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[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

This may not be a viable option for you, but it would work: find an RV on craigslist, buy it, stock it with food and drive to NH.

Once you're here you could live in the RV until your NH home can be occupied, then you can either keep or sell the RV.

Sounds like this option would be like
"Living in a van down by the river."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv2VIEY9-A8

[AC2717]

maybe check to see if anyone is renting their cottage or home out for a long term rental or even for just a month as a start

[SailinAway]

I think it's inevitable that the virus crisis leads to bitterness and conflict. This crisis---perhaps any crisis---reveals things that were fundamentally wrong in a society before the crisis. Of course, people don't see those things the same way. For example, not everyone is convinced that all people deserve healthcare, or that it should be affordable (or free). So naturally a health crisis is going to exacerbate that division of social beliefs. Not everyone agrees that all people should have affordable housing. So when there's an economic crisis and people can no longer pay their rent or their mortgage (which were too high before the crisis), there is disagreement about what should be done.

Another fundamental question that shows a deep divide in our country is who we should be concerned about and protect: ourselves, family, strangers we come in contact with, state, nation, continent, or world? Should I have to give up my freedom so someone else is protected? That question caused a vehement argument in this forum.

And of course there's the question of responsibility. If people can't take care of themselves, who should help them? Should my taxes be used to take care of my neighbor, people in other states, people in other countries, small businesses, large corporations? Again, a deep divide.

Politics is not something that stands alone and can be kept separate from the rest of our lives. Politics is a direct reflection of our society, values, and beliefs. Maybe the most important beliefs are about power and wealth---how much power and wealth different kinds of people deserve and what they can't and can't do with it.

In that sense, COVID-19 is a political event, and it's not surprising that people quickly stake out a political position on it. However, your point is still very well taken: we certainly need to come together and help one another and solve this crisis together. (Notice, though, that that statement itself reflects a particular political belief about the unity of society or the world.) My hope is that when it's over, we will be able to look back and see the social causes of the crisis and fix some of the broken things that led to it.

[SAB1]

Yup pretty much agree Chasedawg but that’s the way these forums go. been on some great ones in the past but they all seem to go down the crapper. I was a member here back in the late 90’s early 2000’s. Was very amicable then. I moved off when it went downhill and just came back a few years ago under another name. Rarely post now though.

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by SAB1

Yup pretty much agree Chasedawg but that’s the way these forums go. been on some great ones in the past but they all seem to go down the crapper. I was a member here back in the late 90’s early 2000’s. Was very amicable then. I moved off when it went downhill and just came back a few years ago under another name. Rarely post now though.

Many of us seem to agree. Any ideas how this can be turned aound so that we can get relief from the hostile snappy negative attitude?

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

Many of us seem to agree. Any ideas how this can be turned aound so that we can get relief from the hostile snappy negative attitude?

1. Call people out for it.
2. Ignore it.
3. Play with it.
4. Admin gets aggressive with redefining what's appropriate.

I actually don't mind the political stuff getting a tad nasty—though it's not my MO, it's to be expected in a political section/thread given today's climate. I'm more annoyed by the "post police" who show up to ridicule "too many posts" or "you should know that."

My philosophy: if you've nothing to add, move along.

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[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

Many of us seem to agree. Any ideas how this can be turned aound so that we can get relief from the hostile snappy negative attitude?

We need to get people to understand that there are multiple sides to all situations/questions, and that that is all right. There is no right side/wrong side just differences of opinion.

We shouldn’t denigrate someone for their opinion, just accept that people are different and think differently. Accept a good strong discussion but remember that there are many sides. That’s why there are more than just chocolate and vanilla ice cream!

That’s my hope. I just don’t know if humanity is up to the challenge.


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[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

There is no right side/wrong side just differences of opinion. . . . We shouldn’t denigrate someone for their opinion, just accept that people are different and think differently.

I'm afraid I can't agree with this. It's a utopian "play nice in the sandbox" wish that doesn't hold up in many times and places. There are some actions of individuals and governments---what they do and what they say---that violate basic principles of human decency, democracy, justice, truthfulness, etc. I think we have a responsibility to call out those behaviors. History is full of examples of when people failed to speak up and atrocities occurred, as in the Holocaust. In the Holocaust, in the Cambodian genocide, in so many other atrocities, there absolutely was a right side and a wrong side, not merely a difference of opinion. My personal belief is that we are now in such a time with respect to issues like COVID-19, the climate crisis, and the distribution of wealth. Who are you going to respect and who are you going to choose to be---the person who says nothing when things are clearly wrong, the person who has a loud, aggressive opinion but is unwilling to get the facts before forming it, or the person who states a firm opinion based on a long search for values and facts? I'd like to be in the third camp.

[Major]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

I'm afraid I can't agree with this. It's a utopian "play nice in the sandbox" wish that doesn't hold up in many times and places. There are some actions of individuals and governments---what they do and what they say---that violate basic principles of human decency, democracy, justice, truthfulness, etc. I think we have a responsibility to call out those behaviors. History is full of examples of when people failed to speak up and atrocities occurred, as in the Holocaust. In the Holocaust, in the Cambodian genocide, in so many other atrocities, there absolutely was a right side and a wrong side, not merely a difference of opinion. My personal belief is that we are now in such a time with respect to issues like COVID-19, the climate crisis, and the distribution of wealth. Who are you going to respect and who are you going to choose to be---the person who says nothing when things are clearly wrong, the person who has a loud, aggressive opinion but is unwilling to get the facts before forming it, or the person who states a firm opinion based on a long search for values and facts? I'd like to be in the third camp.

It's well documented that I think the Chinese coronavirus (Wuhan Bat Flu) is a media- and social media-driven crisis, that so-called (manmade) climate change has no basis in fact or science, or that wealth distribution is a liberal theory designed to take money from successful people and give it to less successful people. I'm curious, am I on the right side or wrong side?

I do agree with RBG, I hope you are not comparing comments on this Forum to historic atrocities!

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Major

It's well documented that I think the Chinese coronavirus (Wuhan Bat Flu) is a media- and social media-driven crisis, that so-called (manmade) climate change has no basis in fact or science, or that wealth distribution is a liberal theory designed to take money from successful people and give it to less successful people. I'm curious, am I on the right side or wrong side?

I do agree with RBG, I hope you are not comparing comments on this Forum to historic atrocities!

Definitely the wrong side

But did you need to ask?

In all seriousness, is anyone going to change his or her opinion based on input from a forum like this? I enjoy reading it, like learning about all things Winnipesaukee, and have taken the advice of the strangers who have answered my questions about property maintenance and fishing. I look forward to the day when we can go back to debating what no wake means!

[Major]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Definitely the wrong side

But did you need to ask?

I need to know these things! I didn't realize life was so binary!

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Major

I need to know these things! I didn't realize life was so binary!

Major, I don't know you. You are not an important factor in my life and thus I don't care about your opinions enough to like or dislike you. But I will say this, the impression that I have of you based on your own words here on this forum, is that you are one of the most binary personalities here. No judgement, just an observation.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Puck

Major, I don't know you. You are not an important factor in my life and thus I don't care about your opinions enough to like or dislike you. But I will say this, the impression that I have of you based on your own words here on this forum, is that you are one of the most binary personalities here. No judgement, just an observation.

The difference is that I don't think anyone is WRONG. They have an opinion that is different than mine. That's okay, after all, it's still America, at least for now.

My primary concern with all of this nonsense is how easy as a society we gave up our civil liberties for essentially, let's face it, was a really bad flu season. We tolerate risks of many kinds each and every day of our lives, yet this particular risk was unknown and pounced upon by our media and our social media to create a frenzy. For as many people who got sick and died, we created irreversible harm to millions of millions of Americans who essentially have to press a reset button on their lives when this is over. As data is obtained, we are learning that this virus particularly effected old people and people with preexisting conditions. What we should have done was insulate these people while the rest of us work. However, that decision has been made. We need to now open the economy. I wish our governor had the courage of Georgia's governor.

[Susie Cougar]

Georgia will certainly be a test for the rest of the country.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Major

The difference is that I don't think anyone is WRONG. They have an opinion that is different than mine. That's okay, after all, it's still America, at least for now.

My primary concern with all of this nonsense is how easy as a society we gave up our civil liberties for essentially, let's face it, was a really bad flu season. We tolerate risks of many kinds each and every day of our lives, yet this particular risk was unknown and pounced upon by our media and our social media to create a frenzy. For as many people who got sick and died, we created irreversible harm to millions of millions of Americans who essentially have to press a reset button on their lives when this is over. As data is obtained, we are learning that this virus particularly effected old people and people with preexisting conditions. What we should have done was insulate these people while the rest of us work. However, that decision has been made. We need to now open the economy. I wish our governor had the courage of Georgia's governor.

I went to bed hoping I wouldn't wake up with the Covid-19 flu.

Instead, I woke up after a nightmare—that I'd awakened in Michigan!

[WinterHarborGuy]

I get that people are scared, angry and confused...but a few have lost their damn minds lately.

So we bought a house in Wolfeboro on December 27, 2019. My wife and I are from Westchester county in New York and we work from home. We have been in our new house for about 100 days. I would guess that 90 of those days we have been in New Hampshire, 10 in New York. When the virus thing started we decided to get out of New York, and we have now been here two months.

We love it here and have come here for 30 years. By this time next year, I will be a resident here.

For the moment my car has an orange New York license plate.

But I’m really tired of people seeing my New York license plate and giving me the finger. In fact, this afternoon when I went to the Wolfeboro dump, a guy swerved across the centerline 2x toward my car as he approached me with his pick up truck and flipped me off with both hands. It’s not the first time I’ve been flipped off because of my license plate, but vehicular assault is a new angle.

My wife was followed last week closely by someone and they only left when she turned down our street. Really?

So I guess I’m rambling but forums can lose their character when people who are bold behind their keyboard start to poison things. Same thing for clowns behind the wheel. These kinds of people are cowards and they wouldn’t do these things if they were sitting across from you. Such is our world today.

I hope to be a contributor here. Don’t judge me by a 6x12 inch metal plate on my car.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by WinterHarborGuy

I get that people are scared, angry and confused...but a few have lost their damn minds lately.

So we bought a house in Wolfeboro on December 27, 2019. My wife and I are from Westchester county in New York and we work from home. We have been in our new house for about 100 days. I would guess that 90 of those days we have been in New Hampshire, 10 in New York. When the virus thing started we decided to get out of New York, and we have now been here two months.

We love it here and have come here for 30 years. By this time next year, I will be a resident here.

For the moment my car has an orange New York license plate.

But I’m really tired of people seeing my New York license plate and giving me the finger. In fact, this afternoon when I went to the Wolfeboro dump, a guy swerved across the centerline 2x toward my car as he approached me with his pick up truck and flipped me off with both hands. It’s not the first time I’ve been flipped off because of my license plate, but vehicular assault is a new angle.

My wife was followed last week closely by someone and they only left when she turned down our street. Really?

So I guess I’m rambling but forums can lose their character when people who are bold behind their keyboard start to poison things. Same thing for clowns behind the wheel. These kinds of people are cowards and they wouldn’t do these things if they were sitting across from you. Such is our world today.

I hope to be a contributor here. Don’t judge me by a 6x12 inch metal plate on my car.

WHG, welcome to the forum, and welcome to NH. I'm sorry that you've had these experiences and hope things are otherwise going well for you.

I look forward to what you add to the forum. Cheers

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[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by WinterHarborGuy

I get that people are scared, angry and confused...but a few have lost their damn minds lately.

So we bought a house in Wolfeboro on December 27, 2019. My wife and I are from Westchester county in New York and we work from home. We have been in our new house for about 100 days. I would guess that 90 of those days we have been in New Hampshire, 10 in New York. When the virus thing started we decided to get out of New York, and we have now been here two months.

We love it here and have come here for 30 years. By this time next year, I will be a resident here.

For the moment my car has an orange New York license plate.

But I’m really tired of people seeing my New York license plate and giving me the finger. In fact, this afternoon when I went to the Wolfeboro dump, a guy swerved across the centerline 2x toward my car as he approached me with his pick up truck and flipped me off with both hands. It’s not the first time I’ve been flipped off because of my license plate, but vehicular assault is a new angle.

My wife was followed last week closely by someone and they only left when she turned down our street. Really?

So I guess I’m rambling but forums can lose their character when people who are bold behind their keyboard start to poison things. Same thing for clowns behind the wheel. These kinds of people are cowards and they wouldn’t do these things if they were sitting across from you. Such is our world today.

I hope to be a contributor here. Don’t judge me by a 6x12 inch metal plate on my car.

Welcome, and don't let the bastids get you down!!

[tis]

I don't understand why people are being so nasty. I guess they are afraid. But why couldn't somebody come here from elsewhere and catch it here? I know the incidence is low here but they don't know that you don't come from a low incidence area either. They also don't know that you didn't come with your food and quarantine yourself for two weeks before going out. I am sorry people draw conclusions. If you own a house here, which you do WHG you have every right to come and not be harassed as long as you followed the rules.

[Slickcraft]

Welcome to the Forum WHG

Alan

[WinterHarborGuy]

Originally Posted by tis

I don't understand why people are being so nasty. I guess they are afraid. But why couldn't somebody come here from elsewhere and catch it here? I know the incidence is low here but they don't know that you don't come from a low incidence area either. They also don't know that you didn't come with your food and quarantine yourself for two weeks before going out. I am sorry people draw conclusions. If you own a house here, which you do WHG you have every right to come and not be harassed as long as you followed the rules.

Nice thoughts.

A few things, I get people being concerned about each other‘s behavior or maybe where those people have been. But nastiness is a whole other thing without any evidence.

My wife told me that she read on Facebook that a woman from Massachusetts got her windshield broken and she is only here to be a nurse at Huggins.

As for us, as soon as we got here we made sure we stayed home for 14 days, as that was the guidance at the time. We have been here since March 9 or 10th. But how do you know from looking at someone’s license plate anything about them? Sure, they could’ve just driven in and be a person with a fever. Or maybe they are me.

Or.... the guy with the NH plate could have a wife who is one of the 1500 or so positive NH residents.

But on an amusing note, I have caught myself looking at a few cars that drive by with Massachusetts plates and thinking, “hey, what is that guys story?”

Then I go, “oh yeah, my car...”

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by Major

It's well documented that I think the Chinese coronavirus (Wuhan Bat Flu) is a media- and social media-driven crisis, that so-called (manmade) climate change has no basis in fact or science, or that wealth distribution is a liberal theory designed to take money from successful people and give it to less successful people. I'm curious, am I on the right side or wrong side?

I do agree with RBG, I hope you are not comparing comments on this Forum to historic atrocities!

When did Ruth Bader Ginsburg join the forum?


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[Major]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

When did Ruth Bader Ginsburg join the forum?


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Real Big Guy!


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[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by Major

It's well documented that I think the Chinese coronavirus (Wuhan Bat Flu) is a media- and social media-driven crisis, that so-called (manmade) climate change has no basis in fact or science, or that wealth distribution is a liberal theory designed to take money from successful people and give it to less successful people. I'm curious, am I on the right side or wrong side?

I do agree with RBG, I hope you are not comparing comments on this Forum to historic atrocities!

I'm now 100% convinced that you're a troll and you should be removed from this forum.

[Major]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

I'm now 100% convinced that you're a troll and you should be removed from this forum.

Well, aren’t you special. Thankfully you are not the moderator. I don’t know him but I think Don does a great job ferreting out the trolls.

I am committed to everything I say, and welcome debate on any subject. You want to silence me. That’s okay, I’m used to it. Some liberals, like you, want to silence diversity of thought and opinion.

I don’t know you nor do I want to, but I wonder if you were raised in New Hampshire? I was raised with conservative values, that no one owed you a thing, that you had to be self reliant, that looking for government help was a sign of weakness and should be avoided at all costs. My grandparents were poor, raised in the Great Depression. My dad was a house painter and my mom a hair dresser. My parents were phenomenally hard workers and got ahead in life by working harder than others. These values were passed on to me and my brothers.

At one time, most of America shared the same value system whether Democrats or Republicans. That has changed. Like you, our country has embraced a globalists’ view. We don’t believe in self reliance and American exceptionalism. We want to replace our constitutional system with an all powerful government who dictates what we can and cannot do. We adopt feel good governmental policies like social distancing, climate change and social justice and simultaneously erode our rights under the constitution.

Anyway, I am honored that you want to kick me off the Forum.


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[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Major

Well, aren’t you special. Thankfully you are not the moderator. I don’t know him but I think Don does a great job ferreting out the trolls.

I am committed to everything I say, and welcome debate on any subject. You want to silence me. That’s okay, I’m used to it. Some liberals, like you, want to silence diversity of thought and opinion.

I don’t know you nor do I want to, but I wonder if you were raised in New Hampshire? I was raised with conservative values, that no one owed you a thing, that you had to be self reliant, that looking for government help was a sign of weakness and should be avoided at all costs. My grandparents were poor, raised in the Great Depression. My dad was a house painter and my mom a hair dresser. My parents were phenomenally hard workers and got ahead in life by working harder than others. These values were passed on to me and my brothers.

At one time, most of America shared the same value system whether Democrats or Republicans. That has changed. Like you, our country has embraced a globalists’ view. We don’t believe in self reliance and American exceptionalism. We want to replace our constitutional system with an all powerful government who dictates what we can and cannot do. We adopt feel good governmental policies like social distancing, climate change and social justice and simultaneously erode our rights under the constitution.

Anyway, I am honored that you want to kick me off the Forum.


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As the young'ns say....BOOM!

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Major

Well, aren’t you special. Thankfully you are not the moderator. I don’t know him but I think Don does a great job ferreting out the trolls.

I am committed to everything I say, and welcome debate on any subject. You want to silence me. That’s okay, I’m used to it. Some liberals, like you, want to silence diversity of thought and opinion.

I don’t know you nor do I want to, but I wonder if you were raised in New Hampshire? I was raised with conservative values, that no one owed you a thing, that you had to be self reliant, that looking for government help was a sign of weakness and should be avoided at all costs. My grandparents were poor, raised in the Great Depression. My dad was a house painter and my mom a hair dresser. My parents were phenomenally hard workers and got ahead in life by working harder than others. These values were passed on to me and my brothers.

At one time, most of America shared the same value system whether Democrats or Republicans. That has changed. Like you, our country has embraced a globalists’ view. We don’t believe in self reliance and American exceptionalism. We want to replace our constitutional system with an all powerful government who dictates what we can and cannot do. We adopt feel good governmental policies like social distancing, climate change and social justice and simultaneously erode our rights under the constitution.

Anyway, I am honored that you want to kick me off the Forum.


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Thank you for articulating these mostly noble sentiments, even if we disagree. I must say though that I continue to be perplexed that a person who would write this or "thank" the post would also align himself with Donald Trump. Isn't American Exceptionalism--the idea that we have something unique to offer the world--a globalist view? Isn't MAGA a feel good policy/mantra? Hasn't the President pushed consistently for social distancing over the past month, even criticizing the Georgia Governor you extolled yesterday?

[Glendale Deli Boy]

And another thread down the tubes ...

Ironic given the original message in the thread lamented that everything on the forum ended in negative political debate.

Some frequent posters just can’t help themselves from firebombing any and all threads. Sad.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

I think it's inevitable that the virus crisis leads to bitterness and conflict. This crisis---perhaps any crisis---reveals things that were fundamentally wrong in a society before the crisis. Of course, people don't see those things the same way. For example, not everyone is convinced that all people deserve healthcare, or that it should be affordable (or free). So naturally a health crisis is going to exacerbate that division of social beliefs. Not everyone agrees that all people should have affordable housing. So when there's an economic crisis and people can no longer pay their rent or their mortgage (which were too high before the crisis), there is disagreement about what should be done.

Another fundamental question that shows a deep divide in our country is who we should be concerned about and protect: ourselves, family, strangers we come in contact with, state, nation, continent, or world? Should I have to give up my freedom so someone else is protected? That question caused a vehement argument in this forum.

And of course there's the question of responsibility. If people can't take care of themselves, who should help them? Should my taxes be used to take care of my neighbor, people in other states, people in other countries, small businesses, large corporations? Again, a deep divide.

Politics is not something that stands alone and can be kept separate from the rest of our lives. Politics is a direct reflection of our society, values, and beliefs. Maybe the most important beliefs are about power and wealth---how much power and wealth different kinds of people deserve and what they can't and can't do with it.

In that sense, COVID-19 is a political event, and it's not surprising that people quickly stake out a political position on it. However, your point is still very well taken: we certainly need to come together and help one another and solve this crisis together. (Notice, though, that that statement itself reflects a particular political belief about the unity of society or the world.) My hope is that when it's over, we will be able to look back and see the social causes of the crisis and fix some of the broken things that led to it.

Free healthcare? Rents too high? Social causes? Unity of the world? Wealth that the people deserve? Affordable housing? Things that were fundamentally wrong with our society?

Has Karl Marx joined the forum from the grave?

You may wonder why those of us who have taken an oath to defend this Republic--who've served in uniform--who defend the primacy of citizenship, attack fraud at the ballot box, and view a lawfully-elected President assaulted in multiple waves are now considered the "outliers" among our US population...

And now "banned" for one's views?

All speaks poorly of a generation who've been educated to lose the freedoms guaranteed us in the U.S. Constitution.

[granitebox]

APS - please don't assume you can speak for other who wore the uniform....

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by ApS

All speaks poorly of a generation who've been educated to lose the freedoms guaranteed us in the U.S. Constitution.

Here's the problem: large masses of people in this country do not have the rights and freedoms guaranteed to us in the U.S. Constitution. In fact our history has been marked by very long battles to extend those freedoms to each group of people, and this is far from finished.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Here's the problem: large masses of people in this country do not have the rights and freedoms guaranteed to us in the U.S. Constitution. In fact our history has been marked by very long battles to extend those freedoms to each group of people, and this is far from finished.

Please explain who these “large masses of people” are to whom you refer. I have an idea, but want to hear it from you.

[tis]

Major, one thing you forgot was our parents and grandparents had too much PRIDE to accept handouts.

[Major]

Originally Posted by tis

Major, one thing you forgot was our parents and grandparents had too much PRIDE to accept handouts.

So true!


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[BoatHouse]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Here's the problem: large masses of people in this country do not have the rights and freedoms guaranteed to us in the U.S. Constitution. In fact our history has been marked by very long battles to extend those freedoms to each group of people, and this is far from finished.

Then they should go where they do have rights or back where they came from. Ba-bye


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[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Sounds like this option would be like
"Living in a van down by the river."

It depends on the size and quality of the RV.

Some of those are amazing.

My son sells them, and I was surprised at how much RV you can get for your buck, provided you buy used.