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[LoveLakeLife]

(1). It might have been a painful four years for you for reasons I won’t pretend to understand, but it’s been a glorious four years for me and hundreds of millions of others. My spirits are lifted daily also, but at the prospect of four more years.

You revert to the emotional canard about “caring”. If someone disagrees with you, you’re the one who “cares”. I suppose the rest of us will just not reach your level of virtuous self-regard.

(2). There is no numeric scale or spectrum of freedom. It’s not “Live free or die, more or less, or die.” People who don’t wear masks are refusing to do so, they’re declining to do so.

(3). Laws don’t prevent careless behavior. They criminalize it. Your analogies are apt, and made my point. If you want to live in the metaphorical bubble wrap, then avoid your neighbors windows and don’t drive or walk in the street. Most people accept the risks of life.

(4). Obviously is an overused adverb. What appears obvious to you might not be obvious to others, as is the case here. A virus is not a weapon, it’s a microbe. There is no intent behind people getting infected.

(5). I’m sure that you’re proud for caring. Countries with socialized medicine don’t provide health care. The taxpayers do. There is no Constitutional right to health care or health insurance. In this country, we cherish self-sufficiency and private charity, not government redistribution. There is no such thing as a global community. That term is an oxymoron. Countries can help each other of course, but the national interest is and must always be primary.

(7). I’ll choose not to believe you. The U.S. remains the beacon of freedom it has been for centuries for myriad and indelible reasons. Social justice is another made-up, meaningless term that makes people feel better about their perceived virtue.

You should cheer up and stay proud of your country. We live in the best of times. Enjoy the freedom we have to debate and fight for that freedom. I can tell you’re not in the sunset of people who cower at conflict, who feel “uncomfortable” with disagreement and retreat to “safe spaces” when their sensitivities are triggered.

Thanks for being civil and engaging.




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[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by LoveLakeLife

The national interest is and must always be primary.

Just one question that I'm genuinely curious about. I assume you feel an allegiance to your family? Perhaps your town? Your state? And clearly your country. What about your continent---do you feel allegiance to North America? What about the Western Hemisphere? If Martians attacked the Earth, would you join the Earth Allegiance Forces and fight back? What if Alpha Centauri tried to take over the Solar System? Would you feel allegiance to the Solar System?

My question is, how have you determined where to draw the line for your allegiance? How did you decide that your allegiance extends from your family to your nation, and no further than that?

„Wenn man eine große Lüge erzählt und sie oft genug wiederholt, dann werden die Leute sie am Ende glauben.“ — Adolf Hitler

P.S. "Global community" in quotation marks has 123,000,000 Google results.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by LoveLakeLife

(1). It might have been a painful four years for you for reasons I won’t pretend to understand, but it’s been a glorious four years for me and hundreds of millions of others.

Just one more question. These hundreds of millions of happy people of whom you speak. The population of the US is 328 million. About how many of those do you figure have had a glorious four years?

Some people you should probably take out of your calculation:

--Immigrants: 45 million
--Nonwhites: 79 million
--People infected with COVID-19: 4.75 million
--People who died of COVID-19: 157,000
--People living below the poverty line: 40 million
--People who did not vote for Trump in 2016: 66 million
--People without health insurance: 27 million
--People who lost their jobs during the pandemic: 30 million

Let's see . . . doing some quick math . . . that makes about 292 million people who haven't had a glorious four years, which leaves . . . hold on . . . 36 million people who HAVE had a glorious four years.

Maybe you're referring to hundreds of millions of people in other countries?

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Just one more question. These hundreds of millions of happy people of whom you speak. The population of the US is 328 million. About how many of those do you figure have had a glorious four years?

Let's see . . . doing some quick math . . . that makes about 292 million people who haven't had a glorious four years, which leaves . . . hold on . . . 36 million people who HAVE had a glorious four years.

Maybe you're referring to hundreds of millions of people in other countries?

Of course you realize that your calculations are ridiculous! Most of the people you cite fall into the several categories so you are double, triple or more, counting the same people. (Sort of like the way they count Democrat's votes)

I am happy with the current efforts to support and improve the military, reduce the illegal influx, support police and the rule of law, reduce regulations on business, improve the economy, increase employment for all, and support the Constitution.

I look forward to another GLORIOUS 4 years!

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Just one more question. These hundreds of millions of happy people of whom you speak. The population of the US is 328 million. About how many of those do you figure have had a glorious four years?

Some people you should probably take out of your calculation:

--Immigrants: 45 million
--Nonwhites: 79 million
--People infected with COVID-19: 4.75 million
--People who died of COVID-19: 157,000
--People living below the poverty line: 40 million
--People who did not vote for Trump in 2016: 66 million
--People without health insurance: 27 million
--People who lost their jobs during the pandemic: 30 million

Let's see . . . doing some quick math . . . that makes about 292 million people who haven't had a glorious four years, which leaves . . . hold on . . . 36 million people who HAVE had a glorious four years.

Maybe you're referring to hundreds of millions of people in other countries?

WOW, never seen math done like that before,,,

You have a wonderful potential career in politics (either party)

And sorry there is no way, NO WAY to point the finger of blame at one party or president for the current state of the country or the world. It is a much more complex set of conditions that got is to where we are.

If all were as simple as you would have us believe, then the 8 years under the last president should have fixed everything, and yet overall it only worsened, and significantly under his watch.

So any expectations about what the next election will do for us is highly debatable.

Clearly there are some very different visions of what a best America was, is or should be.