Moultonboro assessor larceny

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by ITD

I'm not seeing the socialism connection with the idea, but it does seem like a more equitable distribution of the burden. Progressive tax plans are more in line with socialism. Don't like the 1/2 payment for the seasonal residents, make it 1 1/2 times then. The point is everybody feels the effect of stupid spending.

I agree with you on your point that “everybody feels the effects of stupid spending.” After that, your argument falls apart. If you own property in NH, you need to pony up 12 months of taxes each year, whether or not you are here for 6 months, 1 month, or 1 day....even 0 days. If I owned property in MA, I would expect to do the same.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

I agree with you on your point that “everybody feels the effects of stupid spending.” After that, your argument falls apart. If you own property in NH, you need to pony up 12 months of taxes each year, whether or not you are here for 6 months, 1 month, or 1 day....even 0 days. If I owned property in MA, I would expect to do the same.

My latest version changed it to 18 months of tax in a year for the part time residents.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by ITD

My latest version changed it to 18 months of tax in a year for the part time residents.

This discussion is going nowhere fast. Several facts: 1) if you own real estate, you pay property taxes; 2) if you’re a non-resident taxpayer, you cannot vote there, and this applies everywhere, to my knowledge ; 3) if you can prove personal income is not adequate to pay taxes, you might receive some relief from that town. Other than that, anyone owning property in any state needs to pay 100% of the tax bill. Owning property is a choice, and how many weeks or months you stay there is also a choice. We own property out of state, and we pay the taxes (also condo fees), and don’t vote. We also don’t complain about it because it was our choice to do what we did. This whole discussion is different from the wasteful town expenditure one, and the voters need to tackle that with town officials and at the voting booth.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

This discussion is going nowhere fast. Several facts: 1) if you own real estate, you pay property taxes; 2) if you’re a non-resident taxpayer, you cannot vote there, and this applies everywhere, to my knowledge ; 3) if you can prove personal income is not adequate to pay taxes, you might receive some relief from that town. Other than that, anyone owning property in any state needs to pay 100% of the tax bill. Owning property is a choice, and how many weeks or months you stay there is also a choice. We own property out of state, and we pay the taxes (also condo fees), and don’t vote. We also don’t complain about it because it was our choice to do what we did. This whole discussion is different from the wasteful town expenditure one, and the voters need to tackle that with town officials and at the voting booth.

Lighten up, you're preaching to the choir Sue.... I knew what I was getting into when I bought my property. I just shake my head and pay my taxes. It's fine with me until the day it isn't. On that day I will list my property and hopefully make a fat profit, fat enough to cover all the taxes I paid plus a nice increase in capital out laid to buy it in the first place. That's the issue with the assessment, properties undervalued, selling for 20% more than the assessed value consistently. The valuation is supposed to be 100%.

Moultonboro has a lot of pretty sensible people who are full time residents here and for the most part don't seem like wild spenders. The issue, I believe, are transplants, used to living in cities and they have blind trust in politicians. Their population is increasing.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

What has been erected at Playground Drive at a cost of $125k +/- , lovingly paid by our taxpayers, are basically expensive chemical toilets. Many of us thought this expenditure to be frivolous and unnecessary, but there it is, and it’s not as excessive as some of what the powers that be have in the works for us. ��
P.S. Many, not all, local residents like to stick it to waterfront and non-resident taxpayers, as evidenced by town meetings year after year, wailing for a new gym, community center, etc. Last year’s graduating class had 24 seniors! Most of us do not see the need for a 6.5 million dollar expenditure. See, ITD, we are trying to save your hard-earned money!

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

What has been erected at Playground Drive at a cost of $125k +/- , lovingly paid by our taxpayers, are basically expensive chemical toilets. Many of us thought this expenditure to be frivolous and unnecessary, but there it is, and it’s not as excessive as some of what the powers that be have in the works for us. ��
P.S. Many, not all, local residents like to stick it to waterfront and non-resident taxpayers, as evidenced by town meetings year after year, wailing for a new gym, community center, etc. Last year’s graduating class had 24 seniors! Most of us do not see the need for a 6.5 million dollar expenditure. See, ITD, we are trying to save your hard-earned money!

Fortunately the whiners seem to be in the minority, for now. Chemical toilets are nasty.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by ITD

Fortunately the whiners seem to be in the minority, for now. Chemical toilets are nasty.

Actually, the whiners won the simple majority for the big expenditure, but a super majority was necessary because financing was needed. Too close for comfort. We dodged a bullet in March.

[Wifi-1]

Majority of the selectmen are out of control. Such as signing that 16.66% property re-evaluation BEFORE listening to objections from the citizens. It was all pre-decided.

[fatlazyless]

Kraine Meadow Park has a new old rest rooms, now in re-construction. Looks like it had a former life as a lumber camp out-house, supposedly from the north woods, somewhere in Stark, NH.

Is looking so very stark ....... will be a stark restrooms ...... from Stark, NH for very very short money.

Just don't anyone be complaining about the new stark, short money, rest rooms at the tennis courts.

Total town cost to purchase old outhouse from Town of Stark was one dollar ...... and worth every penny! Retrofitted with latest composting toilets ...... for a very happy non-flush!

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by Wifi-1

Majority of the selectmen are out of control. Such as signing that 16.66% property re-evaluation BEFORE listening to objections from the citizens. It was all pre-decided.

The proposed property re-evaluation is not a done deal. Real estate is currently selling above assessed value, in most cases. What we need to worry about is the millage rate, TBD. We are encouraged that 3 of the 5 BOD members are fiscally conservative and are holding the Town Administrator accountable, particularly Chuck McGee. BTW, the tax rate is set by the DRA. Stay tuned.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

The proposed property re-evaluation is not a done deal. Real estate is currently selling above assessed value, in most cases. What we need to worry about is the millage rate, TBD. We are encouraged that 3 of the 5 BOD members are fiscally conservative and are holding the Town Administrator accountable, particularly Chuck McGee. BTW, the tax rate is set by the DRA. Stay tuned.

Selectperson is a thankless job with long hours, so there's that and people don't realize the importance of Town meeting where dumb things can be stopped dead if people show up.

The increase in valuation does not increase taxes. That is done at town meeting. If taxes are not increased at town meeting then everything being equal your taxes would not increase for that year (not counting county and state taxes).

What happens with this valuation increase is the lake properties increased in value at a rate higher than non lake properties. When that happens more of the burden shifts to the lake properties because of the overall valuation shift on those properties. It's good news for the non lake properties because in my example above their taxes DECREASE.

Alas, though, politicians always want more money to spend and town meeting usually gives it to them. So I'm betting everyone's taxes will increase, with the lake properties increasing more than the non lake properties. I figure I will be paying 2% more in the zero tax increase scenario I gave up above. Any increase in spending will add to that.