Propane prices this winter

[tis]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

I only get about 50-60 gallons per year.
Last propane delivery- 4/25/20
-47.7gal, @ $3.539/gal. = $168.81
-$6.35 Hazzard impact fee
-Total $175.16
I've paid over $4.00/gal. in the past- nothing you can do.

They never (ok, seldom) miss with automatic delivery of both oil and propane, and the service people have been friendly and never (ok, again, seldom) have to come back.

Thumbs up!

Except if you get automatic delivery and run low because your generators has been running for days due to loss of power, don't expect them to break the sequence and make a delivery sooner than was planned with the automatic delivery.

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by tis

Except if you get automatic delivery and run low because your generators has been running for days due to loss of power, don't expect them to break the sequence and make a delivery sooner than was planned with the automatic delivery.

I hear you- but isn't that what generators are for?

Rymes HAS "broken the sequence" for me, in the past.
This has been true even before they bought Fuller out. This is why, even when people were throwing stones at Fuller, I stayed.
Again- Two thumbs up!

[tis]

Yes thankful we have it. But I need somebody to fill it even if it’s not on the regular schedule which Rymes wouldn’t do. You must be special.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by tis

Yes thankful we have it. But I need somebody to fill it even if it’s not on the regular schedule which Rymes wouldn’t do. You must be special.

Good to know and to keep an eye on as I have a generator and use Rhymes. Thank you for the heads up.

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[Sue Doe-Nym]

Amerigas showed up at 8:30, and 385 gallons later, such relief! I am no mathematician, but my figuring says we were at 8% before the fill up.....too dicey!

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Amerigas showed up at 8:30, and 385 gallons later, such relief! I am no mathematician, but my figuring says we were at 8% before the fill up.....too dicey!

Just in the nick of time, going to get real cold.

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Amerigas showed up at 8:30, and 385 gallons later, such relief! I am no mathematician, but my figuring says we were at 8% before the fill up.....too dicey!

In your calculations, remember that tanks are only filled to 80% to allow for expansion and contraction due to temperature changes.

Dave

[DickR]

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

.... remember that tanks are only filled to 80% to allow for expansion and contraction due to temperature changes.

Dave

Further on that (on the Amerigas site, too) is this:https://www.amerigas.com/amerigas-bl...cent-fill-rule

What they could have added, but perhaps considered "too much information," is that there must be adequate vapor space above the liquid level for disengaging of liquid splatter from the top of the boiling surface when the heating system or generator is drawing fuel for use. Propane absorbs heat from the ambient air, through the tank wall, to vaporize liquid for flow through the piping. This boiling must occur, even when the outside temperature is 20 below, to provide at least a few psi of pressure to move propane vapor to the appliance. [OK, perhaps the above is TMI!].

[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Amerigas showed up at 8:30, and 385 gallons later, such relief! I am no mathematician, but my figuring says we were at 8% before the fill up.....too dicey!

If you're not comfortable with your provider then do consider making a change so you can sleep well at night. Bursting pipes just aren't worth so much stress! It sounds like this is the way Amerigas operates.

Another option could be a "tandem" tank to double your capacity.....

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by tis

Yes thankful we have it. But I need somebody to fill it even if it’s not on the regular schedule which Rymes wouldn’t do. You must be special.

I hear you-waiting on heating fuel delivery is not fun.

Sorry if i offended you, but no need to be "smart" or snarky.
After-all maybe I AM special- or you're just not.

[tis]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

I hear you-waiting on heating fuel delivery is not fun.

Sorry if i offended you, but no need to be "smart" or snarky.
After-all maybe I AM special- or you're just not.

No, you didn't offend me at all. I didn't take your comment that way. Nor did I mean to be snarky. I just made the remark with my dry sense of humor- Often when you write rather than talk to people it is interpreted incorrectly. Sorry.

[map]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

I hear you- but isn't that what generators are for?

Rymes HAS "broken the sequence" for me, in the past.
This has been true even before they bought Fuller out. This is why, even when people were throwing stones at Fuller, I stayed.
Again- Two thumbs up!

I believe Rymes has now been bought out by Superior but not advertising it.

Happened to our company in NY as well- Superior bought out a great family business that we used for our oil and propane and things went downhill from there. I hope that will not be the case with Rymes.

[winni83]

Originally Posted by map

I believe Rymes has now been bought out by Superior but not advertising it.

Happened to our company in NY as well- Superior bought out a great family business that we used for our oil and propane and things went downhill from there. I hope that will not be the case with Rymes.

It appears that Superior has in fact acquired Rymes. See NH https://quickstart.sos.nh.gov/online...inessID=685904

https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...ropane-and-Oil

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by map

I believe Rymes has now been bought out by Superior but not advertising it.

Happened to our company in NY as well- Superior bought out a great family business that we used for our oil and propane and things went downhill from there. I hope that will not be the case with Rymes.

Me too!
Because I've started working from home, my heating cost will rise.
I called Rymes, yesterday, to make sure they adjust their automatic delivery to me.
I think we all know they use things like degree days and past delivery records to forecast for automatic delivery- Expectedly, I won't get left short.

[map]

Originally Posted by tis

Except if you get automatic delivery and run low because your generators has been running for days due to loss of power, don't expect them to break the sequence and make a delivery sooner than was planned with the automatic delivery.

That reminds me - when we were getting quotes for the standby generator one guy said we should get an additional tank. We currently have 2 / 100 gallon tanks for our heat.

We didn’t do it but I guess that’s an option if there are any issues in the future.

[DickR]

Originally Posted by map

.... when we were getting quotes for the standby generator one guy said we should get an additional tank. We currently have 2 / 100 gallon tanks for our heat......

A 100 gallon tank for a standby generator? Maybe in summer. Talk to your propane supplier about the correct size of propane tank for fueling a generator. It's more than just how many hours of run time you want during a power outage. A generator of a given size (KW) needs fuel at a certain rate to run at full capacity. As I mentioned earlier in this thread (#33), liquid propane is vaporized using heat absorbed from its surroundings, presumably air around an above-ground tank. Rate of vaporization is proportional to surface area for heat transfer and to temperature difference across the tank wall. When air temperature drops, the temperature of the propane in the tank (and the pressure) must also drop to provide the required temperature difference. At some very low outside temperature, the pressure of the propane boiling inside the tank drops to a point just barely adequate to move propane vapor to the generator.

The supplier should have tables that will give vaporization rate required for a given generator size and rate sustainable at some minimum air temperature for a given tank size. That sets tank size needed.

[map]

Originally Posted by DickR

A 100 gallon tank for a standby generator? Maybe in summer. Talk to your propane supplier about the correct size of propane tank for fueling a generator. It's more than just how many hours of run time you want during a power outage. A generator of a given size (KW) needs fuel at a certain rate to run at full capacity. As I mentioned earlier in this thread (#33), liquid propane is vaporized using heat absorbed from its surroundings, presumably air around an above-ground tank. Rate of vaporization is proportional to surface area for heat transfer and to temperature difference across the tank wall. When air temperature drops, the temperature of the propane in the tank (and the pressure) must also drop to provide the required temperature difference. At some very low outside temperature, the pressure of the propane boiling inside the tank drops to a point just barely adequate to move propane vapor to the generator.

The supplier should have tables that will give vaporization rate required for a given generator size and rate sustainable at some minimum air temperature for a given tank size. That sets tank size needed.

Thanks. Yes- that guy was trying to sell us a 14k generator. That would have been 3 / 100 gallon tanks, including the 2 we have already for heat.

We ended up with a 10k- hooked up to our 2/ 100 gallon tanks- again that also fuel our heat.

At our other home - which was 2600 square feet- we had a 16k with 2/ 100 gallon tanks, but we heated the house with oil, not propane.

One thing we did in our former home is if we had a long power outage, we shut the generator off over night to save on propane.

[mishman]

Just got 250 gallons today at $1.82/gallon. Not part of a buying coop but have threaten to join one if Eastern did not come down on their price. While not the lowest price around, I don't want to go through hassle of yanking their buried tank out of the ground and buying one so I can shop around. Typically use about 1200 gallons over the course of a year (heating, dryer, stove and hot water).

[tis]

Originally Posted by mishman

Just got 250 gallons today at $1.82/gallon. Not part of a buying coop but have threaten to join one if Eastern did not come down on their price. While not the lowest price around, I don't want to go through hassle of yanking their buried tank out of the ground and buying one so I can shop around. Typically use about 1200 gallons over the course of a year (heating, dryer, stove and hot water).

If you change they don't yank it out of the ground. The new company buys it. I asked.

[SAMIAM]

If it's above ground they swap it out and you have to get credit for remaining gas from the old tank.

[tis]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

If it's above ground they swap it out and you have to get credit for remaining gas from the old tank.

Right but mis said he/she didn't want to "go through the hassle of digging their buried tank out of the ground" so that's what I was responding to. Because I had thought the same thing.