Moultonborough continues to polarize

[Natt]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Gun club has been around since 1969.

I hope they are able to keep the club going, it's becoming more common place these days people move in next to a club then start to raise hell to shut them down. Club I used to belong to had to fight a similar battle and prevailed.

If you don't want to listen to shots going off then don't buy a piece of property next to a club. Simple as that.

Don't know where your getting your bogus info. We've been here for 4 decades, DECADES. The Mount Shaw Gun Club started a year and a half ago. Mr. Purse appears to have been been deceptive and disingenuous when stating to the ZBA and CCO that this was his backyard and the shooting would be for family and friends. Some of his email highlights from 4/4/19 include..."opening day shoot at 1277 Wentworth Highway"..."warmup and competition at Five Stand"..."private shooting lessons"..."consider becoming a patron"..."test out and potentially purchase a shotgun or rifle" from "a local gun dealer"..."hold shooting clinics for beginner shooters on Saturday and Sunday mornings"..."

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Natt

Don't know where your getting your bogus info. We've been here for 4 decades, DECADES. The Mount Shaw Gun Club started a year and a half ago. Mr. Purse appears to have been been deceptive and disingenuous when stating to the ZBA and CCO that this was his backyard and the shooting would be for family and friends. Some of his email highlights from 4/4/19 include..."opening day shoot at 1277 Wentworth Highway"..."warmup and competition at Five Stand"..."private shooting lessons"..."consider becoming a patron"..."test out and potentially purchase a shotgun or rifle" from "a local gun dealer"..."hold shooting clinics for beginner shooters on Saturday and Sunday mornings"..."

The Winnipesaukee Sportsman Club has been around since 1969 which is at first what I thought was being discussed here. I have no affiliation with this club however I know most if not all clubs and their leadership are very aware of and bend over backwards to be courteous with establishing rules that take under consideration the noise that is generated through the use of the ranges.

Since it is not that particular club in question this is a different situation. Again - it does not change the fact the landowner has every right to shoot on their own property so long as it falls within the parameters of what the state deems as permissible. If this is an organized club that is starting up or a for profit business that is up to the authorities to make a call as to how this should be handled.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Natt

Don't know where your getting your bogus info. We've been here for 4 decades, DECADES. The Mount Shaw Gun Club started a year and a half ago. Mr. Purse appears to have been been deceptive and disingenuous when stating to the ZBA and CCO that this was his backyard and the shooting would be for family and friends. Some of his email highlights from 4/4/19 include..."opening day shoot at 1277 Wentworth Highway"..."warmup and competition at Five Stand"..."private shooting lessons"..."consider becoming a patron"..."test out and potentially purchase a shotgun or rifle" from "a local gun dealer"..."hold shooting clinics for beginner shooters on Saturday and Sunday mornings"..."

It seems there are a fair amount of lines quoted that indicate commercial vs. private/residence use. Sounds like approval under false pretenses.

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[Sue Doe-Nym]

In reading Natt’s latest post, several things come to mind: fraud on the part of the applicant, commercial vs. private use, and sloppiness on the part of the COE, whose job is to delve deeply into the applicant’s intentions, etc. regarding use of the property.

[whynot]

So, I get that you gun folks like shooting at things but why don't you use a suppressor? Is disturbing your neighbors quality of life part of the appeal?

[Patofnaud]

Because suppressors are bad and make people into snipers!

Seriously though in most countries you get fined for NOT using a suppressor as the noise of open fire scares everyone and all the wildlife. But, in the US with all the stigma and 'well intentioned lawmakers', between supressor pemit fees and local laws, for most its not worth the costs/hassle to Joe Normalguy.

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by whynot

So, I get that you gun folks like shooting at things but why don't you use a suppressor? Is disturbing your neighbors quality of life part of the appeal?

If someone moves next to an existing gun range then they have no leg to stand/complain on. If a range is built after they move to an area and they do not like gun fire I understand that also.

[ApS]

Something that doesn't move...

Are such "nuisances" disclosed on realty sales agreements?

If not, why not?

[tis]

I think a lot of it has to do with volume. Nobody minds a few gunshots but all the time is a different story. Nobody minds a loud boat going up the broads but not all the time. Nobody minds jet skiis as long as they don't go round and round in circles. Nobody minds a wake boat going down the middle but not going round and round. Nobody minds the music for a minute while they drive through. Nobody minds people anchoring as long as there aren't tons of them yelling and screaming all afternoon. As it has gotten busier, there is more and more of everthing and I think that has become the issue.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by tis

I think a lot of it has to do with volume. Nobody minds a few gunshots but all the time is a different story. Nobody minds a loud boat going up the broads but not all the time. Nobody minds jet skiis as long as they don't go round and round in circles. Nobody minds a wake boat going down the middle but not going round and round. Nobody minds the music for a minute while they drive through. Nobody minds people anchoring as long as there aren't tons of them yelling and screaming all afternoon. As it has gotten busier, there is more and more of everthing and I think that has become the issue.

Well said!

But whats the fix, will people move away, will people stop moving there, will people evolve to accept the volume, or will they just battle endlessly until the most expensive or most creative lawyer wins the battle for one side or the other.

Again, good luck to you all, I see no easy fix, but it does start with recognition of the problems and expressing your preferences and concerns.

[tis]

XCR, I don't know what the fix is. I think people will battle endlessly and there will be more and more rules. I see a tension (fury) that I have never seen until the last few years between the different factions. Lots of people have that I can do whatever I want to attitude and don't respect others. I think there is going to be a serious confrontation one of these days and it's very scary. Just MHO.

[marinewife]

I agree, there seems to be more tension among people.

My father had a lovely home in an ocean community back in 1991.

After 9/11/01, a tremendous amount of people from NYC bought 2nd homes to escape. He was retired and had volunteered as an ambulance driver for his town in 1994. Dad noticed shortly after that no one was pulling over their cars for emergencies- they were double parked in front of stores, or kept driving, and precious minutes were lost on the way to the hospital for many of the people he was carrying. He got fed up with the traffic, the new residents, and the attitudes and moved to the hills of Schoharie County in New York State.

For the first time this summer, I noticed many out of state cars double-parked in front of stores on Main St in Wolfeboro. MA, CT, NY for the most part, but still, it's a small town and difficult to navigate with double-parked cars.

Today at 11:30AM, I saw a MA plate driver who was getting out of his car in front of Nolans shout and give the finger to a car driving past him. What in the world is going on- is it the months of dealing with the virus here or is it something else?

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by marinewife

…..I saw a MA plate driver.....

'Nuff said!

[marinewife]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

'Nuff said!

lol, be careful- 80% of out of state residents hail from MA.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by marinewife

lol, be careful- 80% of out of state residents hail from MA.

As do I...!

[whynot]

Re: using suppressors

I don't understand folks obsessed with their guns and feel the need to shoot them all the time. Sounds like a bunch of wanna be snipers.

I don't like the idea of rogue shooting ranges popping up willy nilly. Doesn't sound safe to me. Folks should be going to an established gun club to target practice.

[iw8surf]

Originally Posted by whynot

Re: using suppressors

I don't understand folks obsessed with their guns and feel the need to shoot them all the time. Sounds like a bunch of wanna be snipers.

I don't like the idea of rogue shooting ranges popping up willy nilly. Doesn't sound safe to me. Folks should be going to an established gun club to target practice.

People who shoot all the time are the same as golfers going to the driving range, or anyone else who does LITERALLY anything that requires repetitive practice to get better. Really not hard to understand.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by whynot

Re: using suppressors

I don't understand folks obsessed with their guns and feel the need to shoot them all the time. Sounds like a bunch of wanna be snipers.

I don't like the idea of rogue shooting ranges popping up willy nilly. Doesn't sound safe to me. Folks should be going to an established gun club to target practice.

I don't like the idea of people like yourself who clearly have little to no knowledge of anything related to firearms telling me what I can and cannot do ESPECIALLY on my own property just because YOU don't understand.

Furthermore wherever this notion is that those of us that enjoy target practice are some how some wanna be snipers is completely ignorant which is typical.

I'm however glad that you find it safe to encourage people to go put silencers on their firearms as they run around as you put it - like wanna be snipers. Perfect....

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by whynot

Re: using suppressors

I don't understand folks obsessed with their guns and feel the need to shoot them all the time. Sounds like a bunch of wanna be snipers.

I don't like the idea of rogue shooting ranges popping up willy nilly. Doesn't sound safe to me. Folks should be going to an established gun club to target practice.

You are quite correct....You really “don’t understand”.

Dan