"Social Distancing" at the Lake

[MAXUM]

I love the newly coined phrase "social distancing" how quaint and politically correct.

It's a virus it will spread, some will die from it most will not. Simple as that. What is happening now is mass hysteria fueled by a 24X7 news cycle that has nothing better to do than whip up their viewers for ratings. That is not to downplay how severe it is, by creating mass panic it just makes it that much worse.

The world will survive this, mankind as we know it will not come to an end. If anything, we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate.

[Top-Water]

I think I'm going to try and "social distance" myself as much as posible with the smallmouth this summer.



Hopefully I'll survive.

[MAXUM]

Good way to keep people out of your hot spot. Just start coughing real bad

I ponder the thought what is adequate "social distancing" while fishing? This is VERY critical for the safety of others.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Good way to keep people out of your hot spot. Just start coughing real bad

I ponder the thought what is adequate "social distancing" while fishing? This is VERY critical for the safety of others.

Gas will be cheaper this summer. Get a bigger boat (low interest rates!) so you
can fish socially distant from the same boat. Watching the market in the last few days, I wouldn't be surprised to see some bargains in boats and other discretionary items this summer.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I ponder the thought what is adequate "social distancing"

I'm going to have to separate the stools at the tiki bar a bit more!...

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I'm going to have to separate the stools at the tiki bar a bit more!...

[garysanfran]

2009-2010 when Obama was President...60,000,000 Americans infected. 30,000 hospitalized...In the USA!

Anyone remember?

Probably not.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

2009-2010 when Obama was President...60,000,000 Americans infected. 30,000 hospitalized...In the USA!

Anyone remember?

Probably not.

Sorry, viruses have no politics. And you need to recheck your numbers...the first is correct, but the second is low by a factor of 9. From the CDC website "The United States mounted a complex, multi-faceted and long-term response to the pandemic." We're not seeing that as of now for this pandemic. Hopefully, that will change.

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[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I'm going to have to separate the stools at the tiki bar a bit more!...

LMAO...as long as you don't start "pushing them in" Dan!

[steve-on-mark]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

LMAO...as long as you don't start "pushing them in" Dan!

Yikes...I have a great joke here, but I'd better refrain!

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[Garcia]

The idea of limiting contact with others prior to a major outbreak is not new. Epidemiologists use data from the 1918 flu pandemic to help better plan for and avoid crises today. Here's one article that shows how two communities approached the 1918 flu, https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-th...tancing-works/.

Public health officials are caught between a rock and a hard place. If they do nothing and the crises grows, people complain. If they take drastic action and a crises is minimized, people say the measures were not necessary.

Right now Italy is being overwhelmed by the COVID-19 outbreak. We are a couple weeks behind them in terms of the outbreak. It certainly seems wise to take careful, thoughtful, even dramatic actions to limit the spread. Do we need to panic and make decisions based on fears? Of course not. But, thoughtful, science based decisions are prudent.

[Andromeda321]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I love the newly coined phrase "social distancing" how quaint and politically correct.

It's a virus it will spread, some will die from it most will not. Simple as that. What is happening now is mass hysteria fueled by a 24X7 news cycle that has nothing better to do than whip up their viewers for ratings. That is not to downplay how severe it is, by creating mass panic it just makes it that much worse.

The world will survive this, mankind as we know it will not come to an end. If anything, we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate.

Ok, boomer.

[Orion]

I think the property values of island properties just went up.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Orion

I think the property values of island properties just went up.

It will be an interesting season. Rates will be low but with the market taking such a beating it may limit people wanting to tap into investments or use up cash to buy a luxury item like an island property.

Me? I will be shopping. No need to overpay now.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by codeman671

It will be an interesting season. Rates will be low but with the market taking such a beating it may limit people wanting to tap into investments or use up cash to buy a luxury item like an island property.

Me? I will be shopping. No need to overpay now.

I learned a long time ago to save when things are good and buy when things aren't.

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[BroadHopper]

In the 60's, 70's and 80's, i knew a lot of folks from various part of the lake. Block parties in neighborhoods where everyone is invited were common. The water ski races and exhibits were popular places to meet folks. Sand bars were popular before all the crazy laws enacted. Neighborhoods even had crazy boat parades! Everyone was very sociable!

Now, the mcmansion owners would complain about the block parties and sand bars. Speed limit divided the lake community. Watersport activities are almost non existence! The weekend are practically crazy with the bad attitude in boating. Social disengagement becomes the norm. Sad.

[steve-on-mark]

Originally Posted by Orion

I think the property values of island properties just went up.

As long as the increases offset our 401k losses!

[TiltonBB]

Lakes Region General Hospital reports two positive tests:

From the Laconia Sun:

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...ntent=headline

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Andromeda321

Ok, boomer.

Sorry to disappoint but I'm actually way to young to be a "boomer".

[Susie Cougar]

Andromeda321, how long are they closing down for?

[Andromeda321]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

Andromeda321, how long are they closing down for?

Right now all regular activity at my work (visits, travel, gatherings over 25, etc) are suspended through April 30, with the understanding that it can of course be longer.

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by Andromeda321

Right now all regular activity at my work (visits, travel, gatherings over 25, etc) are suspended through April 30, with the understanding that it can of course be longer.

As important as these closings are, I can’t help but feel sorry for the people who will be affected the most, the hourly workers who do not have sick pay or vacation pay or any time to use. Food-service workers are going to be hit very hard by this. All those workers in all those school cafeterias. So many people live from paycheck to paycheck anyway, I’m not sure what people are supposed to do in a situation like this.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

So many people live from paycheck to paycheck anyway, I’m not sure what people are supposed to do in a situation like this.

You asked the question.

A : Create government nanny state program (slash) feel good legeslation and everything will be fine.

[Overlake97]

“LONDON (Reuters) - At least one in five people worldwide were infected with swine flu during the first year of the 2009-2010 H1N1 pandemic, an international research group said on Friday, but the death rate was just 0.02 percent.” COVID-19’s mortality rate looks to be around 3%, overall; higher for people over 65 (not sure of that number).

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Overlake97

“LONDON (Reuters) - At least one in five people worldwide were infected with swine flu during the first year of the 2009-2010 H1N1 pandemic, an international research group said on Friday, but the death rate was just 0.02 percent.” COVID-19’s mortality rate looks to be around 3%, overall; higher for people over 65 (not sure of that number).

While at the moment those numbers may be accurate at the outset of H1N1 the mortality rate being observed was reported to be in a similar range as well but as time went on and it ran it's due course the actual numbers were far from that. In fact I recall where it was first observed the mortality rate was very high. It's all in how accurate the sampling is, as already noted by several doctors I have seen interviewed who appear to be interested in spreading fact not fear, many cases will be mild and as such may not be identified as COVID-19. Instead it seems quite plausible the numbers are skewed now because nobody has an accurate count of how many actually are infected or recovered.

It would be nice if there was more responsible reporting on this. Not to downplay the threat, but to put context to it. That way the focus can be placed on protecting those who's lives really do depend on protection from it. We are NOT in the midst of a Zombie Apocalypse as many would like you to believe.

[Top-Water]

My son who works in a hospital operating room in southern new hampshire said it best last night on our way out to dinner last evening.

I wish the talking heads that are not qualified to speak about the issuse would just shut up. ............ we can't even do elective surgery anymore. Way to much misinformation.

Originally Posted by MAXUM

It would be nice if there was more responsible reporting on this. Not to downplay the threat, but to put context to it. That way the focus can be placed on protecting those who's lives really do depend on protection from it. We are NOT in the midst of a Zombie Apocalypse as many would like you to believe.

[MAXUM]

When you have politicians pontificating about xenophobia, as if that is relevant to the situation at hand, it's pretty clear we are not in grave danger from this virus, we are in grave danger because the people who are in placed in a position of authority are completely and utterly incompetent.

For once it would be nice to see the political posturing to stop and the entire country band together and address this like adults. Fact is a virus has no concept of race or political persuasion.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

While at the moment those numbers may be accurate at the outset of H1N1 the mortality rate being observed was reported to be in a similar range as well but as time went on and it ran it's due course the actual numbers were far from that. In fact I recall where it was first observed the mortality rate was very high. It's all in how accurate the sampling is, as already noted by several doctors I have seen interviewed who appear to be interested in spreading fact not fear, many cases will be mild and as such may not be identified as COVID-19. Instead it seems quite plausible the numbers are skewed now because nobody has an accurate count of how many actually are infected or recovered.

It would be nice if there was more responsible reporting on this. Not to downplay the threat, but to put context to it. That way the focus can be placed on protecting those who's lives really do depend on protection from it. We are NOT in the midst of a Zombie Apocalypse as many would like you to believe.

This is completely reasonable, and it's critical that we have responsible reporting. But a central problem here is that it is extraordinarily difficult to predict or even understand exponential growth. So when we see something dangerous growing exponentially, it is responsible to sound the alarm.

Here's a bit of fun to illustrate the exponential growth problem--take a sheet of paper and fold it in half. Then fold it half again (so that the sheet is now 1/4 of it's original size and 4 sheets thick). Then fold it in half again, and again...Assuming we could fold the paper in half 40 times and then sit it on the a table, how tall would the stack be?

A beer on my porch in June awaits the first reasonably close guesser.

[AC2717]

Can someone give an update on the ground thaw? I want to turn my water on and get started a lot earlier than normal this year

[MAXUM]

2^(40) - 1

It's a big number! I just don't have a calculator handy to do this math.

[Top-Water]

Not solve-able ........ you did not include the thickness of the paper. So how can you figure it out how tall it is.

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

how tall would the stack be?

[Mr. V]

Seems pretty simple to me.

People who don't care whether or not they contract the virus can blithely not practice "social distancing," whereas those who must avoid it due to underlying health problems or those who simply don't want to catch the flu will practice it.

Your choice.

Life free or try.

[MAXUM]

Depends on if you are looking for an actual measurement of thickness versus how many layers would be created as a result.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Depends on if you are looking for an actual measurement of thickness versus how many layers would be created as a result.

Now you talking like Bill Clinton trying to figure out what the defenition of is, is.


There is a solution to FlyingScot question but it has to be written correctly with all the necesarry data in order to be solved.

[Susie Cougar]

.1*2(40)=
109,951,162,778
I am assuming that the paper is .1 mm thick.

[Susie Cougar]

I wrote the formula wrong.

2^40x.1=
Same answer
109,951,162,778

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

.1*2(40)=
109,951,162,778
I am assuming that the paper is .1 mm thick.

If you fold it 42 times it would reach the moon and a little more at 1mm thick

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Edit at work most of us agree its .0023 - .0025 inches thick is the averrage in inches. I think most paper is graded in {bonds}

[Descant]

Folding paper is an old bar bet. You can't fold it more than 8 times. Put your beer down and try it. Get a bigger piece of paper and try again. Now, give your credit card to the bartender. You lost twice.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Descant

Folding paper is an old bar bet. You can't fold it more than 8 times. Put your beer down and try it. Get a bigger piece of paper and try again. Now, give your credit card to the bartender. You lost twice.

But the question said Assuming we could fold the paper in half 40 times

[Susie Cougar]

Riverside Elementary School is holding an election to determine the new school color. 5/8 of the votes are for blue, 5/9 of the remaining votes are for green, and the remaining 48 votes are red. How many votes were for blue?

Do you like this question better? My daughter sent it to me a couple of weeks ago. She couldn’t figure it out. It’s fifth grade math.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

Riverside Elementary School is holding an election to determine the new school color. 5/8 of the votes are for blue, 5/9 of the remaining votes are for green, and the remaining 48 votes are red. How many votes were for blue?

Do you like this question better? My daughter sent it to me a couple of weeks ago. She couldn’t figure it out. It’s fifth grade math.

I'm sorry to interrupt .... one little short moment........... but the best one on the forum was the one about Sea-Level - Water Level and what you can or could see from Alton To Center Harbor.

Now back to Susie's question.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

Riverside Elementary School is holding an election to determine the new school color. 5/8 of the votes are for blue, 5/9 of the remaining votes are for green, and the remaining 48 votes are red. How many votes were for blue?



Do you like this question better? My daughter sent it to me a couple of weeks ago. She couldn’t figure it out. It’s fifth grade math.

180


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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by Andromeda321

Ok, boomer.

I hope you’re not an educator with this kind of response.


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[Susie Cougar]

All public schools in Maryland are closed immediately until March 27.
I guess people are starting to take this as seriously as they should. It’s just too bad that my grandkids can’t come down here for a couple of weeks while they’re out of school. They get to be stuck in Baltimore city with nothing to do.
Being stuck at the lake sounds pretty good to me.

[nj2nh]

Originally Posted by Andromeda321

Ok, boomer.

Ok, boomer? Could you be any ruder or more obnoxious? Since when did those born before 1964 become vilified and stupid?


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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by nj2nh

Ok, boomer? Could you be any ruder or more obnoxious? Since when did those born before 1964 become vilified and stupid?


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Didn’t you know that all the current ills of society were caused by boomers?


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[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by nj2nh

Ok, boomer? Could you be any ruder or more obnoxious?

I found the comment to be apt.

It's a dismissive shortcut, ala "that's enough, grandpa, now go watch Fox news."

It was a curt, on point response to Maxum's asinine claim that "we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate."

[Andromeda321]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

I found the comment to be apt.

It's a dismissive shortcut, ala "that's enough, grandpa, now go watch Fox news."

It was a curt, on point response to Maxum's asinine claim that "we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate."

Yes. It's not about age.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I love the newly coined phrase "social distancing" how quaint and politically correct.

It's a virus it will spread, some will die from it most will not. Simple as that. What is happening now is mass hysteria fueled by a 24X7 news cycle that has nothing better to do than whip up their viewers for ratings. That is not to downplay how severe it is, by creating mass panic it just makes it that much worse.

The world will survive this, mankind as we know it will not come to an end. If anything, we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate.

We could be like China and have all our news coming from the Government. They downplayed the virus until it was so bad they couldn't hide the results any longer.
My best friend has business associates over there and he said they all told him that it's much worse than the government is letting on.

[nj2nh]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I love the newly coined phrase "social distancing" how quaint and politically correct.

It's a virus it will spread, some will die from it most will not. Simple as that. What is happening now is mass hysteria fueled by a 24X7 news cycle that has nothing better to do than whip up their viewers for ratings. That is not to downplay how severe it is, by creating mass panic it just makes it that much worse.

The world will survive this, mankind as we know it will not come to an end. If anything, we should be psyched for "global warming" as once it gets hot according to scientists this thing should dissipate.

No one can say for sure that this will dissipate in warm weather. Italy is warm. The Middle East is warm. Spain is warm. All are hot spots right now.

I prefer panic to complacency which is infinitely worse.


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[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by nj2nh

No one can say for sure that this will dissipate in warm weather. Italy is warm. The Middle East is warm. Spain is warm. All are hot spots right now.

I prefer panic to complacency which is infinitely worse.


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An interesting map showing the current "hot spots" as it relates to temperature.... all these areas are in a similar temperature band.

Again it's early to make assumptions here, but there certainly seems to be a trend forming. There have already been observations doing in labs indicating that temperature, more so humidity has a direct effect on the ease at which this spreads.