners or not, will abide by the headway speed only "recommendation". Even though I fall within the "not" category, and would love nothing more than to take an early season rip around the lake this weekend, I can't think of a more inconsiderate thing to do. Please everyone....Do the Right Thing!!

Orion · 05-20-2006, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rinkerfam

I can only hope that everyone, whether lakefront property owners or not, will abide by the headway speed only "recommendation".

Sadly, my observations are that it's being pretty much ignored. People either don't know or don't care. I'm sure it's not very well disseminated and many that have heard are not complying because it's not mandatory.

ApS · 05-20-2006, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sunbeam lodge

"...Who do you call to tow or pick up large trees or docks that are floating and are definately a safety hazard. Some may land on your property and it may cost quite a bit to haul them off..."

I wondered this myself. I called the MPs on the staircases, but got no commitment from the "newbie" dispatcher.

Later, I towed and tied one set to my shoreline. A yellow Tow boat appeared, passed slowly by my address (one I had left with the MPs), raced around a bit, then left.

I'd guess that taxpayers are paying for the "tow" of large debris. 'Sure wish they'd return -- I'm getting quite a collection. Maybe once it's ashore, they won't tow it?

BTW: My dock now has just 2" of freeboard remaining. It shook heavily with just the light chop of Friday afternoon. There were heavy showers in the Ossipee Mountains towards dusk yesterday.

I agree with DRH: The NWZ message was too little and too late.

SAMIAM · 05-20-2006, 08:43 AM

With a big fish tournament on this weekend,I don't think there's much hope that bassboaters will observe the NWZ.
Fortunately, most bass boats have a modified V and don't throw off much of a wake

Woodsy · 05-18-2006, 07:24 AM

Bear Islander...

The article was written YESTERDAY... and you didn't understand this particular sentence.

"Lake Winnipesaukee has risen 15 inches since Friday and currently is about seven inches over its full capacity at 504.32 feet above sea level."

Full Lake is 504.32 or if you need the conversion, 504 Ft, 3.84 inches. This mornings DES website listed the current level at 505.30. Almost exactly 1' above full lake. They have increased the output of the Lakeport Dam to 1256CFS. That flow rate will be able to lower the lake about .75" per day.

I understand your concern as a waterfront property owner. However, I don't think that 1' above full lake constitutes a flood of such epic proportions as to require lakewide restrictions, especially given the economic importance of these next two weekends. However, as the article stated, a lake-wide NWZ is a very contentious issue, with many competing interests.

Woodsy

camp guy · 05-18-2006, 07:51 AM

Let's not get all balled up in the details of hundredths of inches, nor the specifics of dates and times, the increased water level presents a potential for DES problems and needs to be addressed. The economic concern is minor compared to the long-term concerns to the economy if the Lake suffers. If I remember correctly, in late June and early July of 1998 there was a lake-wide NWZ due to high water. There was also a bass fishing tournement on the Lake at this time and those boys with their go-fast fishing boats had to comply with the local rules and keep it at 6 MPH or slower, a real trick with a 17' boat powered by a 225 hp outboard !! The Mount Washington had to abide by the NWZ, also, and it kept running. And here we are today, none the worse off for that period of NWZ, and we will be here next year, too, none the worse off for a NWZ this year. The preservation of the shoreline and personal property is more important than the fleeting economics associated with unrestricted boating. The answer, boat responsibly and act with courtesy.

ApS · 05-18-2006, 08:44 AM

After the fog lifted, I saw not one floating section, but two sections of those stairways one associates with docks and shorelines. There are large trees (sawed off trees), and large dimensional lumber.

Most of this stuff is too big to load into my boat, and too heavy to pull aboard a bigger boat. I called the MPs, and got a newbie who recorded its presence. I've also got less dock "freeboard" than yesterday.

Bear Islander · 05-18-2006, 08:55 AM

Woodsy

That's not the way I read the article, but since FLL is 504.32 you must be correct.

The good news is that the lake has stopped rising and the weather forecast has improved a little. I would agree that as it stands right now a NWZ is not necessary. However Memorial Day boating could do a lot of damage if the lake is high. Lets hope things improve by then.

Woodsy · 05-18-2006, 09:32 AM

Bear Islander...

That particular sentence is a bit tough to understand. I had to read it a few times myself.

I agree, a high lake coupled with Memorial Day boat traffic could spell trouble.

I am hoping they keep the output of the Lakeport Dam high... at the current rate with no excessive rain, they can drain the lake down almost 6"-7" by Memorial Day.

Camp Guy had it right when he said boat responsibly and with courtesy. Make sure that if your going to get on or off plane that you are well away from shore, and be mindful of other peoples property & docks.

Woodsy

Seaplane Pilot · 05-18-2006, 10:09 AM

I don't want to throw bombs at anyone in particular, but I dread the thought of the cabin cruisers plowing by, throwing up 4' wakes with the lake at these levels. Throw in the high price of gas, which adds more incentive to cruise at plowing speed.

jrc · 05-18-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I don't want to throw bombs at anyone in particular, but I dread the thought of the cabin cruisers plowing by, throwing up 4' wakes with the lake at these levels. Throw in the high price of gas, which adds more incentive to cruise at plowing speed.

Plowing speed is the worst gas mileage. Cruiser owners should know that a planing boat gets the best MPG at "no wake" speeds or just fully on plane. Those middle speeds, where the boat is climbing out of the hole, are the worst for MPG and for wakes. On a typical boat, the more wake you make the more gas you use. Of course what people should know and what they do are not always the same.

Very high speeds near wide open throttle also hurt your MPG, but no one thinks there saving fuel at full speed.

gtxrider · 05-18-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jrc

Plowing speed is the worst gas mileage. Cruiser owners should know that a planing boat gets the best MPG at "no wake" speeds or just fully on plane. Those middle speeds, where the boat is climbing out of the hole, are the worst for MPG and for wakes. On a typical boat, the more wake you make the more gas you use. Of course what people should know and what they do are not always the same.

Very high speeds near wide open throttle also hurt your MPG, but no one thinks there saving fuel at full speed.

Yes if they want to save fuel get it up on a plane ASAP. Plowing thru the water is like driving your car in 1st gear.

Rayhunt · 05-18-2006, 02:06 PM

NOW is the time to implement the no wake ban ...we have several docks being damaged presently ..This weekend will be harmful to many shoreline structures , erosion etc ..Whats the word from MP ?? Do they have a website up ?
Thank you

Excalibur · 05-18-2006, 02:50 PM

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
N.H. DEPARTMENT OF SAFETY
DIVISION OF SAFETY SERVICE
BUREAU OF MARINE PATROL

Thursday, May 18, 2006

For additional information, contact: Director David T. Barrett, (603) 293-2037.

N.H. MARINE PATROL URGES NO-WAKE SPEED FOR BOATERS

GILFORD, N.H. - As New Hampshire residents begin their recovery from a week of devastating rains, the New Hampshire Marine Patrol is asking boaters to operate at headway speed on public waters until the flood water levels subside.

With the high water levels, wakes from boats traveling greater than headway speed pose an additional threat to private property and damage natural habitats.

"While those directly affected by the recent weather begin the arduous task of clean-up, those of us who have opportunity to enjoy the benefits of boating on our lakes, rivers and ponds can personally contribute to that," said Director David T. Barrett of the Department of Safety's Marine Patrol. "The New Hampshire Marine Patrol urges all boaters to proceed at headway speed when operating on all our public waters until the water levels subside to normal elevations."

Lakegeezer · 05-18-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Excalibur

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
N.H. DEPARTMENT OF SAFETY
DIVISION OF SAFETY SERVICE
BUREAU OF MARINE PATROL

Thursday, May 18, 2006

N.H. MARINE PATROL URGES NO-WAKE SPEED FOR BOATERS

This is good news. Not everyone will get the message, not everyone will comply with the request, but it will help the lake to some degree. I plan to go looking for bass beds with my trolling motor this weekend. I'm wondering what the bass do when the climate changes the water levels so fast.

secondcurve · 05-18-2006, 07:25 PM

Does the "urges" langauage mean that the NWZ is optional? Can the Marine Patrol implement a "required" NWZ? I'm trying to understand the language and its implications. Thank you in advance.

Orion · 05-18-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by secondcurve

Does the "urges" langauage mean that the NWZ is optional?

Does it matter? Just do it. We don't need our parents to tell us what's right. Do we?

secondcurve · 05-18-2006, 09:14 PM

Orion:

Obviously, your parents never taught you manners. I'm simply trying to understand the Marine Patrol rules. If yu have nothing of value to add, please don't respond. Thanks.

upthesaukee · 05-18-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by secondcurve

Does the "urges" langauage mean that the NWZ is optional? Can the Marine Patrol implement a "required" NWZ? I'm trying to understand the language and its implications. Thank you in advance.

The memo from Director Barrett would seem to be talking about all NH waterways, not just Winni. Secondly, most written communication, including laws, insurance contracts, etc. use words like "shall" or "must" to denote a mandatory action, leaving words like "urge" to be suggestive in nature, and while it would seem to be a prudent or wise thing to do, would not be mandatory.

That's the good news:

Bad news: NWS has issued a flood watch for Friday, with low pressure developing along the mid Atlantic coast and overspreading this region on Friday. Rain can be locally heavy, with 1-2 inches possible, along with some hail before tapering off sometime Fri night. Expect saturated ground to allow runoff and streams and rivers to rise rapidly.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings

Orion · 05-18-2006, 10:34 PM

Sorry SecondCurve. It was not meant to be a personal attack, though it was poorly written and appeared to be. Just a comment to everyone that we should do it anyway and not wait for the "officials" to tell us to do so.

Airwaves · 05-18-2006, 11:59 PM

Hi All,
I just would like to get back to a statement I read from a post on Wednesday from Weirs Guy:

Quote:

Based on what I've heard today keeper and his pals will be bringing the lake down for this weekend. Good news, unless your downstream.

Is there any truth to this? If so I'd like to know now since we are in the midst of a major clean up operation and if we are going to get more water from the lake, and another half inch or so of rain Friday, I'd really like a heads up!

Mee-n-Mac · 05-19-2006, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Airwaves

Hi All,
I just would like to get back to a statement I read from a post on Wednesday from Weirs Guy:

Is there any truth to this? If so I'd like to know now since we are in the midst of a major clean up operation and if we are going to get more water from the lake, and another half inch or so of rain Friday, I'd really like a heads up!

Well they've increased to outflow at Lakeport just recently. I'd guess that this new, higher rate will continue unless it threatens to re-flood downstream. From GWC's and UTS's posts it sounds like we'll be getting another inch or so of rain so perhaps the dam guys will scale back a bit. In either case I'd be concerned that the water will rise somewhat this weekend.

The inflow and outflow for the Lakeport dam can be found here. I think there is a hour by hour chart as well but I couldn't find it. Depending on where downstream you are you might want to find the discharge rates for other dams which can be found here. ie - the discharge from the Winnipesaukee River might be useful to those on the Merrimac.

secondcurve · 05-19-2006, 05:46 AM

Orion:

Thanks for the apology. I appreciate it. My boat will remain tied up until at least the Memorial Day weekend. Let's all pray for a prolonged period of sunshine.

SteveS · 05-18-2006, 07:52 AM

Woodsy:

How do you calculate the relationship between the current flow rate at Lakeport & the future lowering of the lake? Is an estimate of inflow via rain & runoff included in your ciphering?

SAMIAM · 05-18-2006, 10:15 AM

I don't think that a lake wide NWZ does a lot of good.Mother nature does not obey our rules and sends some pretty good sized waves our way when the wind comes up.Mostly on the eastern side of the lake,I realize ,but stormy weather sometimes brings a south wind.....and the other shore gets hammered. Oh well,maybe we should just get the Army Engineers to build dykes all ther way around the lake like New Orleans.

Mee-n-Mac · 05-18-2006, 03:18 PM

Looking at the DES data for today it appears the lake may be hitting a plateau. The level has remained constant for the last 8 or so hours and if we don't get any significant rainfall it should start coming down. The prediction I saw calls for some rain on Friday (in the AM) but I don't know how much is expected to fall. My guess is that by next weekend the lake will be high but not excessively, so a lake-wide NWZ won't be needed then. Guess we won't be breaking the all time record this year (which is fine by me).

What I'm thinking is how lucky we were that the lake started out low when the rains came. If it had been filled to a normal level we'd really be up the creek w/o a paddle*. Given the flood of last year and now this, I'm thinking of ways to be better prepared to handle high waters. It's not a question of if but only one of when. The Lakeport dam, and more limiting the downstream drainage, just doesn't have the capacity to handle these kinds of storms. This isn't going to change anytime soon, if ever. It's up to "us" to handle what Mother Nature dishes up.

*Either that or it's time to open a store - do you think they are franchising ?

GWC... · 05-18-2006, 04:59 PM

Forecast is looking rather wet...

http://www.intellicast.com/IcastPage...=none&pid=none

Lake height chart - Hourly Data:
http://www.des.state.nh.us/rti_data/wein3_TABLE.HTML

05/13 Sat 3.66 - .52 54 240 CFS Here comes the rain
05/14 Sun 4.24 + .04 53 237 CFS 3.95" rain. Lake up 6".
05/15 Mon 4.68 + .49 52 234 CFS Largest 2-day gain in since 1982
05/16 Tue 4.96 + .79 52 394 CFS
05/17 Wed 5.18 + .98 52 713 CFS
05/18 Thu 5.33 +1.09 52 1256 CFS
05/19 Fri 5.37 +1.10 54 1799 CFS Only up 1/2 inch
05/20 Sat 5.46 +1.18 53 2300 CFS Another 0.7" rain yesterday
*--------------------------------------
Until the water level subsides,
The N.H. MARINE PATROL URGES NO-WAKE SPEED FOR BOATERS

http://www.bizer.com/bztnews.htm#lakelevel

Seems to my memory that comment was given for the need of courtesy and consideration to others, regarding the usage of the Lake, during the speed limit debates.

Have some forgotten, already?

05-18-2006, 07:26 AM	#4
Quilt Lady Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Alton, NH Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 11 Posts	Be careful out there . . . One other misleading part of the article were the comments about the amount of junk floating out there. The lake is presently calm and I can see lots of stuff floating out in front of our house: tree parts (various sizes), dock posts and decking and even a red gasoline can that a passing boat picked up. Once the wind and wave action picks up, it will be hard to see this stuff. Keep your eyes open and slow down . . . unless you don't mind paying out the big bucks for a new prop! __________________ QL (Doing my best to encourage Global Warming ... one quilt at a time!)

05-19-2006, 08:21 PM	#6
Weekend Pundit Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Gilford Posts: 347 Thanks: 26 Thanked 69 Times in 42 Posts	NWZ and Debris Another good reason to keep the speed down is the amount of debris that may still be out there, at or just under the surface. A co-worker was out on Winnipesaukee yesterday and he saw quite a bit of junk out there. The last thing you want to do is hit that while you're on plane. It's a quick way to bring a premature end to your boating season.

05-19-2006, 10:48 PM	#7
Rinkerfam Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 268 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 8 Posts	I can only hope that everyone, whether lakefront property owners or not, will abide by the headway speed only "recommendation". Even though I fall within the "not" category, and would love nothing more than to take an early season rip around the lake this weekend, I can't think of a more inconsiderate thing to do. Please everyone....Do the Right Thing!! __________________ Education is hanging around 'til you've caught on - Frost

05-18-2006, 07:24 AM	#11
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,966 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	Bear Islander... The article was written YESTERDAY... and you didn't understand this particular sentence. "Lake Winnipesaukee has risen 15 inches since Friday and currently is about seven inches over its full capacity at 504.32 feet above sea level." Full Lake is 504.32 or if you need the conversion, 504 Ft, 3.84 inches. This mornings DES website listed the current level at 505.30. Almost exactly 1' above full lake. They have increased the output of the Lakeport Dam to 1256CFS. That flow rate will be able to lower the lake about .75" per day. I understand your concern as a waterfront property owner. However, I don't think that 1' above full lake constitutes a flood of such epic proportions as to require lakewide restrictions, especially given the economic importance of these next two weekends. However, as the article stated, a lake-wide NWZ is a very contentious issue, with many competing interests. Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

05-18-2006, 07:51 AM	#12
camp guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: formerly Winter Harbor, still Wolfeboro Posts: 1,185 Thanks: 301 Thanked 525 Times in 293 Posts	Lake-wide NWZ Let's not get all balled up in the details of hundredths of inches, nor the specifics of dates and times, the increased water level presents a potential for DES problems and needs to be addressed. The economic concern is minor compared to the long-term concerns to the economy if the Lake suffers. If I remember correctly, in late June and early July of 1998 there was a lake-wide NWZ due to high water. There was also a bass fishing tournement on the Lake at this time and those boys with their go-fast fishing boats had to comply with the local rules and keep it at 6 MPH or slower, a real trick with a 17' boat powered by a 225 hp outboard !! The Mount Washington had to abide by the NWZ, also, and it kept running. And here we are today, none the worse off for that period of NWZ, and we will be here next year, too, none the worse off for a NWZ this year. The preservation of the shoreline and personal property is more important than the fleeting economics associated with unrestricted boating. The answer, boat responsibly and act with courtesy.

05-17-2006, 10:22 PM	#2
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	Woodsy That Citizen article seems to have been written several days ago and does not reflect current conditions. The Citizen article quotes the "current" lake level as 504.32, if you check the DES sight you will find that the lake has not been that low since 10am Sunday April 14. The lake is now 505.30, that is 12" higher than when that article was written.

05-18-2006, 06:59 AM	#3
lfm Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 96 Thanks: 29 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	I think the citizen article wasn't clear. Isn't full lake 504.32, and according to the the citizen the lake level was 7" over that, which would mean that the lake has risen 5" since that article was written.

05-20-2006, 08:43 AM	#10
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,896 Thanks: 334 Thanked 1,676 Times in 586 Posts	With a big fish tournament on this weekend,I don't think there's much hope that bassboaters will observe the NWZ. Fortunately, most bass boats have a modified V and don't throw off much of a wake

05-18-2006, 08:44 AM	#13
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 5,938 Thanks: 2,205 Thanked 776 Times in 553 Posts	Record debris in my experience! After the fog lifted, I saw not one floating section, but two sections of those stairways one associates with docks and shorelines. There are large trees (sawed off trees), and large dimensional lumber. Most of this stuff is too big to load into my boat, and too heavy to pull aboard a bigger boat. I called the MPs, and got a newbie who recorded its presence. I've also got less dock "freeboard" than yesterday.

05-18-2006, 08:55 AM	#14
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	Woodsy That's not the way I read the article, but since FLL is 504.32 you must be correct. The good news is that the lake has stopped rising and the weather forecast has improved a little. I would agree that as it stands right now a NWZ is not necessary. However Memorial Day boating could do a lot of damage if the lake is high. Lets hope things improve by then.

05-18-2006, 09:32 AM	#15
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,966 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	Bear Islander... That particular sentence is a bit tough to understand. I had to read it a few times myself. I agree, a high lake coupled with Memorial Day boat traffic could spell trouble. I am hoping they keep the output of the Lakeport Dam high... at the current rate with no excessive rain, they can drain the lake down almost 6"-7" by Memorial Day. Camp Guy had it right when he said boat responsibly and with courtesy. Make sure that if your going to get on or off plane that you are well away from shore, and be mindful of other peoples property & docks. Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

05-18-2006, 10:09 AM	#16
Seaplane Pilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,177 Thanks: 664 Thanked 943 Times in 368 Posts	I don't want to throw bombs at anyone in particular, but I dread the thought of the cabin cruisers plowing by, throwing up 4' wakes with the lake at these levels. Throw in the high price of gas, which adds more incentive to cruise at plowing speed.

05-18-2006, 02:06 PM	#19
Rayhunt Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gilford NH Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	No Wake ! NOW is the time to implement the no wake ban ...we have several docks being damaged presently ..This weekend will be harmful to many shoreline structures , erosion etc ..Whats the word from MP ?? Do they have a website up ? Thank you

05-18-2006, 02:50 PM	#20
Excalibur Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Gilford,NH is where I would like to be and Southborough, MA is where I have to be Posts: 88 Thanks: 14 Thanked 10 Times in 3 Posts	No Wake Advisory FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE N.H. DEPARTMENT OF SAFETY DIVISION OF SAFETY SERVICE BUREAU OF MARINE PATROL Thursday, May 18, 2006 For additional information, contact: Director David T. Barrett, (603) 293-2037. N.H. MARINE PATROL URGES NO-WAKE SPEED FOR BOATERS GILFORD, N.H. - As New Hampshire residents begin their recovery from a week of devastating rains, the New Hampshire Marine Patrol is asking boaters to operate at headway speed on public waters until the flood water levels subside. With the high water levels, wakes from boats traveling greater than headway speed pose an additional threat to private property and damage natural habitats. "While those directly affected by the recent weather begin the arduous task of clean-up, those of us who have opportunity to enjoy the benefits of boating on our lakes, rivers and ponds can personally contribute to that," said Director David T. Barrett of the Department of Safety's Marine Patrol. "The New Hampshire Marine Patrol urges all boaters to proceed at headway speed when operating on all our public waters until the water levels subside to normal elevations."

05-18-2006, 07:25 PM	#22
secondcurve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,117 Thanks: 1,329 Thanked 559 Times in 288 Posts	Help me understand Does the "urges" langauage mean that the NWZ is optional? Can the Marine Patrol implement a "required" NWZ? I'm trying to understand the language and its implications. Thank you in advance.

05-18-2006, 09:14 PM	#24
secondcurve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,117 Thanks: 1,329 Thanked 559 Times in 288 Posts	Orion: Obviously, your parents never taught you manners. I'm simply trying to understand the Marine Patrol rules. If yu have nothing of value to add, please don't respond. Thanks.

05-18-2006, 10:34 PM	#26
Orion Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Cow Island Posts: 914 Thanks: 602 Thanked 193 Times in 91 Posts	Sorry Sorry SecondCurve. It was not meant to be a personal attack, though it was poorly written and appeared to be. Just a comment to everyone that we should do it anyway and not wait for the "officials" to tell us to do so.

05-19-2006, 05:46 AM	#29
secondcurve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,117 Thanks: 1,329 Thanked 559 Times in 288 Posts	Orion: Thanks for the apology. I appreciate it. My boat will remain tied up until at least the Memorial Day weekend. Let's all pray for a prolonged period of sunshine.

05-18-2006, 07:52 AM	#30
SteveS Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Woodsy: How do you calculate the relationship between the current flow rate at Lakeport & the future lowering of the lake? Is an estimate of inflow via rain & runoff included in your ciphering?

05-18-2006, 10:15 AM	#31
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,896 Thanks: 334 Thanked 1,676 Times in 586 Posts	I don't think that a lake wide NWZ does a lot of good.Mother nature does not obey our rules and sends some pretty good sized waves our way when the wind comes up.Mostly on the eastern side of the lake,I realize ,but stormy weather sometimes brings a south wind.....and the other shore gets hammered. Oh well,maybe we should just get the Army Engineers to build dykes all ther way around the lake like New Orleans.

05-18-2006, 03:18 PM	#32
Mee-n-Mac Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,943 Thanks: 23 Thanked 111 Times in 51 Posts	Plateau ? Looking at the DES data for today it appears the lake may be hitting a plateau. The level has remained constant for the last 8 or so hours and if we don't get any significant rainfall it should start coming down. The prediction I saw calls for some rain on Friday (in the AM) but I don't know how much is expected to fall. My guess is that by next weekend the lake will be high but not excessively, so a lake-wide NWZ won't be needed then. Guess we won't be breaking the all time record this year (which is fine by me). What I'm thinking is how lucky we were that the lake started out low when the rains came. If it had been filled to a normal level we'd really be up the creek w/o a paddle. Given the flood of last year and now this, I'm thinking of ways to be better prepared to handle high waters. It's not a question of if but only one of when. The Lakeport dam, and more limiting the downstream drainage, just doesn't have the capacity to handle these kinds of storms. This isn't going to change anytime soon, if ever. It's up to "us" to handle what Mother Nature dishes up. Either that or it's time to open a store - do you think they are franchising ? __________________ Mee'n'Mac "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by simple stupidity or ignorance. The latter are a lot more common than the former." - RAH

05-18-2006, 04:59 PM	#33
GWC... Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,325 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Forecast is looking rather wet... http://www.intellicast.com/IcastPage...=none&pid=none Lake height chart - Hourly Data: http://www.des.state.nh.us/rti_data/wein3_TABLE.HTML 05/13 Sat 3.66 - .52 54 240 CFS Here comes the rain 05/14 Sun 4.24 + .04 53 237 CFS 3.95" rain. Lake up 6". 05/15 Mon 4.68 + .49 52 234 CFS Largest 2-day gain in since 1982 05/16 Tue 4.96 + .79 52 394 CFS 05/17 Wed 5.18 + .98 52 713 CFS 05/18 Thu 5.33 +1.09 52 1256 CFS 05/19 Fri 5.37 +1.10 54 1799 CFS Only up 1/2 inch 05/20 Sat 5.46 +1.18 53 2300 CFS Another 0.7" rain yesterday -------------------------------------- Until the water level subsides, The N.H. MARINE PATROL URGES NO-WAKE SPEED FOR BOATERS* http://www.bizer.com/bztnews.htm#lakelevel Seems to my memory that comment was given for the need of courtesy and consideration to others, regarding the usage of the Lake, during the speed limit debates. Have some forgotten, already? Last edited by GWC...; 05-20-2006 at 01:38 PM.