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Old 06-17-2006, 06:53 PM   #1
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In the Gilford/Varney Pt/Glendale Smith Cove area many most people are observing the 600 ft NW. I'd say at least 70 to 80% that go by my house. This afternoon Marine Patrol had 3 boats in the area and they were doing a good job at getting those who weren't doing NW.
Isn't that the area right in front of marina patrol head quarters? I know a lot of people in that cove go NW anyway because theres usually a lot of boats there, and like i said its right in front of marine patrol headquarters.
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Old 06-18-2006, 03:58 PM   #2
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I take it back. When Marine Patrol isn't around compliance does go dramatically down. Still there are a lot of people making an effort. More than I would have thought.
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Old 06-18-2006, 04:38 PM   #3
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I take it back. When Marine Patrol isn't around compliance does go dramatically down. Still there are a lot of people making an effort. More than I would have thought.
Today we saw the most boat traffic so far this season. I'd estimate maybe 5% obeyed the 600' NWZ, and even that might be generous. We only noticed one MP boat, which went by around 10 A.M. this morning, all day.
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Old 06-18-2006, 06:52 PM   #4
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Default Pretty disgusting behavior

In our area, maybe 30% obeyed the NWZ, but the 70% that did not just did not care. It was pretty obvious they knew the rule was in effect. It was posted at the ramps, other boaters were going slow and they were being told one by one as compliant boaters went by. After being clear of boaters that forced them to slow down, the captain boneheads would goose the engine and create a huge wake as they came up to a plane.

There was signficant shoreline damage this weekend. In our beach area, the flood conditions over the past weeks has pushed the shoreline back a foot, but there was a lower step of ground still hanging on. The continuous waves today were eating away at what was left of the step. Up to two foot wake, pounding for hours. The state should learn a lesson from this. The 600 ft NWZ idea didn't work. It has to be all or nothing. Too many idiots can't estimate distance or just don't care. Make it simple. No wake. That said - it sure was a premo day to troll the lake at 6 MPH!
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Old 06-18-2006, 07:17 PM   #5
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On Saturday afternoon I sat in Gilford opposite Governors Island on a friends beach and our topic of conversation was about what we were seeing. We watched firsthand a very small percentage of boaters obeying the 600' rule. I would venture to say they could have been counted on the fingers of one hand of a bad wood shop teacher. And it was easy for us to estimate distance because we know what the distance is out to the black-top spar bouy out in front of the cottage. We even saw an MP way closer than 600' go by on plane and not in pursuit. We watched as wave after wave tried to lift a dock that is now trying to be held down in place by plastic barrels filled with rocks sitting on it. We watched as the water shot almost ten feet in the air as the waves hit their targets. We watched sections of their beach get sucked back into the lake. Yet amazingly, when night starts to fall and there is no boat traffic, the damaging waves cease. All is calm until it starts up again as soon as the boats start speeding around again the next morning. This firsthand observation tells me that the 600' NWS is not working in any way shape or form. Everyone can thank the ignorant/greedy powers that be. It should have been lakewide and enforced. Again, 4th of July (as big of a Holiday as Memorial Day) 1998 was lakewide NWS and everyone survived. And I don't remember anywhere near as much whining as this year. Back then I had a go-fast boat and I accepted the rule with no question.It amazes me as I watch the boats out there, its true....'You can't fix stupid'
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Old 06-18-2006, 07:56 PM   #6
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Default Was there a full Moon this Weekend?

Or, maybe Captain Bonehead held a family reunion? I wasn't seeing most people wait until reaching 150 feet from shore, let alone 600.

And as for nav rules, I was wondering if the MP had declared a temporary moratorium on them. For instance, I was coming back past No.3, running at no wake speed, and four boats came by the other way on plane. I think that one of them might have given me 75 feet of clearance; the rest were well inside that. I figure that one came within 25 feet. As for stand-on vs. give-way boat, well, I just gave up on that and settled for making sure Capt. Bonehead and Co. missed me!

It's not as though there's anything on the lake that could cause me much of any trouble (barring a direct impact ), but it is a bit discouraging to have showing a little common courtesy turn one into a target!

I did see a great deal of MP activity over the weekend, but it seemed to be concentrated around the Eagle Island channel. At one point, I saw four MP boats, all occupied, and they could have used a dozen more!

There was one bright spot, though. I was heading between Governor's Island and the mainland to go under the bridge, and the good captain came up behind me like a bat out of h*ll, and started to pass me as he came off plane. What he didn't see was the small MP boat on the other side of my boat! As the MP made the "pinch", people on the shore line, and then the other boats in the area, started clapping and cheering. The good captain's face turned an amazing shade of purple!

Anyway, let's hope that things turn a little less crazy next weekend!

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I think a lot of people saw the weirs beach lake level sign was reading full lake, so people were not doing the no wake because that isn't all that high, also 600ft is somewhat hard to judge.

I stop going head way speed in Paugus Bay when the 41ft MP boat was going full speed setting a HUGE wake maybe 200 ft from Big Island (1 of the island in PB.) He wasn't going after anyone he no lights or siren, i am thinking that the "NWZ" will be gone some time this week
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Old 06-19-2006, 08:12 AM   #8
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I'd just like to extend my personal thanks to all the inconsiderate boneheads in the cruisers that gave me all the gifts of their 4'+ wakes all weekend. When I think of a way to return the favor, believe me, I will.

Now that the carnival is over and the tourists are all gone it's time to drop the hammer on these bureaucrats in Concord that are responsible for their lack of attention to these issues. DES has a mission to protect the shoreline around the lake. One weekend's worth of Captain Carver's wakes have done years worth of shoreline erosion. The ironic part of all this is that if one wanted to now repair the damage done over this one weekend, it would take an act of Congress to get the permit.

Time to start writing letters to the Governor and head of DES, Dept. of Safety, and State Reps and Senators.
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I'd just like to extend my personal thanks to all the inconsiderate boneheads in the cruisers that gave me all the gifts of their 4'+ wakes all weekend. When I think of a way to return the favor, believe me, I will.

Now that the carnival is over and the tourists are all gone it's time to drop the hammer on these bureaucrats in Concord that are responsible for their lack of attention to these issues. DES has a mission to protect the shoreline around the lake. One weekend's worth of Captain Carver's wakes have done years worth of shoreline erosion. The ironic part of all this is that if one wanted to now repair the damage done over this one weekend, it would take an act of Congress to get the permit.

Time to start writing letters to the Governor and head of DES, Dept. of Safety, and State Reps and Senators.
Worst thing is had the NWZ been lifted there probably would have been less damage to the shore. People have no idea that no wake means no wake, I live in a no wake zone and see people putting up 1-2 fooot wakes because they are "going slow" like they are suppossed to and the bigger the boat the worse it is.
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I'd just like to extend my personal thanks to all the inconsiderate boneheads in the cruisers that gave me all the gifts of their 4'+ wakes all weekend. When I think of a way to return the favor, believe me, I will.

Now that the carnival is over and the tourists are all gone it's time to drop the hammer on these bureaucrats in Concord that are responsible for their lack of attention to these issues. DES has a mission to protect the shoreline around the lake. One weekend's worth of Captain Carver's wakes have done years worth of shoreline erosion. The ironic part of all this is that if one wanted to now repair the damage done over this one weekend, it would take an act of Congress to get the permit.

Time to start writing letters to the Governor and head of DES, Dept. of Safety, and State Reps and Senators.
Seaplane Pilot do you have email or snail mail addresses of any of the above mentioned that you could post?? Maybe if the info were readily available here many would take the oppportunity to write. Thanks in advance if you do!
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To what purpose would you write? Isn't this pretty much over? The last report I saw, the Governor was enjoying a 74% approval rating. It seems like he made a lot of popular choices during this wet spring.

On May 25, when the 600' rule was announced the lake was near peak at around 505.40 and now it's around 504.60, that's 10" lower. It's only about 4" above normal and falling like a rock.
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To what purpose would you write? Isn't this pretty much over? The last report I saw, the Governor was enjoying a 74% approval rating. It seems like he made a lot of popular choices during this wet spring.

On May 25, when the 600' rule was announced the lake was near peak at around 505.40 and now it's around 504.60, that's 10" lower. It's only about 4" above normal and falling like a rock.
Because doing nothing is not my style. KonaChick: I'll try to find the addresses and post them here.
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Seaplane Pilot do you have email or snail mail addresses of any of the above mentioned that you could post?? Maybe if the info were readily available here many would take the oppportunity to write. Thanks in advance if you do!
A lot of them can be found on this website: http://www.nh.gov

Office of the Governor
State House
25 Capitol Street
Concord, NH 03301

(603)271-2121
(603)271-7680 (fax) E-mail via link on website: http://www.nh.gov/governor/contactus.htm

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Commissioner Richard M. Flynn
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33 Hazen Drive
Concord, NH 03305
Commissioners Office: 603-271-2791


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David T. Barrett, Director
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Gilford, NH 03249
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603-293-0096 (fax)

Wetlands Bureau
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Wetlands Bureau

The mission of the Wetlands Bureau is to protect, maintain and enhance the environmental quality in New Hampshire through the powers set forth in RSA 482-A to regulate impacts to those areas "wherever the tide ebbs and flows" or "freshwater flows or stands."

Time to refresh your memories with your own mission statement DES!
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Seaplane Pilot, Thanks for posting the addresses....and I plan to write and complain......

But we all have to remember one thing....We can complain all we want but in the end the guys with the power are going to do what ever they want....and in that case of politics it is going to be whatever the biggest contributor to there campaign wants..........

And lets face it this was all politcal........
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Default Weirs Bridge says we're at full lake

Going under the bridge yesterday, the gauge reflected exactly full lake. The water line was right at the red mark. We wondered why the 600 ft rule was still in effect.
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Going under the bridge yesterday, the gauge reflected exactly full lake. The water line was right at the red mark. We wondered why the 600 ft rule was still in effect.

You may have passed it at low tide. The lake has a 3" tide as measured in Alton Bay, if memory serves.

I wondered why the 600' NWZ was still in effect for the +4" most folks agree the lake level was this weekend too. Seems kinda silly for 4". I saw no sumberged docks and find it hard to believe 4" of extra water is going to make a whole lot of difference on the wake a typical Carver produces at optimum plowing speed.
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Going under the bridge yesterday, the gauge reflected exactly full lake. The water line was right at the red mark. We wondered why the 600 ft rule was still in effect.
I don't think that sign is very accurate, especially when there's a big current in there. According to this site, there's still a few inches to go to reach full lake.

http://www.des.state.nh.us/rti_data/wein3_TABLE.HTML

BTW if you look at the table on that site, last night (6/18) at 3AM the lake dropped a full inch in one hour. That seems a little weird.
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I don't think that sign is very accurate, especially when there's a big current in there. According to this site, there's still a few inches to go to reach full lake.

http://www.des.state.nh.us/rti_data/wein3_TABLE.HTML

BTW if you look at the table on that site, last night (6/18) at 3AM the lake dropped a full inch in one hour. That seems a little weird.
Check your link, it did not drop an inch in that hour, it did not change at all. I think you were looking at the air temp.
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Oops, I meant 6/19

From the chart:


06/19/2006 03:00 67.8 504.60 0.00
06/19/2006 02:00 67.9 504.68 0.00

504.68-504.60 = .08 which is about an inch
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Going under the bridge yesterday, the gauge reflected exactly full lake. The water line was right at the red mark. We wondered why the 600 ft rule was still in effect.
The lake is still a bit higher than normal for this time of year though not excessively so. Look at the graph below and I'd say another 1.5" of drop would put the lake into the "normal" range.

http://www.des.state.nh.us/Dam/graph/graph2006.htm
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I think that the 600' NWZ will be lifted by Thursday or Friday at the latest. There wasn't much observence of the rule this past weekend. Most schools finish up this week and vacations will be starting and the level should be close to full lake. So, I would expect the state to lift the ban well before the weekend.
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i agree, the lake is now almost "normal" and people weren't doing it anyway.
if not this weekend def. by the 4th
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I think I heard on the radio this morning that it was lifted as of today. I'm not 100% sure, so use this info at your own risk.
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Exclamation Stil in effect according to MPHQ

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I think I heard on the radio this morning that it was lifted as of today. I'm not 100% sure, so use this info at your own risk.
According to the dispatcher on duty at MP Headquarters, the no-wake requirement was still in effect as of 10:00 this morning.

Verification can always be made during regular business hours by calling Headquarters at (603) 293-2037.

Perhaps they do plan to lift it today or sometime soon, however that information obviously has not made it to Headquarters as of yet.

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This was from a news room.
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This was on WMUR

http://www.wmur.com/news/9403996/detail.html

Looks like it was lifted.
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Just got this off the Concord Monitor...

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Jun 21, 9:21 AM EDT

State drops emergency boat speeds order

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) -- The state has dropped emergency boat speed limits put in place on four lakes after last month's flooding raised water levels.

The Department of Safety says effective immediately, the 600-foot headway speed limit rule no longer applies on Silver Lake in the towns of Tilton and Belmont, Lake Winnipesaukee, Lake Winnisquam, and Lake Opechee.

The order was enacted because high water covered many docks, wharves, stumps and rocks on the shoreline, making them boating hazards.

The state says the usual 150-foot no wake rule near shorelines now applies.

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......now hopefully someone will inform MP Headquarters in Gilford so they give out the correct information!
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......now hopefully someone will inform MP Headquarters in Gilford so they give out the correct information!
And while they're at it, post the info on the "official site" where they still have the emergency NWZ declaration.
http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/s...rol/index.html

FWIW I note that we're now "in the blue" on this chart
http://www.des.state.nh.us/Dam/graph/graph2006.htm
so it's not surprising it's been lifted.
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The articles say its over but the MP web page is still not reflecting the news.......
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