Moultonborough continues to polarize

tis · 09-08-2020, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by phoenix

I think the real polarization revolves around the rec center. One group continues to push a 7 m plan and others want nothing. It would seem if only a 2-3m primarily senior center was proposed with no other options maybe it would provide the town something it needs and maybe both sides could accept. I am a summer resident so i don vote but i would support a smaller option

That's what I had read at first was the cause. So all this about the gun range surprised me.

tummyman · 09-08-2020, 05:34 PM

Post #55 talks about a scaled down CC as a viable option. The option is right in front of everyone....it is the former Keepsake building at 130 Whittier Highway. Fabulous facility that could accommodate all the town needs. Sale price $1.6M. Toss in some money for rehab, etc, and it could be up and running in a few months for close to $2.0M. Would not even need to be bonded. Facility is on TOWN SEWER, has a generator, parking, etc. etc. No septic issues ever. But there is such polarization in this town that NOBODY knows how to compromise. Must be that they were in DC and learned how not to get anything done. So instead fo fixing things for the folks in town, we'll continue to piss and moan at Town Meeting and if anything NEW that gets approved...not likely...is probably 5 years off. All the parents who want stuff for their kids will have the kids in college before the town does anything. And the Lions Club will continue to rot. Stupid.......but that is Moultonborough today. Reasonable people would be working TOGETHER on this. But no, all they want to do is complain
that they are not getting their way.

Sue Doe-Nym · 09-08-2020, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tummyman

Post #55 talks about a scaled down CC as a viable option. The option is right in front of everyone....it is the former Keepsake building at 130 Whittier Highway. Fabulous facility that could accommodate all the town needs. Sale price $1.6M. Toss in some money for rehab, etc, and it could be up and running in a few months for close to $2.0M. Would not even need to be bonded. Facility is on TOWN SEWER, has a generator, parking, etc. etc. No septic issues ever. But there is such polarization in this town that NOBODY knows how to compromise. Must be that they were in DC and learned how not to get anything done. So instead fo fixing things for the folks in town, we'll continue to piss and moan at Town Meeting and if anything NEW that gets approved...not likely...is probably 5 years off. All the parents who want stuff for their kids will have the kids in college before the town does anything. And the Lions Club will continue to rot. Stupid.......but that is Moultonborough today. Reasonable people would be working TOGETHER on this. But no, all they want to do is complain
that they are not getting their way.

The people who want to spend the big bucks don’t want to hear anything about the Keepsake building. To many of us, those who will be footing the bill for a large %age of this building, have suggested it as a viable option, and a fabulous compromise. The school/rec. center/ new gym people want the $ 7 million extravaganza on the Taylor property adjoining the school.
With this attitude, they may be buildingless forever, and that’s fine with me.

longislander · 09-08-2020, 07:20 PM

The Sabanek building, warehouse/distribution center for Keepsake quilts, at 130 Whittier Hy., could indeed be part of the solution, to end the Moultonborough annual, rec.center/ gym/community center "fight".

https://www.xome.com/commercial-for-...3254-329527566

The Capital Improvements Program Committee (CIPC) for this 2021 town meeting has already introduced the Taj Mahal gym. The select board probably won't act on it, as they have not in the past. A 25 registered voter petition will legally put it on the 2021 warrant, again, and the select board cannot legally stop it.

Last annual meeting, in fairness to the select board, they tried to re-build the former Lions Club property (present community center) and next year do something for the gym.

The petition for the Taj Mahal came in just in time to be placed on the warrant. Neither passed by the 2/3rds majority vote needed.

The prime proponent for the Taj Mahal has now retired from the recreation department, but was only a figure head for the folks that want a town paid child care center.

MAXUM · 09-09-2020, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by longislander

The Sabanek building, warehouse/distribution center for Keepsake quilts, at 130 Whittier Hy., could indeed be part of the solution, to end the Moultonborough annual, rec.center/ gym/community center "fight".

https://www.xome.com/commercial-for-...3254-329527566

The Capital Improvements Program Committee (CIPC) for this 2021 town meeting has already introduced the Taj Mahal gym. The select board probably won't act on it, as they have not in the past. A 25 registered voter petition will legally put it on the 2021 warrant, again, and the select board cannot legally stop it.

Last annual meeting, in fairness to the select board, they tried to re-build the former Lions Club property (present community center) and next year do something for the gym.

The petition for the Taj Mahal came in just in time to be placed on the warrant. Neither passed by the 2/3rds majority vote needed.

The prime proponent for the Taj Mahal has now retired from the recreation department, but was only a figure head for the folks that want a town paid child care center.

Sounds like a voter petition to eliminate the Capital Improvements Program Committee is needed more than anything else.

Juiced06GTO · 09-09-2020, 04:36 PM

We had a similar situation regarding a new library in my small rural town in Mass, pop 8k people. They proposed a 12+ million dollar library for the town the year after we built an 8 million dollar police station. The gross expense of these two buildings was too much for a lot of people in the town and the library proposal took a massive beating at the town meeting. People were so polarized in their view that they refused to try and compromise and the meeting almost digressed into a shouting match had it not been for the board taking control and calming people down.

I was one of many who saw no need to sink 12 million dollars into a library for a town of 8k people and a total school population of 400 kids! A more reasonable building or re-purposing of an existing building was never even brought up as an option because it wouldn't have qualified for the state grant of 2 million dollars towards the new building. Had there been any real discussion I may have considered voting for a more reasonable proposal.

tummyman · 09-09-2020, 06:31 PM

Totally agree. Useless group. No real long term planning. Even BOS does not pay attention to them. When they went to Town Meeting with changes to budget articles that had capital items, they never even consulted with CIPC. Pure useless committee.

tummyman · 09-09-2020, 06:39 PM

All we need is 25 registered voters to submit a petition article for the 130 property. Any interest????

XCR-700 · 09-10-2020, 10:50 AM

I was looking back over some of the comments in this thread and in the light of a new day a few of them made me laugh.

No offense to the posters intended, but it clearly shows how differently people think, or dont think,,,

One comment about neighbors riding 4 wheelers around their property was a bit humorous to me. As if someone would go out and spend countless thousands of dollars on these machines and not ride them. Why would you buy them to not ride them and just look at the rotting away from lack of use. I'm sure I'm missing something on that post, but rereading it made me laugh.

Then there were comments about using suppressors and shooting all the time. And how can any actually gun owner not shake their head in disbelief on that one. "why are we not using suppressors" because most of us would go to jail for a long time for doing such! Suppressor and full-auto restrictions are possibly the craziest firearms restrictions every passed. People watch too many movies and believe thats real life. No one is taking a $50,000 full auto gun in to hold up that local gas station or liquor store, and no one is using suppressors to kill their neighbors, bosses, husbands, wives, etc. But its clear from the poster they have no exposure to guns in any meaningful way. And that thread also included a comment about shooting all the time, so as with the 4 wheeler comment, there is some belief that the buyer/owner just bought it to look at, not actually use. Too funny. Again, not intending to insult the OP, just noting the very different points of view.

But in the end these posts were not personal attacks against any other poster, so its a good open discussion and exchange of perspectives and insight into the other persons world.

And when you take a breath and look at it a day later, it usually doesn't irritate you nearly as much as the first read, and in some cases may actually make you laugh at how different some of us see the world than others.

Like I said in the title just my stupid observations and if you read this, I cant feel too bad for you, you were warned

marinewife · 09-10-2020, 05:13 PM

Where I came from, quads were used to transport brush and vegetables from a garden, and plots were rarely bigger than an acre. No one was screaming and yelling while they drove it.

I think they transported them outside of neighborhoods to ride freely, so I clearly
am not used to people like my neighbors.

But I'm not complaining, I was just was making an observation. This is definitely a different place to live, but I am thrilled to be here.

XCR-700 · 09-10-2020, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by marinewife

Where I came from, quads were used to transport brush and vegetables from a garden, and plots were rarely bigger than an acre. No one was screaming and yelling while they drove it.

I think they transported them outside of neighborhoods to ride freely, so I clearly
am not used to people like my neighbors.

But I'm not complaining, I was just was making an observation. This is definitely a different place to live, but I am thrilled to be here.

First, you certainly dont need to justify your opinion or post, I was just observing the different perspectives we are seeing.

As for the 4 wheeler neighbors, NH has hundreds of miles of trails for snowmobiles and 4 wheelers and many owners ride both on their own property and on the trail systems and put down hunderds of miles of their machines every year.

Cant say anything about the yelling, that certainly does sound a bit redneck, and as with snowmobiles AND Boats, one can only hope their operations is done without alcohol,,,

In the end, we can only hope their use of their vehicles does not conflict too much with your use and enjoyment of your property, and let us not confuse disturbing the peace (loud exhausts, loud music, loud yelling) with reasonable use of a recreation vehicle.

ATB

09-10-2020, 10:50 AM	#9
XCR-700 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MA Posts: 1,342 Thanks: 757 Thanked 538 Times in 313 Posts	My stupid observations that are not worth reading, so stop now! I was looking back over some of the comments in this thread and in the light of a new day a few of them made me laugh. *No offense to the posters intended, but it clearly shows how differently people think, or dont think,,,* One comment about neighbors riding 4 wheelers around their property was a bit humorous to me. As if someone would go out and spend countless thousands of dollars on these machines and not ride them. Why would you buy them to not ride them and just look at the rotting away from lack of use. I'm sure I'm missing something on that post, but rereading it made me laugh. Then there were comments about using suppressors and shooting all the time. And how can any actually gun owner not shake their head in disbelief on that one. "why are we not using suppressors" because most of us would go to jail for a long time for doing such! Suppressor and full-auto restrictions are possibly the craziest firearms restrictions every passed. People watch too many movies and believe thats real life. No one is taking a $50,000 full auto gun in to hold up that local gas station or liquor store, and no one is using suppressors to kill their neighbors, bosses, husbands, wives, etc. But its clear from the poster they have no exposure to guns in any meaningful way. And that thread also included a comment about shooting all the time, so as with the 4 wheeler comment, there is some belief that the buyer/owner just bought it to look at, not actually use. Too funny. Again, not intending to insult the OP, just noting the very different points of view. But in the end these posts were not personal attacks against any other poster, so its a good open discussion and exchange of perspectives and insight into the other persons world. And when you take a breath and look at it a day later, it usually doesn't irritate you nearly as much as the first read, and in some cases may actually make you laugh at how different some of us see the world than others. Like I said in the title just my stupid observations and if you read this, I cant feel too bad for you, you were warned

09-08-2020, 05:34 PM	#2
tummyman Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 843 Thanks: 259 Thanked 687 Times in 244 Posts	Post #55 talks about a scaled down CC as a viable option. The option is right in front of everyone....it is the former Keepsake building at 130 Whittier Highway. Fabulous facility that could accommodate all the town needs. Sale price $1.6M. Toss in some money for rehab, etc, and it could be up and running in a few months for close to $2.0M. Would not even need to be bonded. Facility is on TOWN SEWER, has a generator, parking, etc. etc. No septic issues ever. But there is such polarization in this town that NOBODY knows how to compromise. Must be that they were in DC and learned how not to get anything done. So instead fo fixing things for the folks in town, we'll continue to piss and moan at Town Meeting and if anything NEW that gets approved...not likely...is probably 5 years off. All the parents who want stuff for their kids will have the kids in college before the town does anything. And the Lions Club will continue to rot. Stupid.......but that is Moultonborough today. Reasonable people would be working TOGETHER on this. But no, all they want to do is complain that they are not getting their way.

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09-08-2020, 07:20 PM	#4
longislander Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 547 Thanks: 49 Thanked 100 Times in 75 Posts	The Sabanek building, warehouse/distribution center for Keepsake quilts, at 130 Whittier Hy., could indeed be part of the solution, to end the Moultonborough annual, rec.center/ gym/community center "fight". https://www.xome.com/commercial-for-...3254-329527566 The Capital Improvements Program Committee (CIPC) for this 2021 town meeting has already introduced the Taj Mahal gym. The select board probably won't act on it, as they have not in the past. A 25 registered voter petition will legally put it on the 2021 warrant, again, and the select board cannot legally stop it. Last annual meeting, in fairness to the select board, they tried to re-build the former Lions Club property (present community center) and next year do something for the gym. The petition for the Taj Mahal came in just in time to be placed on the warrant. Neither passed by the 2/3rds majority vote needed. The prime proponent for the Taj Mahal has now retired from the recreation department, but was only a figure head for the folks that want a town paid child care center.

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09-09-2020, 04:36 PM	#6
Juiced06GTO Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 215 Thanks: 9 Thanked 84 Times in 49 Posts	We had a similar situation regarding a new library in my small rural town in Mass, pop 8k people. They proposed a 12+ million dollar library for the town the year after we built an 8 million dollar police station. The gross expense of these two buildings was too much for a lot of people in the town and the library proposal took a massive beating at the town meeting. People were so polarized in their view that they refused to try and compromise and the meeting almost digressed into a shouting match had it not been for the board taking control and calming people down. I was one of many who saw no need to sink 12 million dollars into a library for a town of 8k people and a total school population of 400 kids! A more reasonable building or re-purposing of an existing building was never even brought up as an option because it wouldn't have qualified for the state grant of 2 million dollars towards the new building. Had there been any real discussion I may have considered voting for a more reasonable proposal.

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09-09-2020, 06:31 PM	#7
tummyman Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 843 Thanks: 259 Thanked 687 Times in 244 Posts	Totally agree. Useless group. No real long term planning. Even BOS does not pay attention to them. When they went to Town Meeting with changes to budget articles that had capital items, they never even consulted with CIPC. Pure useless committee.

09-09-2020, 06:39 PM	#8
tummyman Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 843 Thanks: 259 Thanked 687 Times in 244 Posts	All we need is 25 registered voters to submit a petition article for the 130 property. Any interest????

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09-10-2020, 05:13 PM	#10
marinewife Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: the quiet side of the lake Posts: 109 Thanks: 56 Thanked 65 Times in 32 Posts	Where I came from, quads were used to transport brush and vegetables from a garden, and plots were rarely bigger than an acre. No one was screaming and yelling while they drove it. I think they transported them outside of neighborhoods to ride freely, so I clearly am not used to people like my neighbors. But I'm not complaining, I was just was making an observation. This is definitely a different place to live, but I am thrilled to be here.