Kayak Legislation

MAXUM · 01-02-2020, 04:17 PM

Just remember that this is as previously pointed out the important part for now is putting a framework into place. At some later time with another amendment "voluntary" becomes "mandatory".

I see this as a multi year and slow walked effort but let's not be naïve here, the end game is clear and not voluntary. I'm sure some would love to charge you a fee just because you exist and other to what extent you exist.

Descant · 01-02-2020, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

Just remember that this is as previously pointed out the important part for now is putting a framework into place. At some later time with another amendment "voluntary" becomes "mandatory".

I see this as a multi year and slow walked effort but let's not be naïve here, the end game is clear and not voluntary. I'm sure some would love to charge you a fee just because you exist and other to what extent you exist. :rolleye2

You may be right in the long run. I recall around 2001 when $3 was added to the boat registration fee to help control Milfoil and other invasive species. I think it is up to $9.50 now. However as lake association members know, the public has been asking for more help with milfoil control. Those who use F & G ramps are asking for more improvements, better parking, etc. There is some sentiment that yakkers should participate in managing our waters instead of just saying they cause no harm (except the cost of SAR as discussed above.) I'd rather pay a directed fee where I see direct benefit, than a general tax where we trust the legislature to pick and choose my priorities.

Descant · 01-02-2020, 04:49 PM

We're up to post #70+ on this thread and have stayed pretty much on topic. Thank you all. It's been a good conversation.

MAXUM · 01-02-2020, 06:28 PM

The state could always consider adding a option on every boat registration renewal to donate $$

There is no option to donate to this when purchasing a fishing license, there are other options but not this specifically.

The state could also consider using the lottery to raise money where certain special games could be introduced specifically benefitting the F&G.

AC2717 · 01-03-2020, 10:27 AM

if we are really looking at accepting a charge or voluntary fee then
instead of a kayak fee, charge a parking fee for the vehicle in the parking areas for ramp access
now it becomes - not a on water enforcement or a ramp enforcement. and you do not need people to run it, just a pay station in the parking lot, and when they don't pay the police can ticket and generate revenue that way for the town as well.

TiltonBB · 01-03-2020, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AC2717

if we are really looking at accepting a charge or voluntary fee then
instead of a kayak fee, charge a parking fee for the vehicle in the parking areas for ramp access
now it becomes - not a on water enforcement or a ramp enforcement. and you do not need people to run it, just a pay station in the parking lot, and when they don't pay the police can ticket and generate revenue that way for the town as well.

Difficult to enforce.

How would you know if they had launched a kayak and owed the fee?

What if the vehicle owner is just there to jump on a friends powerboat for the day? That friend would have already paid his "fee" through registration.

Would you exclude vehicles with trailers that might have hauled a boat, but could have brought in a kayak?

AC2717 · 01-03-2020, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Difficult to enforce.

How would you know if they had launched a kayak and owed the fee?

What if the vehicle owner is just there to jump on a friends powerboat for the day? That friend would have already paid his "fee" through registration.

Would you exclude vehicles with trailers that might have hauled a boat, but could have brought in a kayak?

simple, just like a regular parking lot, doesn't mater if boat or kayak, your car is in the lot you pay to use it. I'm not deciphering between boat or kayak

rick35 · 01-03-2020, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AC2717

simple, just like a regular parking lot, doesn't mater if boat or kayak, your car is in the lot you pay to use it. I'm not deciphering between boat or kayak

What lots would I need to pay to use? I already pay taxes to Meredith for poor parking at Shep Browns. Would you have me pay again? This is a very complicated topic. Every idea that has been discussed has flaws. If you can’t do it equitably the best solution is to not do it at all.

fatlazyless · 01-04-2020, 06:47 AM

Down at the parking lot at the Weirs Beach sandy beach area, the City of Laconia has a $2.00/hour pay-to-park parking lot system in place that uses a single pay station, takes quarters or credit cards, and has numbered all the different parking spaces with space numbers.

It seems to work very good, especially with using 2-quarters for 15-minutes, or 8-quarters for one hour.

A pay-to-park system seems like a doable situation for getting users to pay, at your local boat launch ramp ......... like, why not!

01-02-2020, 04:49 PM	#3
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,464 Thanks: 1,380 Thanked 1,665 Times in 1,084 Posts	Didja notice? We're up to post #70+ on this thread and have stayed pretty much on topic. Thank you all. It's been a good conversation.

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AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,585 Thanks: 756 Thanked 356 Times in 268 Posts	if we are really looking at accepting a charge or voluntary fee then instead of a kayak fee, charge a parking fee for the vehicle in the parking areas for ramp access now it becomes - not a on water enforcement or a ramp enforcement. and you do not need people to run it, just a pay station in the parking lot, and when they don't pay the police can ticket and generate revenue that way for the town as well. __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"

01-04-2020, 06:47 AM	#9
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,859 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 303 Thanked 1,040 Times in 759 Posts	...... like, why not! Down at the parking lot at the Weirs Beach sandy beach area, the City of Laconia has a $2.00/hour pay-to-park parking lot system in place that uses a single pay station, takes quarters or credit cards, and has numbered all the different parking spaces with space numbers. It seems to work very good, especially with using 2-quarters for 15-minutes, or 8-quarters for one hour. A pay-to-park system seems like a doable situation for getting users to pay, at your local boat launch ramp ......... like, why not!

01-02-2020, 04:17 PM	#1
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 246 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	Just remember that this is as previously pointed out the important part for now is putting a framework into place. At some later time with another amendment "voluntary" becomes "mandatory". I see this as a multi year and slow walked effort but let's not be naïve here, the end game is clear and not voluntary. I'm sure some would love to charge you a fee just because you exist and other to what extent you exist.

01-02-2020, 06:28 PM	#4
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 246 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	The state could always consider adding a option on every boat registration renewal to donate $$ There is no option to donate to this when purchasing a fishing license, there are other options but not this specifically. The state could also consider using the lottery to raise money where certain special games could be introduced specifically benefitting the F&G.