New safety lanyard law

[mswlogo]

I think Cow Man is correct. It’s only waters that are managed by USCG. But state laws will likely adopt it.

https://www.wakeboardingmag.com/stor...-off-switches/

[Cow Man]

The key in my opinion is that this rule applies specifically to "Navigable waters."

The Coast Guard defines navigable waters as, "Navigable waters of the United States are those waters that are subject to the ebb and flow of the tide and/or are presently used, or have been used in the past, or may be susceptible for use to transport interstate or foreign commerce." - 33 CFR Part 329

New Hampshire went to a lot of trouble a few years back arguing successfully that NH lakes are not navigable waters and consequently not under coastguard jurisdiction.

That said, it would be wise to use the lanyard if you have one.

[MotorHead]

Does this mean, if the lanyard is not attached to you or your life jacket, you will be ticketed?

[swnoel]

Originally Posted by MotorHead

Does this mean, if the lanyard is not attached to you or your life jacket, you will be ticketed?

If you're in navigable waters controlled by the CG... NH inland waters are not.

[fatlazyless]

You know that truck drivers are required to wear seat belts in N.H. while it is a choice for car drivers.

For this new boat lanyard rule it will be an unanswered, open question, until it gets a public response from the State of N.H.

[swnoel]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

You know that truck drivers are required to wear seat belts in N.H. while it is a choice for car drivers.

For this new boat lanyard rule it will be an unanswered, open question, until it gets a public response from the State of N.H.

Commercial drivers come under DOT

[Superduty1]

Perfect, new content for North Woods Law.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

You know that truck drivers are required to wear seat belts in N.H. while it is a choice for car drivers.

For this new boat lanyard rule it will be an unanswered, open question, until it gets a public response from the State of N.H.

And shirts and shoes required to eat inside at Sawyers also.

Damn rules for everything, what happened to Live Free or Die??? Bet all the Mass transplants get that slogan changed soon!

[MotorHead]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

And shirts and shoes required to eat inside at Sawyers also.

Damn rules for everything, what happened to Live Free or Die??? Bet all the Mass transplants get that slogan changed soon!

How is this "Not just for basket of deplorables"

Sorry. could not resist. I love the lakes region and the mountains.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by MotorHead

How is this "Not just for basket of deplorables"

Sorry. could not resist. I love the lakes region and the mountains.

And I love a Sawyers burger, hotdog, cole slaw, onion rings and coffee frappe. Oh and the the rotating sign.

But this has nothing to do with lanyards, unless I pull mine out while eating Sawyers in the boat. Does mine have lanyard??? Guess I better check when PBM starts valet service,,, TICK, Tick, tick,,,

[fatlazyless]

Here's a more in-depth look at http://www.propellersafety.com/15702...itch-lanyards/ ... from January 16, 2021.

Just have to wait and see what happens with it here in NH?

What this says is first offense-$100, second offense-$250, additional offenses-$500 so will it get enforced by the NH Marine Patrol and NH Fish & Game? Probably, NH will decide what it will or will not do with new federal law and does it apply to NH waters?

For kayak it requires a safety line be attached to the paddle, so's you do not lose your paddle, and be up the creek without a paddle ...... ha-ha-ha ..... ho-ho-ho ....... just kidding about the paddle safety line ....... sorry. ...

USCG news release, March 10, 2021: http://www.propellersafety.com/15880...-news-release/

[MotorHead]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

And I love a Sawyers burger, hotdog, cole slaw, onion rings and coffee frappe. Oh and the the rotating sign.
,,,

I think you should get a ticket just for loving Sawyers.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by MotorHead

I think you should get a ticket just for loving Sawyers.

We go EVERY opportunity, for me since the early 1960's. Though back then (for my family) it was in competition with Dots in Alton.

Only on special occasions did we go to Harts or maybe even Baileys,,,

NONE of which required safety lanyards to be served.

Actually dont recall seeing safety lanyards on boats until maybe the 90's.

Seems like they serve a purpose in rough water, but rarely a benefit to the masses.

I guess its like everything these days, we seem to almost completely ignore the major issues and focus on problems that impact very few. Five times as many people die in the US from food poisoning than in boats, but we see little progress in that industry. But lanyards in boats, thats important enough to be a requirement. Maybe so, but how we got to that before other items makes me scratch my head. I can see a number of potential requirements long before lanyards. How about automatic bilge blowers for starters,,, Never mind, this will only start more arguments.

[MAXUM]

It'll take somebody getting killed or seriously injured before this is re-thought. Just give it time......

What it won't do is fix stupid.

[swnoel]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

It'll take somebody getting killed or seriously injured before this is re-thought. Just give it time......

What it won't do is fix stupid.

Are you suggesting a new law would solve a problem?

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by swnoel

Are you suggesting a new law would solve a problem?

No just the opposite I see this new law as causing more injuries. I'd love to see the statistics on the number of boating accidents that occur on an annual basis where it has been determined that use of a cutoff would have prevented them. It seems as though every time I read of an accident, it is always the same combination of reasons, inexperience, operating outside safe parameters for the conditions or congestion, operating under the influence or some other operator error. I've never gotten the impression that the majority would have been avoided with a safety lanyard in use.

I guess it just begs the question what's the intended purpose of this cause I don't see it. I do however see having an engine cut out unexpectedly being a huge safety problem. It doesn't take much for them to pop out and flip the switch.

I sometimes wonder who thinks this stuff up. It seems that every time something tragic happens the knee jerk reaction is to pass some new law.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

No just the opposite I see this new law as causing more injuries. I'd love to see the statistics on the number of boating accidents that occur on an annual basis where it has been determined that use of a cutoff would have prevented them. It seems as though every time I read of an accident, it is always the same combination of reasons, inexperience, operating outside safe parameters for the conditions or congestion, operating under the influence or some other operator error. I've never gotten the impression that the majority would have been avoided with a safety lanyard in use.

I guess it just begs the question what's the intended purpose of this cause I don't see it. I do however see having an engine cut out unexpectedly being a huge safety problem. It doesn't take much for them to pop out and flip the switch.

I sometimes wonder who thinks this stuff up. It seems that every time something tragic happens the knee jerk reaction is to pass some new law.

A lanyard is mentioned in a double-ejection in sight of my dock!

The only thing the operator did wrong was not use his safety lanyard (kill switch). He shouldn't be crucified for it!

Woodsy

Not the first time on Lake Winnipesaukee that a worn lanyard would save the day.

[swnoel]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

No just the opposite I see this new law as causing more injuries. I'd love to see the statistics on the number of boating accidents that occur on an annual basis where it has been determined that use of a cutoff would have prevented them. It seems as though every time I read of an accident, it is always the same combination of reasons, inexperience, operating outside safe parameters for the conditions or congestion, operating under the influence or some other operator error. I've never gotten the impression that the majority would have been avoided with a safety lanyard in use.

I guess it just begs the question what's the intended purpose of this cause I don't see it. I do however see having an engine cut out unexpectedly being a huge safety problem. It doesn't take much for them to pop out and flip the switch.

I sometimes wonder who thinks this stuff up. It seems that every time something tragic happens the knee jerk reaction is to pass some new law.

Can't disagree with your statement...

[ApS]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

And I love a Sawyers burger, hotdog, cole slaw, onion rings and coffee frappe. Oh and the the rotating sign.

But this has nothing to do with lanyards, unless I pull mine out while eating Sawyers in the boat. Does mine have lanyard??? Guess I better check when PBM starts valet service,,, TICK, Tick, tick,,,

When I was growing up, this is PBM:
https://www.bing.com/imagePBMs/searc...u6fWW2ijKrK5vw

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by ApS

When I was growing up, this is PBM:
https://www.bing.com/imagePBMs/searc...u6fWW2ijKrK5vw

Sorry, but your link didnt work for me, but I now see in the "deciphered" link (above) that it appears you were attempting to point toward something to do with Martin PBM Mariner

Gotta love the aircraft of that era. We have nothing like them today. Kudos to the men and women who built and supported and piloted them.

And while the war was a horrific and unimaginable event, the post-war period up to maybe 1980 may have been Americas best for quality of life for the masses of middle class Americans. Not perfect by any means, but for me personally, far better than what we have today.

And I'll bet the only lanyards the PBM pilots had were attached to 1911's ;-)

Live Free or Die!

ATB