Whip Rope

CaptT820 · 08-12-2020, 08:16 AM

We have been using whips now on our dock for about 5 years, but in the last few years we've noticed that we only get a season or so out of our whip ropes. Part of this is due to being in a busy area, but it seems like they should last longer than this. We are using them properly and don't have any snag points in the rope movement. I think it is just the amount of cycling that the rope is going through that is creating the chafing. Looking for recommendations on what others are using for abrasion resistant rope for whips. Thanks.

FlyingScot · 08-12-2020, 08:48 AM

An interesting puzzle. I have 5 seasons on mine, and they look basically new, although I'm only holding a day sailer. Where is the rope worn?

ishoot308 · 08-12-2020, 09:29 AM

Go see Bart at Parafunalia in Gilford. He will set you up with the right rope. My whip rope from there is 6 years old and still looks new. It takes a lot of abuse on the west side of Welch too...

Dan

camp guy · 08-12-2020, 09:43 AM

If you have enough line, try changing the length of the line so that it rolls over the tip in a different spot. This might help. Also, Dan said, using the correct type of line is important.

CaptT820 · 08-13-2020, 08:44 AM

The rope is worn, where it rides over the top of the whip. I checked that area for burrs or wear points, and there doesnt appear to be any. Is the stainless dowel at the top of the whip supposed to rotate or be fixed? Mine is fixed, but I think mechanically there would be less friction if it was a roller style mechanism.

FlyingScot · 08-13-2020, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptT820

The rope is worn, where it rides over the top of the whip. I checked that area for burrs or wear points, and there doesnt appear to be any. Is the stainless dowel at the top of the whip supposed to rotate or be fixed? Mine is fixed, but I think mechanically there would be less friction if it was a roller style mechanism.

Agreed on the friction--I think the fixed axis is your problem, not the rope itself. Mine is 1 or 2" plastic wheel that spins around an axis. Looking forward to hearing if others with long-lived rope have fixed dowels or spinning wheels.

rick35 · 08-13-2020, 09:27 AM

Changing my whip rope is on my to-do list. Mine wears at the pivot point too and you can hear it creak all the time from the friction. I've checked out Overtons and West Marine for new tips and they're not available. I found some double braid rope made in the USA by Blue Ox on amazon that will work and didn't cost a lot. Rope can be very expensive and where my whips aren't used all the time I was ok with paying a little less.

AC2717 · 08-13-2020, 09:29 AM

I have a wheel as well, and the rope is about 7 years old maybe older. (actually like a clothes line rope type.

The ones with the steel bar don't always have the bar that spins, but I would try soaking it with PB baster or something like that to see if it should be spinning if not, I would take some old garden hose and slide it on the rope and set it at the top so it bends with the rope around the bar instead of the rope right on the bar

SAB1 · 08-13-2020, 04:18 PM

My whips are from 2001. No roller. Just a hole through the end of the whip the rope goes thru with a knot on the back side. I'm still on the original rope. Boat weighs 3,800lbs

rick35 · 08-13-2020, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SAB1

My whips are from 2001. No roller. Just a hole through the end of the whip the rope goes thru with a knot on the back side. I'm still on the original rope. Boat weighs 3,800lbs

And does it have a tensioner at the end to tighten it up? I've been looking for a tip and tensioner with no luck.

SAB1 · 08-13-2020, 08:43 PM

Yes it does have a tensioner. My buddy has the same whips and his are still going fine as well. Couple years after we bought ours theY changed to the roller tip and that’s wen problems started.

upthesaukee · 08-14-2020, 07:46 AM

The last year that I had my boat (2019), I reversed the whip lines so that the end that secured the line to the whip mount was now the tensioner end. I noticed that the line wasn't worn per se, it just looked a little different in the area where it passed over the roller.

Dave

LIforrelaxin · 08-14-2020, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SAB1

My whips are from 2001. No roller. Just a hole through the end of the whip the rope goes thru with a knot on the back side. I'm still on the original rope. Boat weighs 3,800lbs

I have to admit to seeing the same thing. My whips are roughly the same age, and the original rope shows no issues. Honestly, I am surprised I would have expected to have replaced the rope at this point, but still see no reason too....

As others have posted the whips with the rollers at the end seem to be more problematic, especially with heavier boats. I have a set of those too, but only ever really used them for a jet-ski, and never noticed much wear.... but that was a jet ski, vs. a much heavier boat.

Now the other thing that can cause premature wear, is not having the boat tied properly and allowing to much movement forward and backward.... those wheels work great in one direction, yawing action is not good, and in a busy area could be part of the problem.

upthesaukee · 08-14-2020, 10:11 AM

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Where I was docking my boat, the wave problem wasn't wind caused wave action, but rather from boat wakes. Most came from a direction essentially from the port aft to the starboard bow, an angle.

Besides dock lines and whip lines fore and aft, I also used a spring line that ran from an aft dock cleat to the boat mid-cleat then on to a bow dock cleat. It did a great job of keeping the boat aligned with the whips , virtually eliminating back and forth motion.

Dave

rick35 · 08-14-2020, 12:47 PM

I found a couple of inch and a half 420 lb pulleys at Heath's and mounted them to the tips of my whips. The pivot point was just a small hex bolt with a nylon lock nut that I used to attach the pulley eye. I strung the new whip line through the pulley and now I don't expect to hear any squeaking or see any wear. I should have done that years ago.

camp guy · 08-14-2020, 06:23 PM

No matter what you do, there definitely ought to be a roller at the tip of the whip, otherwise there will be constant friction and the rope will very quickly by unfit for use. If you can not put a roller at the end of the whip, try the swivel pulley solution. Attach the swivel pulley to the top of the whip and lead the line through the pulley back to the fastening point at the base of the whip. Using a swivel pulley gives you the added advantage of reducing any "side to side" chaffing (because it will swivel), while having constant frictionless motion at the tip.

Pricestavern · 08-14-2020, 07:42 PM

We had the same issue our first year with whips on the Broads. We placed high-quality pulleys, sailing blocks, to reduce the wear on the rope and the angle in which the rope bends. Worked like a charm. PS - spend the money on stainless steel.

ApS · 08-15-2020, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by camp guy

If you have enough line, try changing the length of the line so that it rolls over the tip in a different spot. This might help.
Also, Dan said, using the correct type of line is important.

Rope in the Amsteel or Dyneema range could break your whips, while polypropylene won't last a season.

rick35 · 08-15-2020, 10:59 AM

The rope I used was 5/16 double braid polyester for $37 for 100ft from amazon. It frayed pretty bad when cut and needed some trimming and a flame to melt the ends.

CooperS7777 · 08-19-2020, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rick35

The rope I used was 5/16 double braid polyester for $37 for 100ft from amazon. It frayed pretty bad when cut and needed some trimming and a flame to melt the ends.

Make a few tight wraps of electrical tape in the same direction as the lay of the line around the spot where you'll make the cut. Use a fresh razor blade and cut in the middle of the electrical tape and then use a butane torch to seal the ends of the line back up. You can leave the electrical tape or peel it off after, but this method should yield factory like results if you don't have access to a proper hot knife.

CaptT820 · 09-01-2020, 07:11 AM

Thank you for all the great suggestions and all the ideas that people are currently using. I think we will try to keep the forward-backward motion of the boat to a minimum with some sort of spring line, as well as making sure that the tip of the whip has a roller/swivel type combination. Our whips have a fixed stainless bar that the rope rides over and this no doubt is causing the friction problem. Time to modify it.

08-12-2020, 08:16 AM	#1
CaptT820 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 122 Thanks: 86 Thanked 46 Times in 27 Posts	Whip Rope We have been using whips now on our dock for about 5 years, but in the last few years we've noticed that we only get a season or so out of our whip ropes. Part of this is due to being in a busy area, but it seems like they should last longer than this. We are using them properly and don't have any snag points in the rope movement. I think it is just the amount of cycling that the rope is going through that is creating the chafing. Looking for recommendations on what others are using for abrasion resistant rope for whips. Thanks.

08-12-2020, 09:29 AM	#3
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 6,232 Thanks: 2,384 Thanked 5,277 Times in 2,051 Posts	Go see Bart at Parafunalia in Gilford. He will set you up with the right rope. My whip rope from there is 6 years old and still looks new. It takes a lot of abuse on the west side of Welch too... Dan __________________ It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!

08-12-2020, 09:43 AM	#4
camp guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: formerly Winter Harbor, still Wolfeboro Posts: 1,181 Thanks: 299 Thanked 525 Times in 293 Posts	Whip ropes If you have enough line, try changing the length of the line so that it rolls over the tip in a different spot. This might help. Also, Dan said, using the correct type of line is important.

08-13-2020, 08:44 AM	#5
CaptT820 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 122 Thanks: 86 Thanked 46 Times in 27 Posts	Worn The rope is worn, where it rides over the top of the whip. I checked that area for burrs or wear points, and there doesnt appear to be any. Is the stainless dowel at the top of the whip supposed to rotate or be fixed? Mine is fixed, but I think mechanically there would be less friction if it was a roller style mechanism.

08-13-2020, 09:29 AM	#8
AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,573 Thanks: 753 Thanked 354 Times in 266 Posts	I have a wheel as well, and the rope is about 7 years old maybe older. (actually like a clothes line rope type. The ones with the steel bar don't always have the bar that spins, but I would try soaking it with PB baster or something like that to see if it should be spinning if not, I would take some old garden hose and slide it on the rope and set it at the top so it bends with the rope around the bar instead of the rope right on the bar __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"

08-12-2020, 08:48 AM	#2
FlyingScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA Posts: 2,370 Thanks: 1,271 Thanked 1,016 Times in 626 Posts	An interesting puzzle. I have 5 seasons on mine, and they look basically new, although I'm only holding a day sailer. Where is the rope worn?

08-13-2020, 09:27 AM	#7
rick35 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bear Island/Merrimack Posts: 807 Thanks: 58 Thanked 203 Times in 130 Posts	Changing my whip rope is on my to-do list. Mine wears at the pivot point too and you can hear it creak all the time from the friction. I've checked out Overtons and West Marine for new tips and they're not available. I found some double braid rope made in the USA by Blue Ox on amazon that will work and didn't cost a lot. Rope can be very expensive and where my whips aren't used all the time I was ok with paying a little less.

08-13-2020, 04:18 PM	#9
SAB1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Tuftonboro Posts: 1,230 Thanks: 188 Thanked 319 Times in 234 Posts	My whips are from 2001. No roller. Just a hole through the end of the whip the rope goes thru with a knot on the back side. I'm still on the original rope. Boat weighs 3,800lbs

08-13-2020, 08:43 PM	#11
SAB1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Tuftonboro Posts: 1,230 Thanks: 188 Thanked 319 Times in 234 Posts	Yes it does have a tensioner. My buddy has the same whips and his are still going fine as well. Couple years after we bought ours theY changed to the roller tip and that’s wen problems started.

08-14-2020, 07:46 AM	#12
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,596 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,453 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	Reversed lines. The last year that I had my boat (2019), I reversed the whip lines so that the end that secured the line to the whip mount was now the tensioner end. I noticed that the line wasn't worn per se, it just looked a little different in the area where it passed over the roller. Dave __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!! Last edited by upthesaukee; 08-14-2020 at 09:53 AM. Reason: Correct autocorrect

08-14-2020, 12:47 PM	#15
rick35 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bear Island/Merrimack Posts: 807 Thanks: 58 Thanked 203 Times in 130 Posts	I found a couple of inch and a half 420 lb pulleys at Heath's and mounted them to the tips of my whips. The pivot point was just a small hex bolt with a nylon lock nut that I used to attach the pulley eye. I strung the new whip line through the pulley and now I don't expect to hear any squeaking or see any wear. I should have done that years ago.

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08-14-2020, 06:23 PM	#16
camp guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: formerly Winter Harbor, still Wolfeboro Posts: 1,181 Thanks: 299 Thanked 525 Times in 293 Posts	Whip ropes No matter what you do, there definitely ought to be a roller at the tip of the whip, otherwise there will be constant friction and the rope will very quickly by unfit for use. If you can not put a roller at the end of the whip, try the swivel pulley solution. Attach the swivel pulley to the top of the whip and lead the line through the pulley back to the fastening point at the base of the whip. Using a swivel pulley gives you the added advantage of reducing any "side to side" chaffing (because it will swivel), while having constant frictionless motion at the tip.

08-14-2020, 07:42 PM	#17
Pricestavern Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Valencia, Spain (formerly Rattlesnake Isle) Posts: 389 Thanks: 135 Thanked 142 Times in 82 Posts	Sailing Block We had the same issue our first year with whips on the Broads. We placed high-quality pulleys, sailing blocks, to reduce the wear on the rope and the angle in which the rope bends. Worked like a charm. PS - spend the money on stainless steel.

08-15-2020, 10:59 AM	#19
rick35 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bear Island/Merrimack Posts: 807 Thanks: 58 Thanked 203 Times in 130 Posts	The rope I used was 5/16 double braid polyester for $37 for 100ft from amazon. It frayed pretty bad when cut and needed some trimming and a flame to melt the ends.

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09-01-2020, 07:11 AM	#21
CaptT820 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 122 Thanks: 86 Thanked 46 Times in 27 Posts	Update Thank you for all the great suggestions and all the ideas that people are currently using. I think we will try to keep the forward-backward motion of the boat to a minimum with some sort of spring line, as well as making sure that the tip of the whip has a roller/swivel type combination. Our whips have a fixed stainless bar that the rope rides over and this no doubt is causing the friction problem. Time to modify it.