Sununu - 1,000 Cases Per Day - Covid-19

[thinkxingu]

Let's not forget those 250k deaths are AFTER all we've done to curb the spread of the virus.

Honestly, now that my students' tests are coming back positive and my tire shop just called to let me know the salesman I worked with last week tested positive, I'm starting to feel like the walls are closing in a bit.

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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Let's not forget those 250k deaths are AFTER all we've done to curb the spread of the virus.

Honestly, now that my students' tests are coming back positive and my tire shop just called to let me know the salesman I worked with last week tested positive, I'm starting to feel like the walls are closing in a bit.

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Obviously, we haven’t done enough.

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[Mr. V]

Obviously, we haven’t done enough.

Maybe Americans will finally "wake up" and respond meaningfully when / if the ICU units in our nation's hospitals fill up to overflowing and can accept no more covid-19 patients.

Images broadcatst on TV in the near future of direly ill patients being denied medical care because the hospitals are overwhelmed will not instill holiday cheer if what I fear may soon happen does indeed come to pass.

It's clear by now that this is not "just a flu:" over a quarter million dead Americans and still counting.

We were once a group of people able to work together for a common purpose, e.g. defeating the Axis in WWII; what happened to us?

[gravy boat]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Let's not forget those 250k deaths are AFTER all we've done to curb the spread of the virus.

Honestly, now that my students' tests are coming back positive and my tire shop just called to let me know the salesman I worked with last week tested positive, I'm starting to feel like the walls are closing in a bit.

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I do see that the CDC website indicates 249,670 deaths attributed to COVID in the US to date. I also see 11,465,722 total cases in the US to date. And there are 328.2 million people currently living in the US. Which means only 0.07% of the US population will die from COVID.

It's been almost 9 months and most of us have been behaving and doing as we have been directed to do by our government and "experts". And yet here is another surge. And although this surge was expected my guess is the same demographic is being impacted again -- the elderly and those with underlying health issues. So why not insist they stay inside and be protected? The elderly (and some obviously unhealthy people) are still out shopping at Hannaford, WalMart, Lowe's, etc. so they are putting themselves at risk by being out there among potential carriers.

Sorry, but we haven't insisted those at risk stay at home -- and to me that seems to be the best way to protect them.

GB

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

I do see that the CDC website indicates 249,670 deaths attributed to COVID in the US to date. I also see 11,465,722 total cases in the US to date. And there are 328.2 million people currently living in the US. Which means only 0.07% of the US population will die from COVID.

This is a bizarre and disgusting use of math, and has nothing to do with the local nature of this thread.

250K is like 5X the number of Americans killed in Vietnam, or 60X the number killed on 9/11. But maybe you shrug at these too?

[gravy boat]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

This is a bizarre and disgusting use of math, and has nothing to do with the local nature of this thread.

250K is like 5X the number of Americans killed in Vietnam, or 60X the number killed on 9/11. But maybe you shrug at these too?

Is my math wrong?

The point is that so few will die from this disease (see the numbers) and yet we are not doing enough to protect the most vulnerable. We slap on a mask and call it good. Those individuals need to be better protected.

Now, because you are a total stranger and have zero affect on my life in any way I will not start a pointless back and forth with you.

GB

[TCC]

Putting this virus into perspective can be helpful. First, gravy boats math is correct but his contention that "only" 250,000 will die needs to be rephrased have died. The projections I'm seeing indicate that by the end of February when the epidemic had been with us for a full year that number is likely to be over 400,000.

By way of comparison, annual US deaths run around: drinking and driving (10,000), opioid abuse (70,000), influenza (10 yr avg around 38,000), and smoking-related (480,000).

I am honestly interested in gravy boat's suggestion the the most vulnerable should be better protected. Thoughts on how that might be done, gravy boat?

[NH4me]

I am a senior citizen on the younger end of the Covid danger range but do have one of the comorbidities. I would like to push back on the notion that I should just stay home and protect myself. I do need groceries and am perfectly capable of getting out to shop and would like to save the options of costly delivery or burdening neighbors to get them for a time when I could be sick. Do I quit going out for regular doctor, dentist or dermatologist appointments and regular tests that now are hopefully keeping me healthy? I am willing to forego seeing grandchildren and friends in person - Zoom and Facetime will suffice for now. I do wear a mask, social distance and carry hand sanitizer to use, maybe obsessively, so I feel as if I am doing everything I can to still fulfill my needs and be safe. What I need is for YOU to do your part and do the same. I think most realize the necessity and are doing a good job, but it is very disheartening to read of those who have decided to take their chances and don't feel any any responsibility for protecting someone like me. I can't do it alone!

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by NH4me

I am a senior citizen on the younger end of the Covid danger range but do have one of the comorbidities. I would like to push back on the notion that I should just stay home and protect myself. I do need groceries and am perfectly capable of getting out to shop and would like to save the options of costly delivery or burdening neighbors to get them for a time when I could be sick. Do I quit going out for regular doctor, dentist or dermatologist appointments and regular tests that now are hopefully keeping me healthy? I am willing to forego seeing grandchildren and friends in person - Zoom and Facetime will suffice for now. I do wear a mask, social distance and carry hand sanitizer to use, maybe obsessively, so I feel as if I am doing everything I can to still fulfill my needs and be safe. What I need is for YOU to do your part and do the same. I think most realize the necessity and are doing a good job, but it is very disheartening to read of those who have decided to take their chances and don't feel any any responsibility for protecting someone like me. I can't do it alone!

Spot on, and I wish you the best health.

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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by gravy boat

Is my math wrong?

The point is that so few will die from this disease (see the numbers) and yet we are not doing enough to protect the most vulnerable. We slap on a mask and call it good. Those individuals need to be better protected.

GB

Your math is correct, it's your insensitivity to preventable death that is vile.

Your either/or thing is also a distraction--one used repeatedly by politicians who have failed to take this seriously enough. Of course we should protect the vulnerable, AND we should all be wearing masks, AND social distancing in general.

[Mr. V]

It is impossible to fully insulate people from the possibility of contracting Covid-19: unless you live in a cave, grow all your own food, make your own clothes and never come in contact with people you are a target.

Consider for example the plight of our most vulnerable population: those in care facilities due to poor health / advanced age.

They require that others care for them, and it is the caregivers that typically are the weak link as they do not live in a protected environment: many of these workers are fairly uneducated low paid folk living in "the real world."

While a doctor or nurse may have the empathy and fortitude to follow safety procedures when not at work (mask, social distancing, hand cleanliness) that is seemingly not the case for the entry level care givers who work in nursing homes and in home care facilities.

My buddy is an in home care giver, and he describes a revolving door of new entry level employees, and how clueless and lacking in discipline some of them are: it just takes one gaff for a care giver to get infected and then infect the entire facility.

No, to beat this thing we must all work together, difficult though it may be, or in the alternative collectively say "to hell with it, WGAS if they die?" and let the chips fall where they may.

Me, I vote for door number one.