Anchor recommendation

XCR-700 · 08-26-2020, 07:58 PM

Closing the loop on this one, dug out several old anchors and bought 2 new ones.

Neither of the 2 new were recommended here, the decision to try them was based on a combination of trying what I had, some research and an interest in the odd,,,

Of the older anchors was several standard Danforth in different sizes and weights including a vinyl coated one that has never set well in the 2 boats I have tried it on. I also have one of those delta digger style anchors. Mixed results overall with my existing anchors.

The 2 new anchors were fluke slip ring style.

The first and least expensive was a Dutton-Lainson 15 E at a crazy low cost of $17.00 direct from the manufacturer. Hooked it up with ~3' of chain and 100' of 1/2' double braid rope, and once set, we didnt budge! I was surprised how well this really under whelming looking anchor held our well over 7000 LB boat.

Then I was talking to someone about the anchor I had used on my Caravelle, a Chene CH-35 saying I wish they offered a bigger version, and he said he knew they were a small company and to call them, maybe they will make a one off model. So I did and they informed me they had just introduced a new model that was the same size as the CH-35, but it was weighted on the flukes by adding extra material on top of them and it was marketed towards big tri-toons. So curiosity got the better of me and I bought one. What an odd anchor,,, But I have to say it works! At ~$80.00 I'm not sure it works better than the $17.00 Dutton-Lainson 15 E slip ring, but I never expected either to be as good as they are. At the moment I am using the Chene Tritoon anchor just because its so weird and I feel like I need something better than a $17.00 anchor to hold a 27' Formula, but in truth the damn $17.00 anchor held rock solid,,, Go figure.

Mostly anchoring at the West Alton or Paugas Bay Sandbar's or just east of Governors Island bridge, so not the most demanding test, but that what has worked best so far.

Dave R · 08-27-2020, 08:10 AM

I recently needed to anchor for 4 days in 70 feet of water and wanted to be ready for bad weather, so I added 300 feet of 8-plait rope to my 200 foot 5/16" chain anchor rode. That 8-plait rope is really cool stuff and if you are in the market for some new rope for your ground tackle, give it a look. It's very supple and does not twist in a windlass. It also lays flat in a rode locker and does not seem to have any memory. I bought it at Defender in CT, a fantastic store that's worth the drive.

I'm not a fan of double braid rope in an anchor rode, it does not have enough stretch IMO, and can transmit excessive shock loads back to the boat. I use an 8-plait snubber with a Mantus chain hook when I let out less than 200 feet of rode. It has a nice amount of stretch and softens the motion nicely.

XCR-700 · 08-27-2020, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave R

I recently needed to anchor for 4 days in 70 feet of water and wanted to be ready for bad weather, so I added 300 feet of 8-plait rope to my 200 foot 5/16" chain anchor rode. That 8-plait rope is really cool stuff and if you are in the market for some new rope for your ground tackle, give it a look. It's very supple and does not twist in a windlass. It also lays flat in a rode locker and does not seem to have any memory. I bought it at Defender in CT, a fantastic store that's worth the drive.

I'm not a fan of double braid rope in an anchor rode, it does not have enough stretch IMO, and can transmit excessive shock loads back to the boat. I use an 8-plait snubber with a Mantus chain hook when I let out less than 200 feet of rode. It has a nice amount of stretch and softens the motion nicely.

Clearly you are using your anchor totally differently and I have no doubt your recommendations are correct for that application.

We make very limited use of an anchor, good weather daytime short duration use at sandbars and coves and thats it, no plans ever for any other anchoring with this boat.

I suppose I could find myself not prepared if I had a sudden engine or drive failure in an unexpected storm, but thats the only other case I could envision for us.

And so my selection was based on that narrow planned usage.

My next option was going to be a Digger, it looks very interesting. The only reason I didnt start with it was some reviews warned about problems with sand/dirt in the mechanism, and my planed anchoring is only in sand and mud. I still remain interested in it.

XCR-700 · 08-27-2020, 08:34 AM

Here is a picture of the Chene Tritoon Anchor.

You can see the material added to the flukes (on top of them)

It is a pretty sharp edge design compared to many other anchors. Not enough to cut you, but clearly not soft and rounded design.

It seems to penetrate well and bit hard, but is also easy to retrieve due to the slip ring design.

All I can say is so far so good. Your results may vary,,,

Below is their marketing description:

Chene Anchor Tritoon Boat Anchor

The Chene Anchor Tritoon Boat Anchor features a unique shank configuration unlike any other anchor on the market. This Chene anchor rotates a full 90° degrees, allowing the flukes to penetrate deeply with a full 45° set. This 45° angle provides 4 times more holding power than other slip-ring anchors, and as a result, the Chene Anchor Tritoon Boat Anchor requires 70% less anchor line and performs best with an approximately 2:1 line-to-depth ratio. The unique slip-ring design also allows easy retrieval. The solid steel construction brings more durability, along with a zinc coating that helps protect against the harshest environments, even saltwater. Perfect as temporary mooring for swim rafts, shore moorings, and docks. 15"L x 15"W. Manufacturer's lifetime limited warranty.

Manufacturer model #: CH-35-DLF.

Unique shank configuration
Rotates a full 90°
4 times more holding power than other slip-ring anchors
Requires 70% less anchor line
Easy retrieval
Solid steel construction
Zinc coating
High performance in any environment, even saltwater
Perfect for swim rafts, shore moorings, and docks

ishoot308 · 08-27-2020, 08:52 AM

A 2:1 scope is unreal if true! Weight rating must go down at that scope...

Dan

XCR-700 · 08-27-2020, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

A 2:1 scope is unreal if true! Weight rating must go down at that scope...

Dan

I cant fully confirm 2:1, but I can say I have been successful on a lot less rope than I have with other anchors.

I think the Fortress Anchors have some capability to reconfigured to have a similar deep fluke angle for use in sand and mud.

No comment about using the Fortress in rocks or downed trees/logs, but the slip ring anchors have always come out for me without too much trouble.

Again, they are not for everyone and/or every situation, but so far they seem to work well in Winnipesaukee mud and sand for light duty day anchoring.

For whatever that is worth to anyone,,,

Oh, and I seem to recall Digger making similar claims about not needing a chain and allowing for a 4:2 scope (which I assume is the same as 2:1) That said, I still use a chain on my Chene anchor.

8gv · 08-28-2020, 12:10 AM

I have a Fortress anchor with 5' of SS chain on my Edgewater center console.

The boat is used exclusively in the ocean.

I am so paranoid about losing the expensive Fortress anchor and chain that I carry a slip ring anchor to use on rocky bottoms like those at the Isle Of Shoals.

The Florida boat has two Fortress anchors but it is all sand there.

The Winni boat has one too which works well but the mud sticks to it enough to have me troll it backward to clean it before bringing it back aboard.

Kamper · 08-28-2020, 08:10 AM

https://books.google.com/books?id=gO...nchors&f=false

"Chapman's' may be helpful.

XCR-700 · 08-28-2020, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 8gv

The Winni boat has one too which works well but the mud sticks to it enough to have me troll it backward to clean it before bringing it back aboard.

Laughing as I think I have spent more time cleaning the mud off anchors than the time it takes to pull them up. You would think the process of pulling them up would be enough, but that is never the case for me,,,

Dave R · 08-29-2020, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by XCR-700

Laughing as I think I have spent more time cleaning the mud off anchors than the time it takes to pull them up. You would think the process of pulling them up would be enough, but that is never the case for me,,,

We often idle forward for a good distance with the anchor dangling to clean mud off the anchor and chain. Other boater have often yelled "your anchor is still out!" when we do this.

thinkxingu · 08-27-2020, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Here is a picture of the Chene Tritoon Anchor.

You can see the material added to the flukes (on top of them)

It is a pretty sharp edge design compared to many other anchors. Not enough to cut you, but clearly not soft and rounded design.

It seems to penetrate well and bit hard, but is also easy to retrieve due to the slip ring design.

All I can say is so far so good. Your results may vary,,,

Below is their marketing description:

Chene Anchor Tritoon Boat Anchor

The Chene Anchor Tritoon Boat Anchor features a unique shank configuration unlike any other anchor on the market. This Chene anchor rotates a full 90° degrees, allowing the flukes to penetrate deeply with a full 45° set. This 45° angle provides 4 times more holding power than other slip-ring anchors, and as a result, the Chene Anchor Tritoon Boat Anchor requires 70% less anchor line and performs best with an approximately 2:1 line-to-depth ratio. The unique slip-ring design also allows easy retrieval. The solid steel construction brings more durability, along with a zinc coating that helps protect against the harshest environments, even saltwater. Perfect as temporary mooring for swim rafts, shore moorings, and docks. 15"L x 15"W. Manufacturer's lifetime limited warranty.

Manufacturer model #: CH-35-DLF.

Unique shank configuration
Rotates a full 90°
4 times more holding power than other slip-ring anchors
Requires 70% less anchor line
Easy retrieval
Solid steel construction
Zinc coating
High performance in any environment, even saltwater
Perfect for swim rafts, shore moorings, and docks

A couple interesting things I note in their description: 4x more holding power than other "slip ring" designs. Probs allows them to say that in comparison to Fortress. Also, the 2:1 rode is pretty awesome if accurate.

The anchor we started with/that came with Boatie Two was a slip-ring Danforth style that was HORRIBLE. The Mantus I replaced it with has anchored every time, first time, and holds for hours in even the most choppy and windy conditions. In fact, I'm most impressed when we're in open water and swing and it resets without any noticeable slide—maybe the best sell over Danforth style anchors (that I've used).

Glad you found your perfect anchor—it's nice to not have to worry about anchoring!

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XCR-700 · 08-27-2020, 09:10 AM

Not quite sure I found my perfect anchor, but so far it seems to do what I need it to do.

Boating accessories are a fascinating study, what peoples preferences and experiences are is good reading to me. Much better than the political dust-ups we see way too often.

Not saying we should not be discussing and debating political matters, I just get frustrated that you cannot express an honest opinion in opposition to someone else's position without risk of personal and nasty attacks.

For some reason we seem to be able to debate our preferences for boats and boating matters with a little less volatility.

Well sometimes,,,

08-27-2020, 08:52 AM	#5
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 6,307 Thanks: 2,406 Thanked 5,309 Times in 2,070 Posts	A 2:1 scope is unreal if true! Weight rating must go down at that scope... Dan __________________ It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!

08-26-2020, 07:58 PM	#1
XCR-700 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MA Posts: 1,342 Thanks: 757 Thanked 538 Times in 313 Posts	Closing the loop on this one, dug out several old anchors and bought 2 new ones. Neither of the 2 new were recommended here, the decision to try them was based on a combination of trying what I had, some research and an interest in the odd,,, Of the older anchors was several standard Danforth in different sizes and weights including a vinyl coated one that has never set well in the 2 boats I have tried it on. I also have one of those delta digger style anchors. Mixed results overall with my existing anchors. The 2 new anchors were fluke slip ring style. The first and least expensive was a Dutton-Lainson 15 E at a crazy low cost of $17.00 direct from the manufacturer. Hooked it up with ~3' of chain and 100' of 1/2' double braid rope, and once set, we didnt budge! I was surprised how well this really under whelming looking anchor held our well over 7000 LB boat. Then I was talking to someone about the anchor I had used on my Caravelle, a Chene CH-35 saying I wish they offered a bigger version, and he said he knew they were a small company and to call them, maybe they will make a one off model. So I did and they informed me they had just introduced a new model that was the same size as the CH-35, but it was weighted on the flukes by adding extra material on top of them and it was marketed towards big tri-toons. So curiosity got the better of me and I bought one. What an odd anchor,,, But I have to say it works! At ~$80.00 I'm not sure it works better than the $17.00 Dutton-Lainson 15 E slip ring, but I never expected either to be as good as they are. At the moment I am using the Chene Tritoon anchor just because its so weird and I feel like I need something better than a $17.00 anchor to hold a 27' Formula, but in truth the damn $17.00 anchor held rock solid,,, Go figure. Mostly anchoring at the West Alton or Paugas Bay Sandbar's or just east of Governors Island bridge, so not the most demanding test, but that what has worked best so far.

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08-27-2020, 08:10 AM	#2
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,985 Thanks: 246 Thanked 744 Times in 444 Posts	I recently needed to anchor for 4 days in 70 feet of water and wanted to be ready for bad weather, so I added 300 feet of 8-plait rope to my 200 foot 5/16" chain anchor rode. That 8-plait rope is really cool stuff and if you are in the market for some new rope for your ground tackle, give it a look. It's very supple and does not twist in a windlass. It also lays flat in a rode locker and does not seem to have any memory. I bought it at Defender in CT, a fantastic store that's worth the drive. I'm not a fan of double braid rope in an anchor rode, it does not have enough stretch IMO, and can transmit excessive shock loads back to the boat. I use an 8-plait snubber with a Mantus chain hook when I let out less than 200 feet of rode. It has a nice amount of stretch and softens the motion nicely.

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XCR-700 (08-27-2020)

08-27-2020, 08:34 AM	#4
XCR-700 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MA Posts: 1,342 Thanks: 757 Thanked 538 Times in 313 Posts	Here is a picture of the Chene Tritoon Anchor. You can see the material added to the flukes (on top of them) It is a pretty sharp edge design compared to many other anchors. Not enough to cut you, but clearly not soft and rounded design. It seems to penetrate well and bit hard, but is also easy to retrieve due to the slip ring design. All I can say is so far so good. Your results may vary,,, Below is their marketing description: Chene Anchor Tritoon Boat Anchor The Chene Anchor Tritoon Boat Anchor features a unique shank configuration unlike any other anchor on the market. This Chene anchor rotates a full 90° degrees, allowing the flukes to penetrate deeply with a full 45° set. This 45° angle provides 4 times more holding power than other slip-ring anchors, and as a result, the Chene Anchor Tritoon Boat Anchor requires 70% less anchor line and performs best with an approximately 2:1 line-to-depth ratio. The unique slip-ring design also allows easy retrieval. The solid steel construction brings more durability, along with a zinc coating that helps protect against the harshest environments, even saltwater. Perfect as temporary mooring for swim rafts, shore moorings, and docks. 15"L x 15"W. Manufacturer's lifetime limited warranty. Manufacturer model #: CH-35-DLF. Unique shank configuration Rotates a full 90° 4 times more holding power than other slip-ring anchors Requires 70% less anchor line Easy retrieval Solid steel construction Zinc coating High performance in any environment, even saltwater Perfect for swim rafts, shore moorings, and docks

08-28-2020, 12:10 AM	#7
8gv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,114 Thanks: 64 Thanked 749 Times in 483 Posts	I have a Fortress anchor with 5' of SS chain on my Edgewater center console. The boat is used exclusively in the ocean. I am so paranoid about losing the expensive Fortress anchor and chain that I carry a slip ring anchor to use on rocky bottoms like those at the Isle Of Shoals. The Florida boat has two Fortress anchors but it is all sand there. The Winni boat has one too which works well but the mud sticks to it enough to have me troll it backward to clean it before bringing it back aboard.

08-28-2020, 08:10 AM	#8
Kamper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Thornton's Ferry Posts: 1,308 Thanks: 67 Thanked 172 Times in 128 Posts	https://books.google.com/books?id=gO...nchors&f=false "Chapman's' may be helpful.

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XCR-700 (08-27-2020)

08-27-2020, 09:10 AM	#12
XCR-700 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MA Posts: 1,342 Thanks: 757 Thanked 538 Times in 313 Posts	Not quite sure I found my perfect anchor, but so far it seems to do what I need it to do. Boating accessories are a fascinating study, what peoples preferences and experiences are is good reading to me. Much better than the political dust-ups we see way too often. Not saying we should not be discussing and debating political matters, I just get frustrated that you cannot express an honest opinion in opposition to someone else's position without risk of personal and nasty attacks. For some reason we seem to be able to debate our preferences for boats and boating matters with a little less volatility. Well sometimes,,,