Opening for Business—State By State?

[gravy boat]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

I WILL change my out in public habits, especially immediately after the restrictions are lifted, and probably for six or more months after that.

The big fear of course is that once social distancing etc. is lifted people will once again mix freely, and those who still are infected will infect others: hello, round two.

But what else can you do?

I'll tell you: the safest thing to do is to keep restrictions in effect until a truly viable vaccine is developed, and we've all been inoculated with it: only then should the restrictions be lifted.

But I understand the pressure to get "back to normal" is intense, but most politicians are weak, venal creatures who will bow to the prevailing winds to ensure reelection.

"We have met the enemy, and it is us." -- Pogo

I would hope that as we start to reopen the businesses (at least those that have survived the forced closing) that face masks ( and gloves if applicable) are available for anybody who feels they need it in the workplace. Those with pre-existing medical conditions or who are over 60 will need to take extra precautions as each person sees fit. Social distancing will likely remain for a bit - as much as it can - in the workplace and retail. Start reopening sooner than later to save as many businesses and livelihoods as possible.

As for a vaccine - that could take up to 6 months or so. And by that time will the virus have mutated? Then what -- we start this all over again? Round two may be inevitable, no matter how much we try to prevent it.

As we've seen in the last several days US citizens are growing weary of being told to continue to sacrifice -- more and more are protesting as they want to go back to work and make money so they can pay their rent or mortgage, feed their families, keep their vehicles, etc. Many are rightfully concerned that the rights they've so freely given up this last month will not return - and that possibility is frightening.

GB

[Mr. V]

I would hope that as we start to reopen the businesses (at least those that have survived the forced closing) that face masks ( and gloves if applicable) are available for anybody who feels they need it in the workplace.

There's something inconsistent about how the pols and experts have morphed the "mask" issue.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but early on didn't they tell us not to bother to wear masks?

Now it is suggested that we wear them?

Why? What changed?

As I understand it, the ONLY GOOD THING that masks can do is prevent you from giving the virus to someone if you already have it: it will not protect someone who is exposed to it.

Aren't our eyes a vulnerable area and subject to catching the virus?

Shouldn't we wear goggles also?

I like the design pictured below: clever, but is it effective?

[CanisLupusArctos]

Regardless of any efforts, two things always determine the outcome of any given situation like this: (1) Individual level mental health AND human nature; and (2) Cold, cruel finances. Those two things are in the minds of all high-level officials as they consider opening things up again. I really don't think the idea of opening up for Easter was ever serious. Certain things have to be suggested in order to keep people as calm as possible. Very likely they knew "lockdown" would require a couple months minimum, but that news would not have gone over very well. They started us off with "For a couple of weeks" and have gone incrementally from there.

Why? All high level officials get briefed on typical human reactions to certain things, and they all spend lots of time looking at budgets. They don't come out and deliver the cold realities because that produces horrible reactions. They know we can't stay like this or we WILL break, mentally and financially, and they know we can't jump back to the way we were, because the virus is waiting for that to happen. It is as if we are hiding from Africanized killer bees while holding our breath under Lake Winnipesaukee. They're waiting for us to come up because they know we have to. Sometimes life really sucks like that, and we're there now.

Mental health: Around the world right now, individuals ARE breaking down, and nothing can stop that without spreading the virus. My doctor had that conversation with me. Most methods for prevention of mental breakdown, conversion-to-irrationality, and suicide/homicide work against the prevention of diseases. That's "kind of a problem" right now. He admitted there's no point staying safe from a virus if it means you break down instead. He knows I've learned a lot in counseling (and finished) and told me to weigh that stuff with the virus prevention stuff at all times. Both are medical advice. Both are valid. They just happen to work against each other right now, and that sucks, for everyone. There's been plenty of documentation on what happens to normal people under certain circumstances. Civilians don't have military training to raise their tolerance for mental stress. We only have a stigma on mental health that's now screwing us over.

I KNOW firsthand that people who were "normal" before ARE going to be "off" for a while after this happens. "Loss of social skills" doesn't sound like a big deal, but it's one of the leading factors behind every mass shooting and other random acts of horror that no one can understand. When I was newly recovering, I went to every situation I'd known before, and failed miserably. I needed a friend to function as wing-man for the first couple of weeks. He'd stomp my foot if I got too chatty, forgot to shake hands, or committed other social violations. It took 4 months to get back to functioning independently and even then, a group of communications professors I met at a dinner presentation told me they could tell I wasn't 100% yet. They gave me a timeline for return-to-normal-function based on brain cell biology. Those same concepts WILL apply to every person who has mortal human brain cells. We've never been through a psychological scenario (some say "experiment") like this before, ever. So we can only make broad guesses about how people will be. They will NOT be popping back up unless they've been regularly socializing and mixing among others.

Finances: Mental health directly affects the economy. When people feel hopeless about the future, even if it's bright, the economy slumps. The governments of the world aren't going to tell everyone "it's hopeless because we're out of money," because that will incite a worldwide riot. They will try to ease people into the frigid water as the Titanic sinks. There are already signs in various news sources that "we can't keep a system alive much longer without loans or revenue." And the loan sources are drying up around the world because no one has much revenue anymore. Italian news has already mentioned the nation's debt situation very casually. Brits have been posting comments of wondering how long their NHS can stay at full throttle while the tanks are quickly running dry. The US has already seen casual headlines about funds running out. The IMF has already casually hinted at financial catastrophe. It's basic math: Our lifesaving systems require continuous support from a large number of people who are no longer able (or as able) to provide it.

Complications: The masses don't understand vaccines are NOT a cure-all. The flu vaccine is FAR from 100% effective. It's "better than nothing" and that's as good as it's ever been. That's why lots of people still get the flu after getting a shot for it.

The virus has demonstrated (A) an ability to mutate in a host (person) and come out slightly different from how it went in. It's also jumped from animals to humans and back into animals. Wildlife (including but not limited to rats) are moving into the spaces we left vacant. Rats in many cities are now following their noses to where people are generating garbage (home instead of public) and are hungry enough to try getting inside. They carry 55 different pathogens, and coronavirus might already be #56 for all we humans know. We'll be discovering such things in the months ahead. Coyotes are in and around NYC area. They have been known to mate with domestic dogs to create coydogs -- a rabies and maul hazard. Given that coronavirus found its way into a zoo tiger, the idea of a rabid corona coydog isn't far-fetched. These are the things nerds are considering. There's no guarantee they'll happen, but the virus has already shown its ability to make that a reality. We get to find out "yes or no" on the coyotes, rats, and 1,000 other dominoes in the months ahead. The ideal outcome is possible. Hear Clint Eastwood ask us all, "You feelin' lucky punk?"

We have no good options at the moment. Don't expect public announcements to say that. It's been that way in weather for many years. Forecaster discussions have always been the place to learn about the big storm far in advance while the public announcement does its best to pacify the audience until it's time to shout "Blizzard" or "Tornado." A lot of people don't know how to handle the technical explanations that deliver the truth, OR use the information to navigate through it. Tornadoes are approachable, but you MUST know them technically, inside and out or you will die. Same for house fires. Same for germs. People who work in biocontainment labs are the medical equivalent of *trained* storm chasers in meteorology, the same firefighters in 911. They all have training to work with hazards.

Now look around at the number of people using masks and gloves incorrectly. None of them are really protected. They don't know how to use PPE and are just wasting it. Examples: Touching your mask and then touching your face after taking it off -- whatever's on the mask is now on your face where it would've been if you hadn't worn a mask at all. Wearing rubber gloves to the supermarket and using your hands the same as you normally would -- you're still spreading germs to yourself and others, except with latex instead of your skin. People ditching used latex gloves in parking lots -- spreads the virus to anyone who might step on them, or a child who picks one up. Going gloveless and using hand sanitizer is better than tossing used gloves on the ground. That's a huge part of the problem -- we all need medical-grade TRAINING, not just medical grade PPE, and we have plenty of people in society who (no joke) can't manage a "boil water" order for 48 hours.

There are so many "oh crap" factors for this virus. The problem boils down to "on the one hand, we have (A), but then we also must consider (B). Sometimes, (C) will be a factor, and we must weigh the likelihood of (D).

We've become a society of debaters fighting in favor of (A) or (B), when either one will defeat the purpose of the other.

Inspiration: The most hopeful thing to say is a call-out to enterprising people of all thought levels: "Put opinions and emotions aside as much as possible, Get into scientific thinking, make lists of (A) through (D) and produce the solution of best outcome, remembering ideal isn't an option for anyone anymore."

Around the lake we've got some great minds, some outside-the-box thinkers (including innovative rednecks whose ideas are as valid as anyone else's in times like this), we have people inspired by the waves, the sunrises and sunsets, we've got high level people and people connected to high level people. Imagine if a major pandemic solution went into the history books as originating in a bunch of folks at Lake Winnipesaukee.

[marinewife]

statnews.com How prepared is your county for Covid-19

The above was sent to me today by a friend in Alton.

It is a website that you can plug in any county in the country and see a list of ratings on how well your county is prepared as well as when the virus is expected to peak.


I typed in Carroll County NH- the peak date is AUGUST 3.

Scary.

[gwhite13]

There go the rentals

[coolyourjets]

Originally Posted by marinewife

statnews.com How prepared is your county for Covid-19

The above was sent to me today by a friend in Alton.

It is a website that you can plug in any county in the country and see a list of ratings on how well your county is prepared as well as when the virus is expected to peak.

I typed in Carroll County NH- the peak date is AUGUST 3.

Scary.

Unfortunately, this is not surprising with the way it spreads. I came up to the lake for the day to take care of some business this week and frankly, I was very surprised at the number of people NOT wearing masks in stores. I saw very few. I know it’s rather odd and can make people self-conscious but if people don’t take this small step,the area will eventually be hit at least moderately hard as more people arrive in the area as the weather warms. I also saw many people stopping and talking with each other as if nothing was going on. The vast majority of experts say social distancing works. Stop and talk, just stay far enough apart. I fear for what this summer and autumn will look like here if what I witnessed is the norm.


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[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by coolyourjets

Unfortunately, this is not surprising with the way it spreads. I came up to the lake for the day to take care of some business this week and frankly, I was very surprised at the number of people NOT wearing masks in stores. I saw very few. I know it’s rather odd and can make people self-conscious but if people don’t take this small step,the area will eventually be hit at least moderately hard as more people arrive in the area as the weather warms. I also saw many people stopping and talking with each other as if nothing was going on. The vast majority of experts say social distancing works. Stop and talk, just stay far enough apart. I fear for what this summer and autumn will look like here if what I witnessed is the norm.


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Hold on, you came up to the Lake for the day and were out shopping? You're giving people grief about not wearing masks?

[coolyourjets]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Hold on, you came up to the Lake for the day and were out shopping? You're giving people grief about not wearing masks?

I'm not sure where you got "giving people grief"? I was making an observation based on guidelines issued by the government saying that people should wear face coverings and that people should maintain social distance when in public spaces. Both of which I was observing when I went shopping, which is my right to do.

My point was that based on what I saw, it won't be surprising if the lack of observance creates issues later on. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by coolyourjets

I'm not sure where you got "giving people grief"? I was making an observation based on guidelines issued by the government saying that people should wear face coverings and that people should maintain social distance when in public spaces. Both of which I was observing when I went shopping, which is my right to do.

My point was that based on what I saw, it won't be surprising if the lack of observance creates issues later on. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I agree that it may cause issues. I was pointing out that coming here from somewhere, shopping and then posting about the lack of face coverings is a little hypocritical, given the guidance and directives from our officials.

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by coolyourjets

Unfortunately, this is not surprising with the way it spreads. I came up to the lake for the day to take care of some business this week and frankly, I was very surprised at the number of people NOT wearing masks in stores. I saw very few. I know it’s rather odd and can make people self-conscious but if people don’t take this small step,the area will eventually be hit at least moderately hard as more people arrive in the area as the weather warms. I also saw many people stopping and talking with each other as if nothing was going on. The vast majority of experts say social distancing works. Stop and talk, just stay far enough apart. I fear for what this summer and autumn will look like here if what I witnessed is the norm.


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I think you totally missed the point that you are part of the way that it spreads. You’re not supposed to come up here and go into stores before you have spent 14 days in quarantine to make sure that you are safe to go out to stores.

[coolyourjets]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

I think you totally missed the point that you are part of the way that it spreads. You’re not supposed to come up here and go into stores before you have spent 14 days in quarantine to make sure that you are safe to go out to stores.

You should be far less worried about me, who practices social distancing, wears a mask, uses a bucket of hand sanitizer a week, than you should be of the zero people I saw wearing masks last week. Make no mistake, people are still traveling. I saw plenty of out of state plates up there as I see plenty of them daily in MA.


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[trackeer]

Originally Posted by coolyourjets

You should be far less worried about me, who practices social distancing, wears a mask, uses a bucket of hand sanitizer a week, than you should be of the zero people I saw wearing masks last week. Make no mistake, people are still traveling. I saw plenty of out of state plates up there as I see plenty of them daily in MA.


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So, we went to work on the house at the lake from Nashua 04/18, went did our stuff came back home, no stops, here's what we saw Motorcycles everywhere (I also Ride), out of state plates, for the most part NO one social distancing or mask. Ok, so I must admit I was somewhat taken back, truth in Nashua many folks are adhering to the program, and not for nothing, Ma is 3rd highest cases in the USA, Middlesex County being the worse, the county that borders Southern NH, where many folks pass through heading north, no offence folks, but the Boston Mayor stated he was very disappointed in those NOT following guidelines, I'm not saying it was just MA and/or out of state folks, but summer isn't here yet!
There seems to be some apathy about this virus, some don't realize when they start TRACING(Look it Up) many folks will wind up in quarantine for at least 14 days, just by association, yea the peep standing next to you, or the older folks walking by when you coughed. Not for nothing, what does rebelling or failing to do the basic 's accomplish. If you have the bug, you and all those who decided to snub the recommendations wind up in quarantine for at least 14 days (Sick or Not), that'll suck huh. Or perhaps worse, one of your loved becomes ill and perhaps draws the short straw and dies, I'm amazed, if it was that some folks who do as they wish simply hurt themselves, no big deal, but in this case reckless behavior puts many innocent folks at risk.
So, yes this truly really sucks, but here in NH we've been lucky so far, but if what we saw in Laconia stays the course that may be short lived.
Simply Wear a Mask, Stay 6 Feet Away, Wash Your Hands, treat the situation like it was a loved one your protecting or maybe it could be someone else's loved one!!!! If your from MA, NY, Ct, RI etc. have some decency and do the right thing, which is self quarantine if you plan to stay, (14 Days), or just stay home till the smoke settles.

Thanks a Concerned NH Native and Family

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by trackeer

So, we went to work on the house at the lake from Nashua 04/18, went did our stuff came back home, no stops, here's what we saw Motorcycles everywhere (I also Ride), out of state plates, for the most part NO one social distancing or mask. Ok, so I must admit I was somewhat taken back, truth in Nashua many folks are adhering to the program, and not for nothing, Ma is 3rd highest cases in the USA, Middlesex County being the worse, the county that borders Southern NH, where many folks pass through heading north, no offence folks, but the Boston Mayor stated he was very disappointed in those NOT following guidelines, I'm not saying it was just MA and/or out of state folks, but summer isn't here yet!
There seems to be some apathy about this virus, some don't realize when they start TRACING(Look it Up) many folks will wind up in quarantine for at least 14 days, just by association, yea the peep standing next to you, or the older folks walking by when you coughed. Not for nothing, what does rebelling or failing to do the basic 's accomplish. If you have the bug, you and all those who decided to snub the recommendations wind up in quarantine for at least 14 days (Sick or Not), that'll suck huh. Or perhaps worse, one of your loved becomes ill and perhaps draws the short straw and dies, I'm amazed, if it was that some folks who do as they wish simply hurt themselves, no big deal, but in this case reckless behavior puts many innocent folks at risk.
So, yes this truly really sucks, but here in NH we've been lucky so far, but if what we saw in Laconia stays the course that may be short lived.
Simply Wear a Mask, Stay 6 Feet Away, Wash Your Hands, treat the situation like it was a loved one your protecting or maybe it could be someone else's loved one!!!! If your from MA, NY, Ct, RI etc. have some decency and do the right thing, which is self quarantine if you plan to stay, (14 Days), or just stay home till the smoke settles.

Thanks a Concerned NH Native and Family

I've been in Meredith the past couple weekends and it's been very good. There are people out and about but for the most part they are staying far away from each other. Not everyone in wearing masks but them seem to be keeping a safe distance apart from one another.

[trackeer]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I've been in Meredith the past couple weekends and it's been very good. There are people out and about but for the most part they are staying far away from each other. Not everyone in wearing masks but them seem to be keeping a safe distance apart from one another.

That's good, but it wasn't that way in Laconia the day we went, sadly!!!

[ApS]

Reporting from Florida, where my county allows only residents to enter:


Over on the West Coast, 27,000 employees are returning to the Boeing plant today.

https://q13fox.com/2020/04/16/back-t...ing-next-week/

Here on the East Coast, a Massachusetts judge has released a prisoner with Wuhan Flu symptoms to prevent a flu-surge throughout the marginal social-distancing found among inmates.

Jailed for selling heroin, the felon will stay with his mother in her assisted-living facility near Boston.

Meanwhile, the courts still cash their paychecks.

[bilproject]

When I read someone get chastised for driving up to New Hampshire and going to a store I wonder how many people, including those that set the guidelines really understand what the rules are. Apparently some of the comments follow a rule that once you leave your home and travel to a different state or place you must quarantine for 14 days before going out in public. If this person was practicing social distancing and traveled directly by car, then why when someone goes to the gas station for gas are they not expected to quarantine for 14 days before going out again? I just don't think the guidelines/rules have been adequately explained leaving room for rules police to emerge especially on social media. I think we were given guidelines to follow using common sense ( something becoming scarcer than M95 masks). I am in Florida right now and our county has has 770 cases of which 340 are active which means that 1 out of every 2000 is known to have the virus. Which brings up another point, testing. Every politician and medical person they trot out before the cameras says testing is the answer to opening the economy. But no one is saying who exactly we are going to test. I fear that this is a false narrative as unless we all isolate from one another and are all tested at the same time, the virus will continue to slither between those untested and those already tested. The language about why we shut down the economy is also changing. Remember we were told that the economy was shut down to flatten the curve so that the hospitals were not over run. Now we are hearing that if we go back to work there will be more cases and deaths. What is now beginning to emerge is the truth. We are all going to get this virus sooner or later and some of us will die from it. Immunologists are now saying that the savior vaccine we are waiting for will not work 100% and could even offer little protection. The truth is that vaccine used against mutating viruses have generally been between 40 and 80 percent effective. The effects of this shut down are becoming dangerous. The government is trying to blunt the economic hardship but it's systems were never designed to have 22 million people file for unemployment in 3 weeks. They can not get stimulus checks out to all the people in a week or two. The size of the lines at food banks is astounding and the people interviewed while waiting are becoming desperate and the food banks are not able to serve all of those in line. I fear we are very close to hearing the first reports of robbery of groceries in the Winn Dixie parking lot. The country needs to get back to work and soon. Some level of death will happen. Will it be acceptable? Of course it is not. All will need to practice separation as much as possible. Those of us over 60 or with conditions will have to stay isolated until we see what happens with infection rates. Hope you all stay well.

[trackeer]

Originally Posted by bilproject

When I read someone get chastised for driving up to New Hampshire and going to a store I wonder how many people, including those that set the guidelines really understand what the rules are. Apparently some of the comments follow a rule that once you leave your home and travel to a different state or place you must quarantine for 14 days before going out in public. If this person was practicing social distancing and traveled directly by car, then why when someone goes to the gas station for gas are they not expected to quarantine for 14 days before going out again? I just don't think the guidelines/rules have been adequately explained leaving room for rules police to emerge especially on social media. I think we were given guidelines to follow using common sense ( something becoming scarcer than M95 masks). I am in Florida right now and our county has has 770 cases of which 340 are active which means that 1 out of every 2000 is known to have the virus. Which brings up another point, testing. Every politician and medical person they trot out before the cameras says testing is the answer to opening the economy. But no one is saying who exactly we are going to test. I fear that this is a false narrative as unless we all isolate from one another and are all tested at the same time, the virus will continue to slither between those untested and those already tested. The language about why we shut down the economy is also changing. Remember we were told that the economy was shut down to flatten the curve so that the hospitals were not over run. Now we are hearing that if we go back to work there will be more cases and deaths. What is now beginning to emerge is the truth. We are all going to get this virus sooner or later and some of us will die from it. Immunologists are now saying that the savior vaccine we are waiting for will not work 100% and could even offer little protection. The truth is that vaccine used against mutating viruses have generally been between 40 and 80 percent effective. The effects of this shut down are becoming dangerous. The government is trying to blunt the economic hardship but it's systems were never designed to have 22 million people file for unemployment in 3 weeks. They can not get stimulus checks out to all the people in a week or two. The size of the lines at food banks is astounding and the people interviewed while waiting are becoming desperate and the food banks are not able to serve all of those in line. I fear we are very close to hearing the first reports of robbery of groceries in the Winn Dixie parking lot. The country needs to get back to work and soon. Some level of death will happen. Will it be acceptable? Of course it is not. All will need to practice separation as much as possible. Those of us over 60 or with conditions will have to stay isolated until we see what happens with infection rates. Hope you all stay well.

The simple rules is, Wear a Mask(It Should Be), Wash Your Hands (Alot), or Use Sanitizer (Alcohol 65 Percent), Stand Away 6(Six) Feet. This IS NOT rocket science just good ole common sense in nerve wracking times. I agree let's open the country back up, ASAP, but not in a haphazard way. People need to adhere to simple rules first, this allows the virus less opportunity to continue to spread. BTW, I'm in the 60+ crowd, I don't really feel like dying just yet, and not because we did stupid ****. If peeps can't follow simple rules just what makes anyone think we can safely open the doors back up. Just a FYI, this virus doesn't age discriminate younger, young, middle,old, older, it's worse for the older crowd that find themselves in assisted living nursing homes and they are trapped, in Nashua that's one of the hardest hit locals and the biggest contributor to death in the city.
Let's be real folks, it's on us if you think the govment is gonna miraculously save your asses, think again, or watch some CNN, Fox, or pick you poison.

[Bigstan]

Originally Posted by trackeer

The simple rules is, Wear a Mask(It Should Be), Wash Your Hands (Alot), or Use Sanitizer (Alcohol 65 Percent), Stand Away 6(Six) Feet. This IS NOT rocket science just good ole common sense in nerve wracking times. I agree let's open the country back up, ASAP, but not in a haphazard way. People need to adhere to simple rules first, this allows the virus less opportunity to continue to spread. BTW, I'm in the 60+ crowd, I don't really feel like dying just yet, and not because we did stupid ****. If peeps can't follow simple rules just what makes anyone think we can safely open the doors back up. Just a FYI, this virus doesn't age discriminate younger, young, middle,old, older, it's worse for the older crowd that find themselves in assisted living nursing homes and they are trapped, in Nashua that's one of the hardest hit locals and the biggest contributor to death in the city.
Let's be real folks, it's on us if you think the govment is gonna miraculously save your asses, think again, or watch some CNN, Fox, or pick you poison.

Holy Rehash Batman...I think everyone knows this by now?

[trackeer]

Originally Posted by Bigstan

Holy Rehash Batman...I think everyone knows this by now?

Great, all they have to do is do it, Knowing is only half the battle actually doing is another........

We run a Commercial/Industrial cleaning company, we are working everyday and the rules are constantly reinforced. Humans especially Americans have what is known as selective hearing, or the forget syndrome, you know it happened last week, what!!!

Yep, Re-Hash everyday here, one goes down and many follow, sick not sick at home 14 days, we can't run our biz that way.

So, Yes Robin it is what it is!!!!

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

I would hope that as we start to reopen the businesses (at least those that have survived the forced closing) that face masks ( and gloves if applicable) are available for anybody who feels they need it in the workplace. Those with pre-existing medical conditions or who are over 60 will need to take extra precautions as each person sees fit. Social distancing will likely remain for a bit - as much as it can - in the workplace and retail. Start reopening sooner than later to save as many businesses and livelihoods as possible.

As for a vaccine - that could take up to 6 months or so. And by that time will the virus have mutated? Then what -- we start this all over again? Round two may be inevitable, no matter how much we try to prevent it.

As we've seen in the last several days US citizens are growing weary of being told to continue to sacrifice -- more and more are protesting as they want to go back to work and make money so they can pay their rent or mortgage, feed their families, keep their vehicles, etc. Many are rightfully concerned that the rights they've so freely given up this last month will not return - and that possibility is frightening.

GB

As you drink that kool-aid, I might suggest that your think about it.... The issue that you will see once this Stay-Home order is lifted.... many of the minimum wage jobs will continue to be vacant. THIS will force the permanent closure of many retail and RESTAURANT/BAR jobs.

These workers will grab the quick money. (A couple hundred bucks a week for UE plus their windfall of $600/wk). By the time the bonus round of $600/wk is removed, the season will be over... and business will have closed.