Survey of Dock and Valet Costs around the lake

[TiltonBB]

Irwin manages Mountain View YC for the owners. Pricing for slips there will have no relationship to what is charged at other Irwin owned or managed facilities. The slip prices at MVYC vary based upon the size and location of the slip and what each owner wants to get for rent.

That number, plus Irwins commission is what you will pay.

[daveschappell]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Irwin manages Mountain View YC for the owners. Pricing for slips there will have no relationship to what is charged at other Irwin owned or managed facilities. The slip prices at MVYC vary based upon the size and location of the slip and what each owner wants to get for rent.

That number, plus Irwins commission is what you will pay.

Thanks -- I just couldn't find a website for them, so until I have a chance to call (and get an answer or a return phone call, which I haven't had luck with anywhere lately!), I just don't have any actual costs to include. If you have any, I'd appreciate that info (and I'll update the Google Doc).

[Descant]

The Google doc lists MVYC which is a private condo association, but does not list places like Spinnaker Cove, Glendale YC or Gilford YC. None of these places are the same as a commercial marina. There is a great variation in facilities and services which affects sales prices, and, as noted by others, the rents are between private parties, not set rate per foot. Irwin Of Winnipesaukee, a related RE firm does offer some services, but I would not expect them to reveal or publish private information from their client services. WCYC is also a club, with a unique set of operating parameters. Harilla ? Paugus Bay Marina? Lakeport Landing?
Trying to summarize all the variables is a monumental task. Bravo for taking on the challenge.

[daveschappell]

Originally Posted by Descant

The Google doc lists MVYC which is a private condo association, but does not list places like Spinnaker Cove, Glendale YC or Gilford YC. None of these places are the same as a commercial marina. There is a great variation in facilities and services which affects sales prices, and, as noted by others, the rents are between private parties, not set rate per foot. Irwin Of Winnipesaukee, a related RE firm does offer some services, but I would not expect them to reveal or publish private information from their client services. WCYC is also a club, with a unique set of operating parameters. Harilla ? Paugus Bay Marina? Lakeport Landing?
Trying to summarize all the variables is a monumental task. Bravo for taking on the challenge.

I'll do the best I can -- so any specifics, phone numbers, etc would be appreciated. At the end of the day, it'll maybe be a useful tool for consumers looking for options, and also for owners of Slips/Docks, Valet, Moorings to know what the market rates are around the lake.

And I'm sure I missed marinas and other options -- I assembled this, as a starting point, by just searching Google Maps for 'marinas on Lake Winnipesaukee' -- so I'd be happy to add others, with info as good as I can get it.

PS I'm on the Board of Governors at WCYC, and figured I'd put this together so that I knew where our rates stood. We know that we're "below market", but our members also pay the sizable membership & annual fee to get access to that benefit. But still, we wanted to make sure that all of our water access methods are getting similar discounts to market rates.

[TiltonBB]

You can call the MVYC office directly at 603-293-0059. That office is staffed by people on Irwin's payroll.

However, in past years Carol Downing in the Irwin Laconia office has handled MVYC slip sales and rentals. 603-287-1929.

There is no contractual requirement that slip owners use Irwin for sales or rentals. Many people handle their own rentals and avoid paying a commission to Irwin to rent their slip. At one time about half the slips at Mountain View were not used by owners but were occupied by renters. I do not know what that number is now.

[Descant]

I would not expect a rental agent at any marina or RE agency to disclose private information. If owners and renters want to tell us what they charge/pay, that's OK, but I would not want my paid agent, who works for me, to publish that info. I encourage Ms. Doiwney, if that's the person, to maintain her private relationship with clients whether they are renters or tenants. I'm not sure why MVYC is the subject when there are several other YC's in similar positions. We should respect their privacy. If Tilton BB is a member of any such organization, he is free to disclose whatever is known to him personally. Otherwise, encouraging members to harass (bad word, I admit) employees of a a management company seeking private information is inappropriate.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Descant

I would not expect a rental agent at any marina or RE agency to disclose private information. If owners and renters want to tell us what they charge/pay, that's OK, but I would not want my paid agent, who works for me, to publish that info.

So when someone calls the office of any marina and asks the rental agent (your "paid agent") if they have slips available and how much they are you want the marina to say "We have some but the slip number and price is a secret?" Since slip prices and locations within a facility vary in size and desirability that just wouldn't work.

The amount a slip renter is asking is not a secret. The office, or Carol Downing in this situation, needs to disclose the asking price and location within the facility of any individual available slip at MVYC when someone calls and inquires about a slip rental. Otherwise how would they ever rent slips?

Daveschappell asked for contact information to add to his list. He is free to call and ask what slips are available and what the asking rent or sale price is. That may help someone wishing to rent a slip, either a renter or an owner. In different times and a slower economy 10 to 15 slips were vacant for the entire summer at MVYC.

Mountain View has the largest number of rental slips on the lake so the pricing there may be helpful to anyone wishing to rent one there or anywhere on the lake.

Purchase prices are a matter of public record since they are recorded at the Belknap County Registry of Deeds and also listed on the Gilford Assessors website.

[daveschappell]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

So when someone calls the office of any marina and asks the rental agent (your "paid agent") if they have slips available and how much they are you want the marina to say "We have some but the slip number and price is a secret?" Since slip prices and locations within a facility vary in size and desirability that just wouldn't work.

The amount a slip renter is asking is not a secret. The office, or Carol Downing in this situation, needs to disclose the asking price and location within the facility of any individual available slip at MVYC when someone calls and inquires about a slip rental. Otherwise how would they ever rent slips?

Daveschappell asked for contact information to add to his list. He is free to call and ask what slips are available and what the asking rent or sale price is. That may help someone wishing to rent a slip, either a renter or an owner. In different times and a slower economy 10 to 15 slips were vacant for the entire summer at MVYC.

Mountain View has the largest number of rental slips on the lake so the pricing there may be helpful to anyone wishing to rent one there or anywhere on the lake.

Purchase prices are a matter of public record since they are recorded at the Belknap County Registry of Deeds and also listed on the Gilford Assessors website.

Again, I doubt I'll get perfect information from everyone; but I thought it would be broadly useful for people, to get a sense of possibilities. And my hunch is that the marinas themselves will also find it very useful, and will save everyone from having to do all of the surveys themselves.

Another obvious point is that location is a big driver here; the cost of a dock in Alton isn't really a perfect proxy if you live on the other end of the lake. But hopefully some folks find it useful. I've gotten a few inputs (Akwa, Goodhue in Wolfeboro and 1-2 others) and have made a few edits. Plus I broke out the "Private Marinas" a little bit better than they were initially.

Hope everyone's having a great weekend -- the Broads are officially now a frozen tundra!

[Descant]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

So when someone calls the office of any marina and asks the rental agent (your "paid agent") if they have slips available and how much they are you want the marina to say "We have some but the slip number and price is a secret?" Since slip prices and locations within a facility vary in size and desirability that just wouldn't work.

The amount a slip renter is asking is not a secret. The office, or Carol Downing in this situation, needs to disclose the asking price and location within the facility of any individual available slip at MVYC when someone calls and inquires about a slip rental. Otherwise how would they ever rent slips?

Daveschappell asked for contact information to add to his list. He is free to call and ask what slips are available and what the asking rent or sale price is. That may help someone wishing to rent a slip, either a renter or an owner. In different times and a slower economy 10 to 15 slips were vacant for the entire summer at MVYC.

Mountain View has the largest number of rental slips on the lake so the pricing there may be helpful to anyone wishing to rent one there or anywhere on the lake.

Purchase prices are a matter of public record since they are recorded at the Belknap County Registry of Deeds and also listed on the Gilford Assessors website.

Obviously, you're right and I agree. I was trying to say something different and I guess I didn't say it very well. Not worth chasing now.