Colonial Theater

Major · 02-25-2020, 08:26 AM

I can now sleep at night knowing that the auditorium of the Colonial Theater is being named after our former do nothing, city-destroying mayor. He hoodwinked the taxpayers into buying this albatross so it is only fitting that it be named after him.

Red apple · 02-25-2020, 12:37 PM

Agreed! Why not just keep the same name it had?

upthesaukee · 02-25-2020, 01:25 PM

Only the auditorium will have the name change. Still will be the Colonial Theater.

Dave

macbeth · 02-25-2020, 02:39 PM

Liberalism at it's best. He did nothing for Laconia other then Bring more Drug uses and Low income housing to Laconia. I TOTALLY disagree with that decision.

Irish mist · 02-26-2020, 07:00 AM

He's a nice guy, but totally feckless.

TiltonBB · 04-14-2021, 05:49 AM

Here is a surprise! The Colonial Theater project will need more money and be over budget. Who would have ever imagined this?

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...ticle-nav-next

Irish mist · 04-14-2021, 06:54 AM

No surprise.

8gv · 04-14-2021, 10:02 AM

Can somebody please explain to me how these expenditures will ever be recovered?

What is the ROI?

Why are we in this business at all?

WinnisquamZ · 04-14-2021, 10:40 AM

Common sense and one’s wallet have little in common. Or should I say taxpayers

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barefootbay · 04-14-2021, 10:45 AM

This sounds like a real money pit ! I hope there was a clerk of the works who can account for all the costs ! Everyone wants to see the Colonial restored but 14 million+ who knows how much more,must be GRAND inside !

AC2717 · 04-14-2021, 10:50 AM

again, maybe should have spent that $14million and counting on numerous other things the city actually needs, like road infrastructure and a host of other items.

Could have invested in buying up the Weirs and then selling to one developer with a plan or co-owned, you know something that would actually bring money into the city

TiltonBB · 04-14-2021, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by barefootbay

This sounds like a real money pit ! I hope there was a clerk of the works who can account for all the costs ! Everyone wants to see the Colonial restored but 14 million+ who knows how much more,must be GRAND inside !

I would respectfully disagree. EVERYONE does not want to see the Colonial restored. Many very concerned taxpayers thought, and still think, it has been and continues to be a waste of taxpayer funds.

Restored by private investors? Yes, that would be fine.

If it was a good investment a private investor would have taken the whole project on.

MeredithMan · 04-14-2021, 02:24 PM

The article states that the extra money is needed to shore-up the stage....it is warped and un-safe. Maybe I am naive, but given that the main purpose of a theater is for live performances--which require a stage--shouldn't that have been one of the FIRST things that was assessed in determining the extent of the renovation project? From prior articles, it seems that all of the focus, (and money), was on restoring the grandeur of the theater and only now, at the very end, is anyone looking at the condition of the stage. Really??

WinnisquamZ · 04-14-2021, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MeredithMan

The article states that the extra money is needed to shore-up the stage....it is warped and un-safe. Maybe I am naive, but given that the main purpose of a theater is for live performances--which require a stage--shouldn't that have been one of the FIRST things that was assessed in determining the extent of the renovation project? From prior articles, it seems that all of the focus, (and money), was on restoring the grandeur of the theater and only now, at the very end, is anyone looking at the condition of the stage. Really??

You make some great points. Hopefully, our mayor from Gilford will speak to this

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jbolty · 04-14-2021, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MeredithMan

The article states that the extra money is needed to shore-up the stage....it is warped and un-safe. Maybe I am naive, but given that the main purpose of a theater is for live performances--which require a stage--shouldn't that have been one of the FIRST things that was assessed in determining the extent of the renovation project? From prior articles, it seems that all of the focus, (and money), was on restoring the grandeur of the theater and only now, at the very end, is anyone looking at the condition of the stage. Really??

I think it was Willie Brown who said the most important thing with any construction project is to just start making a hole and make it so big it can only be filled with money. I'm sure they knew about this all along but there is no way they could ask for extra funds at the end to fix up the plaster. Now it's too far along to give up.

TiltonBB · 04-14-2021, 04:56 PM

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You make some great points. Hopefully, our mayor from Gilford will speak to this
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Mayor from Gilford? Please explain.

Descant · 04-14-2021, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Mayor from Gilford? Please explain.

Someplace earlier it was pointed out that Mayor is/was living on Governor's Island.

Crusty · 04-14-2021, 05:20 PM

I don't pay Laconia taxes and I've never actually been inside the Colonial. I don't renovate theaters and I've never 'trod the boards' (outside of grade school). From the pictures I've seen, the $14 million spent on an historic hundred-year-old building are impressive. Not noticing that someone poured concrete on the stage (does Laconia require permits and inspections?) is a bit hard to understand, but the fix is certainly required and shouldn't be too expensive, $90/sheet plywood, not withstanding. Assuming the final price tag at about $15 million, that comes to $20,000 per seat (750 seats) -- a pretty hefty investment.

However, where similar rehabs have been undertaken, the results have been very good. In my memory, the Lowes Ohio Theater was less that two weeks from the wrecking ball. It was saved by a citizens group (CAPA) and totally restored to its original grandeur by a combination of private/corporate funds and government grants. Today, it's the home of the Columbus Symphony, hosts touring Broadway shows, and a variety of events. There is a waiting list. The project was so successful that CAPA has restored or built six other venues of varying sizes.

As for the Colonial, the money has been spent. Whether or not it was the right price or if it should have been done at all is entirely moot. The question now open for discussion is how best to use the theater. What attractions will be offered? How will it be promoted?

LongBay · 04-14-2021, 05:53 PM

The Boston Opera House was renovated for $38m at $14,615 per seat and was funded privately. It is interesting they never published how much it would have cost to just build a brand new one. I bet it would have been a lot less to build and maintain.

TiltonBB · 04-14-2021, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Descant

Someplace earlier it was pointed out that Mayor is/was living on Governor's Island.

Thank you Descant. I remember that now (with your help) but the comment didn't make it click.

I wonder what happened with that? At that time the Mayor said he and his wife purchased the Governors Island home in conjunction with his wife’s new career in real estate investment. Seems fishy.

That was in November. Do they still own the home? How many other houses has his wife purchased or sold in conjunction with her new career in real estate investment?

jetskier · 04-14-2021, 07:22 PM

Gee, I have no idea why the stage might need repair.

Jetskier

Descant · 04-14-2021, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Thank you Descant. I remember that now (with your help) but the comment didn't make it click.

I wonder what happened with that? At that time the Mayor said he and his wife purchased the Governors Island home in conjunction with his wife’s new career in real estate investment. Seems fishy.

That was in November. Do they still own the home? How many other houses has his wife purchased or sold in conjunction with her new career in real estate investment?

I think if you buy one GI house for, say $2mm, and within a year, sell it for $3.mm, that's a career. You don't have to do any more for a couple of years to put "successful RE Career" on your resume. I recall a guy doing that on GI in the 80's. Bought, lived in, sold a bunch of houses. Took the $$ and went to someplace in the Caribbean for awhile, then moved back (when he needed more money?). Who says you can't "time the market?"

WinnisquamZ · 04-14-2021, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jetskier

Gee, I have no idea why the stage might need repair.

Jetskier

Are you saying the stage was used as a staging area? Hahaha

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jeffk · 04-15-2021, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MeredithMan

The article states that the extra money is needed to shore-up the stage....it is warped and un-safe. Maybe I am naive, but given that the main purpose of a theater is for live performances--which require a stage--shouldn't that have been one of the FIRST things that was assessed in determining the extent of the renovation project? From prior articles, it seems that all of the focus, (and money), was on restoring the grandeur of the theater and only now, at the very end, is anyone looking at the condition of the stage. Really??

When you are going after public funds, you make sure the LAST thing that gets paid for is among the most essential. That way, when you exceed your budget, it is almost impossible for extra money to be refused. All the places where you might have cut costs have already been paid for.

Yes, it sounds cynical but I have seen it happen over and over.

Consider also that refinishing the hardwood stage had to be a KNOWN expense. Concrete had been poured on it. At a minimum, it would have to be spot repaired, sanded, and refinished. Only an idiot would have ignored the possible damage of the weight of the concrete on the support structure but that is the only work that is a "surprise".

Laconia is already committed to this project. Any extra cost WILL be funded. As to the success of the theater, that is a long way off and will involve a lot of factors including programming for the theater and the general "feel" of the downtown area being attractive to people who might come to see a show, including parking, safety, dining, ambiance, etc.

The deed (renovating the theater) is done. I wish them good luck.

AC2717 · 04-15-2021, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffk

When you are going after public funds, you make sure the LAST thing that gets paid for is among the most essential. That way, when you exceed your budget, it is almost impossible for extra money to be refused. All the places where you might have cut costs have already been paid for.

Yes, it sounds cynical but I have seen it happen over and over.

Consider also that refinishing the hardwood stage had to be a KNOWN expense. Concrete had been poured on it. At a minimum, it would have to be spot repaired, sanded, and refinished. Only an idiot would have ignored the possible damage of the weight of the concrete on the support structure but that is the only work that is a "surprise".

Laconia is already committed to this project. Any extra cost WILL be funded. As to the success of the theater, that is a long way off and will involve a lot of factors including programming for the theater and the general "feel" of the downtown area being attractive to people who might come to see a show, including parking, safety, dining, ambiance, etc.

The deed (renovating the theater) is done. I wish them good luck.

Fully agree, seen it time and time again. Its like a recurring plot that no one in the spending side wants to change in movies because it works.

As far as return. I did see the area of the Hanover theater in Worcester get turned around in a few years solely based on the theater being renovated with restaurants, bars and a little taste of the theater district nightlife like Boston. Bigger population to draw from and higher ticket prices yes. also wasn't funded by Worcester, was private with a little help of donations and some city help. I do not see the Colonial theatre being able to do the same for Laconia unless they can draw in the shows that produce, as well as local productions. Maybe the Winni Playhouse will move over to there with some enticement

winniplayhouse · 04-15-2021, 09:38 AM

Thanks for the shout out but we are unlikley to get involved in the Colonial project. The city has already contracted with a company out of MA to manage the programming and a separate local group will be producing community theatre there.

It's not an easy business and we wish them all well.

8gv · 04-15-2021, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by winniplayhouse

Thanks for the shout out but we are unlikley to get involved in the Colonial project. The city has already contracted with a company out of MA to manage the programming and a separate local group will be producing community theatre there.

It's not an easy business and we wish them all well.

Sit tight...

A few years from now when this project collapses financially they will be begging you to make it your new home!

BroadHopper · 04-15-2021, 11:17 AM

Just can't understand why the city spent millions to buy the buildings off Baldi when she already did millions in damage!

jbolty · 04-15-2021, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffk

When you are going after public funds, you make sure the LAST thing that gets paid for is among the most essential. That way, when you exceed your budget, it is almost impossible for extra money to be refused. All the places where you might have cut costs have already been paid for.

Yes, it sounds cynical but I have seen it happen over and over.

Consider also that refinishing the hardwood stage had to be a KNOWN expense. Concrete had been poured on it. At a minimum, it would have to be spot repaired, sanded, and refinished. Only an idiot would have ignored the possible damage of the weight of the concrete on the support structure but that is the only work that is a "surprise".

Laconia is already committed to this project. Any extra cost WILL be funded. As to the success of the theater, that is a long way off and will involve a lot of factors including programming for the theater and the general "feel" of the downtown area being attractive to people who might come to see a show, including parking, safety, dining, ambiance, etc.

The deed (renovating the theater) is done. I wish them good luck.

exactly so and re enforces the point I made earlier. You will never see "we need a tax increase to pay for bloated public pensions" it's always "police and fire will be cut" Sadly, the public almost always fall for it.

mswlogo · 04-17-2021, 04:20 PM

I'm glad to see it get restored.

A lot of that money went back into the local economy I'm sure.

barefootbay · 04-17-2021, 05:56 PM

Were local contractors and businesses significant participants in the restoration of the Colonial ?

Billy Bob · 04-20-2021, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mswlogo

I'm glad to see it get restored.

A lot of that money went back into the local economy I'm sure.

Agree, Laconia and the lakes region needs more projects like this to continue to draw in people who will visit and spend money .

Patofnaud · 04-20-2021, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by barefootbay

Were local contractors and businesses significant participants in the restoration of the Colonial ?

I know at least a Tilton contractor was involved. Not Laconia, but close enough.

Mr. V · 04-20-2021, 08:18 PM

Having a revitalized theater won't be enough to draw people downtown.

An interesting blend of stores and eateries is required to keep them coming back.

It's been years since I've been downtown, but last time I was there it was but a shadow of the place I recall when growing up.

I really liked the old Army-Navy store, for example.

I applaud the city fathers for taking on the challenge, but I have to ask are there or will there be enough groups to use it often enough to justify its cost?

Let's hope so.

MeredithMan · 04-28-2021, 10:17 AM

...there was a small article deep in the LaDaSun today that stated that the City Council has approved to spend $50K to fix the stage....

jeffk · 04-28-2021, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MeredithMan

...there was a small article deep in the LaDaSun today that stated that the City Council has approved to spend $50K to fix the stage....

If correct, that is a 0.36% cost overrun of a 14 million dollar effort. It is insignificant.

MY OPINION is that if you have a significant construction project and don't anticipate there might be as much as a 10% cost overrun, you are being naive. I always get a chuckle over the house renovation TV shows where the costs start to slip over the budget and panic ensues.

BroadHopper · 04-28-2021, 02:01 PM

Have a great reputation of being on time and within budget. The problem is most projects go to low bidders and they tend to overrun.

Charlie T · 04-28-2021, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Have a great reputation of being on time and within budget. The problem is most projects go to low bidders and they tend to overrun.

I totally agree with this. Many public bid projects are intentionally underbid on the original contract to win the job and then hit with massive change orders to make them profitable.

TiltonBB · 04-28-2021, 07:28 PM

On a central Artery project in Boston that I was involved in change orders were huge.

My company was a sub-contractor to the contractor who won the bid. The contractor had four full time people working on change orders and looking for items involved in the project that were different than specified in the original RFP. They recovered a very substantial amount of money.

02-25-2020, 08:26 AM	#1
Major Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Laconia Posts: 1,079 Thanks: 445 Thanked 1,018 Times in 424 Posts	Colonial Theater I can now sleep at night knowing that the auditorium of the Colonial Theater is being named after our former do nothing, city-destroying mayor. He hoodwinked the taxpayers into buying this albatross so it is only fitting that it be named after him.

02-25-2020, 01:25 PM	#3
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,596 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,453 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	Only the auditorium Only the auditorium will have the name change. Still will be the Colonial Theater. Dave __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!! Last edited by upthesaukee; 02-25-2020 at 05:44 PM.

04-14-2021, 05:49 AM	#6
TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 2,988 Thanks: 695 Thanked 2,195 Times in 930 Posts	More Money Here is a surprise! The Colonial Theater project will need more money and be over budget. Who would have ever imagined this? https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...ticle-nav-next

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AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,573 Thanks: 753 Thanked 354 Times in 266 Posts	again, maybe should have spent that $14million and counting on numerous other things the city actually needs, like road infrastructure and a host of other items. Could have invested in buying up the Weirs and then selling to one developer with a plan or co-owned, you know something that would actually bring money into the city __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"

04-14-2021, 05:20 PM	#18
Crusty Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Columbus OH / Smiths Pt Posts: 128 Thanks: 176 Thanked 158 Times in 57 Posts	Possibly a good thing I don't pay Laconia taxes and I've never actually been inside the Colonial. I don't renovate theaters and I've never 'trod the boards' (outside of grade school). From the pictures I've seen, the $14 million spent on an historic hundred-year-old building are impressive. Not noticing that someone poured concrete on the stage (does Laconia require permits and inspections?) is a bit hard to understand, but the fix is certainly required and shouldn't be too expensive, $90/sheet plywood, not withstanding. Assuming the final price tag at about $15 million, that comes to $20,000 per seat (750 seats) -- a pretty hefty investment. However, where similar rehabs have been undertaken, the results have been very good. In my memory, the Lowes Ohio Theater was less that two weeks from the wrecking ball. It was saved by a citizens group (CAPA) and totally restored to its original grandeur by a combination of private/corporate funds and government grants. Today, it's the home of the Columbus Symphony, hosts touring Broadway shows, and a variety of events. There is a waiting list. The project was so successful that CAPA has restored or built six other venues of varying sizes. As for the Colonial, the money has been spent. Whether or not it was the right price or if it should have been done at all is entirely moot. The question now open for discussion is how best to use the theater. What attractions will be offered? How will it be promoted?

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02-25-2020, 12:37 PM	#2
Red apple Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Laconia Posts: 109 Thanks: 65 Thanked 18 Times in 16 Posts	Agreed! Why not just keep the same name it had?

02-25-2020, 02:39 PM	#4
macbeth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 60 Thanks: 40 Thanked 33 Times in 15 Posts	Liberalism at it's best. He did nothing for Laconia other then Bring more Drug uses and Low income housing to Laconia. I TOTALLY disagree with that decision.

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04-14-2021, 06:54 AM	#7
Irish mist Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 683 Thanks: 127 Thanked 85 Times in 49 Posts	No surprise.

04-14-2021, 10:02 AM	#8
8gv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,092 Thanks: 64 Thanked 744 Times in 478 Posts	Can somebody please explain to me how these expenditures will ever be recovered? What is the ROI? Why are we in this business at all?

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barefootbay Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 383 Thanks: 69 Thanked 97 Times in 70 Posts	This sounds like a real money pit ! I hope there was a clerk of the works who can account for all the costs ! Everyone wants to see the Colonial restored but 14 million+ who knows how much more,must be GRAND inside !

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MeredithMan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Bedford, NH; Meredith, NH Posts: 946 Thanks: 262 Thanked 812 Times in 331 Posts	The article states that the extra money is needed to shore-up the stage....it is warped and un-safe. Maybe I am naive, but given that the main purpose of a theater is for live performances--which require a stage--shouldn't that have been one of the FIRST things that was assessed in determining the extent of the renovation project? From prior articles, it seems that all of the focus, (and money), was on restoring the grandeur of the theater and only now, at the very end, is anyone looking at the condition of the stage. Really??

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LongBay Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 151 Thanks: 48 Thanked 61 Times in 35 Posts	The Boston Opera House was renovated for $38m at $14,615 per seat and was funded privately. It is interesting they never published how much it would have cost to just build a brand new one. I bet it would have been a lot less to build and maintain.

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winniplayhouse Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 205 Thanks: 32 Thanked 58 Times in 41 Posts	Thanks for the shout out but we are unlikley to get involved in the Colonial project. The city has already contracted with a company out of MA to manage the programming and a separate local group will be producing community theatre there. It's not an easy business and we wish them all well.

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mswlogo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 660 Thanks: 196 Thanked 222 Times in 143 Posts	I'm glad to see it get restored. A lot of that money went back into the local economy I'm sure.

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barefootbay Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 383 Thanks: 69 Thanked 97 Times in 70 Posts	Were local contractors and businesses significant participants in the restoration of the Colonial ?

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Mr. V Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the left coast (Portland)and West Alton Posts: 1,388 Thanks: 63 Thanked 253 Times in 172 Posts	Having a revitalized theater won't be enough to draw people downtown. An interesting blend of stores and eateries is required to keep them coming back. It's been years since I've been downtown, but last time I was there it was but a shadow of the place I recall when growing up. I really liked the old Army-Navy store, for example. I applaud the city fathers for taking on the challenge, but I have to ask are there or will there be enough groups to use it often enough to justify its cost? Let's hope so. __________________ basking in the benign indifference of the universe

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MeredithMan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Bedford, NH; Meredith, NH Posts: 946 Thanks: 262 Thanked 812 Times in 331 Posts	The city is coughing up the Dough.... ...there was a small article deep in the LaDaSun today that stated that the City Council has approved to spend $50K to fix the stage....

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TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 2,988 Thanks: 695 Thanked 2,195 Times in 930 Posts	On a central Artery project in Boston that I was involved in change orders were huge. My company was a sub-contractor to the contractor who won the bid. The contractor had four full time people working on change orders and looking for items involved in the project that were different than specified in the original RFP. They recovered a very substantial amount of money.