Bike Week

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Major

Like it or not, liberals want to close everything down indefinitely and conservatives want to open things up immediately with no impediments. .

Simply not true--liberal Massachusetts, liberal New York, and Republican New Hampshire are opening in thoughtful measured ways. We might compare these states to Florida, which has an approach more to your liking.

It's the thoughtful part that you've been opposed to, with every concession to the virus wrong, and every disregard for the danger right.

[Major]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Simply not true--liberal Massachusetts, liberal New York, and Republican New Hampshire are opening in thoughtful measured ways. We might compare these states to Florida, which has an approach more to your liking.

It's the thoughtful part that you've been opposed to, with every concession to the virus wrong, and every disregard for the danger right.

Have you talked to small business owners and restaurant owners in Mass? I have. It is not going well, which is an understatement. They would appreciate as you say it a less thoughtful approach. If it's not political, then why are democrats universally against full throttle openings and conservatives in support of such openings? If it's not political, then why is it heresy to democrats if Michigan small business owners protest or if Trump has a rally in Oklahoma, while it is A-Okay to democrats for rioters, looters, unwelcome occupiers and destroyers to gather to do their rioting, looting, occupying and destroying? Have you seen MSNBC or CNN's coverage? Praising rioters, looters, occupiers and destroyers while vilifying small business owners and patriots. You have to admit there is a strong political component to this issue.

[Major]

After thinking about it, there may be a good chance that Bike Week will happen. Here is my guess as to the Councilors' vote on the issue:

Bruce Cheney, Ward 1, probably yes.
David Bownes, Ward 2, probably no.
Henry D. Lipman, Ward 3, probably no.
Mark Haynes, Ward 4, probably yes.
Robert Hamel, Ward 5, probably yes.
Tony Felch, Ward 6, probably no.

In the case of a tie, Andrew Hosmer breaks the tie.

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by Major

After thinking about it, there may be a good chance that Bike Week will happen. Here is my guess as to the Councilors' vote on the issue:

Bruce Cheney, Ward 1, probably yes.
David Bownes, Ward 2, probably no.
Henry D. Lipman, Ward 3, probably no.
Mark Haynes, Ward 4, probably yes.
Robert Hamel, Ward 5, probably yes.
Tony Felch, Ward 6, probably no.

In the case of a tie, Charlie St. Claire breaks the tie, and my guess is that he would vote yes.

You should have heard the Bike Week discussion at the end of last nights meeting. Hamel was the person who prompted the discussion, Cheney agreed with his concerns as did the other councilors. St. Clair has no say.... Hosmer would get the tiebreaker.

I would not bet either way on this.... it will depend on what is going on 3 weeks from now.

they are on Youtube... 2:48 is when Hamel starts his speech. There are also other discussion throughout the meeting. You might need a copy of the agenda to find them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdRjZZ9i9Jc

Woodsy

[Major]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

You should have heard the Bike Week discussion at the end of last nights meeting. Hamel was the person who prompted the discussion, Cheney agreed with his concerns as did the other councilors. St. Clair has no say.... Hosmer would get the tiebreaker.

I would not bet either way on this.... it will depend on what is going on 3 weeks from now.

they are on Youtube... 2:48 is when Hamel starts his speech. There are also other discussion throughout the meeting. You might need a copy of the agenda to find them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdRjZZ9i9Jc

Woodsy

Thanks Woodsy! I meant Hosmer would break the tie (I had St. Claire on my brain!)

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Major

Have you talked to small business owners and restaurant owners in Mass? I have. It is not going well, which is an understatement. They would appreciate as you say it a less thoughtful approach. If it's not political, then why are democrats universally against full throttle openings and conservatives in support of such openings? If it's not political, then why is it heresy to democrats if Michigan small business owners protest or if Trump has a rally in Oklahoma, while it is A-Okay to democrats for rioters, looters, unwelcome occupiers and destroyers to gather to do their rioting, looting, occupying and destroying? Have you seen MSNBC or CNN's coverage? Praising rioters, looters, occupiers and destroyers while vilifying small business owners and patriots. You have to admit there is a strong political component to this issue.

I know it's tough for business--as I've posted before, I have suffered large losses in a small business where I am a shareholder.

Democrats are against "full throttle" openings for the reason I have already stated--full throttle is not thoughtful (or safe).

The President made it political by ignoring his own scientific advisors, and then slinging all sorts of BS about 8 cases on the way to zero, vaccines in July, cures with no data that area actually dangerous, etc.

The Democrats' position has been that we need to heed the scientific advisors. It's really sad when you equate following science as a political thing to do.

I don't watch MSNBC or CNN, and I would not attend a political rally in this environment. The only prominent politician I have seen at a rally is Donald Trump. Ironically, his own team brought 8 infected people to that rally--providing a pretty good illustration of why the rally was a terrible thing to do.

[Major]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I know it's tough for business--as I've posted before, I have suffered large losses in a small business where I am a shareholder.

Democrats are against "full throttle" openings for the reason I have already stated--full throttle is not thoughtful (or safe).

The President made it political by ignoring his own scientific advisors, and then slinging all sorts of BS about 8 cases on the way to zero, vaccines in July, cures with no data that area actually dangerous, etc.

The Democrats' position has been that we need to heed the scientific advisors. It's really sad when you equate following science as a political thing to do.

I don't watch MSNBC or CNN, and I would not attend a political rally in this environment. The only prominent politician I have seen at a rally is Donald Trump. Ironically, his own team brought 8 infected people to that rally--providing a pretty good illustration of why the rally was a terrible thing to do.

I completely disagree. The Democrats have made it political by enforcing these draconian rules against small business owners and low income employees yet not enforcing the rules against rioters, looters, occupiers and destroyers. I haven't heard ONE Democrat condemn these actions. I haven't heard ONE Democrat condemn the occupation of Chopistan. Generally speaking in life, words have very little meaning. It is actions that speak the loudest. And we have found from our Democrat leaders of the U.S. House, state governments, city mayors who are allowing the anarchists free reign with little or nothing said about the sure death sentence Chinese coronavirus, which by the way, what little evidence we do have suggests that it is far less deadlier than originally predicted. Who would have guessed!

If it is acceptable to have rioters, looters, occupiers and destroyers give the finger to social distancing, wearing masks, and everything else associated with this Chinese coronavirus nonsense, then I think we can figure out a way to open all businesses ASAP and put America back to work.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Major

I completely disagree. The Democrats have made it political by enforcing these draconian rules against small business owners and low income employees yet not enforcing the rules against rioters, looters, occupiers and destroyers. I haven't heard ONE Democrat condemn these actions. I haven't heard ONE Democrat condemn the occupation of Chopistan. Generally speaking in life, words have very little meaning. It is actions that speak the loudest. And we have found from our Democrat leaders of the U.S. House, state governments, city mayors who are allowing the anarchists free reign with little or nothing said about the sure death sentence Chinese coronavirus, which by the way, what little evidence we do have suggests that it is far less deadlier than originally predicted. Who would have guessed!

If it is acceptable to have rioters, looters, occupiers and destroyers give the finger to social distancing, wearing masks, and everything else associated with this Chinese coronavirus nonsense, then I think we can figure out a way to open all businesses ASAP and put America back to work.

You're kind of making it up and tossing in the kitchen sink. The protests/riots are a couple of weeks old and a separate crisis. Let's stay on your original topic--Trump made Covid political months ago.

[Major]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

You're kind of making it up and tossing in the kitchen sink. The protests/riots are a couple of weeks old and a separate crisis. Let's stay on your original topic--Trump made Covid political months ago.

I do not agree that Trump was the first to politicize it, but my point is that the riots show that there isn't any real meat to the so called Chinese coronavirus crisis. Our political leaders were not too concerned about the virus spreading, only when conservatives get together to peacefully protest and assemble. Anyway, to the point at hand, given the liberal nature of the City Council, and reporting by Woodsy, my guess is that Bike Week is done. That's too bad since the local businesses could really need a boost.