Seaplane Base and runway 19 Mile Bay Proposed

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by BrunoSR

Just a question, did Lakes Region Sea Plane Tours use public or private docks to pick up and drop off their customers?

Private, as far as I know. I have no dog in the fight, and have no interest in the dock usage at 19 mile. My interest is in the (bogus) argument that 19 mile bay is too busy for seaplane ops.

[marinewife]

There was constant noise almost every half hour recently at dinner time from a seaplane taking off/landing this past week in the Mirror Lake community- if that's what will happen at 19 Mile Bay, people will be mighty upset.

If people wanted to live near an airport, it probably wouldn't bother them- otherwise, I imagine there will be some pushback.

To my recollection, the original premise from the owner was to build his business up because of Covid concerns in case his main job dissolved. We haven't heard whether his original concerns have vanished, but I have seen a common thread/response by him to anyone who opposes his plans.

If the Forum Admin was able to research the sign-in names of several that are 'pro-Epic', it appears that the same person is behind them.

I believe that Tuftonboro residents are willing to go to bat against the proposal.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by marinewife

There was constant noise almost every half hour recently at dinner time from a seaplane taking off/landing this past week in the Mirror Lake community- if that's what will happen at 19 Mile Bay, people will be mighty upset.

If people wanted to live near an airport, it probably wouldn't bother them- otherwise, I imagine there will be some pushback.

To my recollection, the original premise from the owner was to build his business up because of Covid concerns in case his main job dissolved. We haven't heard whether his original concerns have vanished, but I have seen a common thread/response by him to anyone who opposes his plans.

If the Forum Admin was able to research the sign-in names of several that are 'pro-Epic', it appears that the same person is behind them.

I believe that Tuftonboro residents are willing to go to bat against the proposal.

I can't speak for any others that are "pro-Epic", but I can tell you for sure, that I have one sign-in name only. I don't know Epic, but what gets me upset is the NIMBY crowd trying to stop appropriate use of State waters. I don't care about the dock issue - that's Epic's problem. As far as the noise is concerned, where's the outrage over all the wake boats blasting hideous music at all hours of the day?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I can't speak for any others that are "pro-Epic", but I can tell you for sure, that I have one sign-in name only. I don't know Epic, but what gets me upset is the NIMBY crowd trying to stop appropriate use of State waters. I don't care about the dock issue - that's Epic's problem. As far as the noise is concerned, where's the outrage over all the wake boats blasting hideous music at all hours of the day?

Although a number of people have expressed concern about traffic and safety, nobody has said he shouldn't be able to use the lake.

There have been dozens of posters on other threads complaining about wake boats' wakes and noise. I'm surprised you don't remember.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Although a number of people have expressed concern about traffic and safety, nobody has said he shouldn't be able to use the lake.

There have been dozens of posters on other threads complaining about wake boats' wakes and noise. I'm surprised you don't remember.

Come on, FS. All the ranting and raving on this about boat traffic, dangerous conditions, noise etc., is specific to the seaplane operations in 19 Mile Bay. The efforts are to prohibit him from operating in that area, which is public access owned by the State. Therefore, they don't want him to use the lake in this specific area.

Regarding wake boats, noise, wakes etc.: OK, there have been numerous threads on here about it, but that's where it ends. No organized efforts to combat loud music and rid 19 Mile Bay of these boats and their associated noise.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Come on, FS. All the ranting and raving on this about boat traffic, dangerous conditions, noise etc., is specific to the seaplane operations in 19 Mile Bay. The efforts are to prohibit him from operating in that area, which is public access owned by the State. Therefore, they don't want him to use the lake in this specific area.

Regarding wake boats, noise, wakes etc.: OK, there have been numerous threads on here about it, but that's where it ends. No organized efforts to combat loud music and rid 19 Mile Bay of these boats and their associated noise.

Yes, there are a number of people in 19 Mile Bay who do not want planes up and down hourly in their back yards. I don't find that unreasonable or infringing on normal plane use of the lake. Just as I don't find it unreasonable to object to circling wake boats.

There has been organized opposition to wake boats. It was beaten back, as these things often are, by industry lobbying that stacked the deck against real action. You might Google NH wake boat commission or something like that. Look at the composition of the committee. Try not to laugh/cry at the idea of that particular group of people representing the general public's view on wake boats.

[Sundancer320]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I can't speak for any others that are "pro-Epic", but I can tell you for sure, that I have one sign-in name only. I don't know Epic, but what gets me upset is the NIMBY crowd trying to stop appropriate use of State waters. I don't care about the dock issue - that's Epic's problem. As far as the noise is concerned, where's the outrage over all the wake boats blasting hideous music at all hours of the day?

Nobody here has any issue with his access to state waters....seaplanes have been here many years. The issue is using a public dock to operate a commercial business from and the liability exposure the town and its taxpayers have from accidents, incidents or injuries. If he wants to use his own dock or the store owner wants to use hers...they can..

[SAB1]

Additionally, a dock with limited boat access as it stands at present.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

Nobody here has any issue with his access to state waters....seaplanes have been here many years. The issue is using a public dock to operate a commercial business from and the liability exposure the town and its taxpayers have from accidents, incidents or injuries. If he wants to use his own dock or the store owner wants to use hers...they can..

Post #385: Your post said "Standing at our dock on Chase we recorded 84 decibel peak and constant 80 decibels during the takeoff run."

If your only issue is "using a public dock to operate a commercial business....", then what does a decibel reading have to do with Epic using the Tuftonboro Town Dock?

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Post #385: Your post said "Standing at our dock on Chase we recorded 84 decibel peak and constant 80 decibels during the takeoff run."

If your only issue is "using a public dock to operate a commercial business....", then what does a decibel reading have to do with Epic using the Tuftonboro Town Dock?

Could it have been simply for informational purposes for those interested in how loud it was?

[Sundancer320]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Post #385: Your post said "Standing at our dock on Chase we recorded 84 decibel peak and constant 80 decibels during the takeoff run."

If your only issue is "using a public dock to operate a commercial business....", then what does a decibel reading have to do with Epic using the Tuftonboro Town Dock?

So what Sherlock.... it’s also noisy.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

So what Sherlock.... it’s also noisy.

So there is another agenda. And by the way, pound sand on the Sherlock name calling.

[Closetzguy]

if you have taken a party up for a ride and the public dock fills with boats having lunch, buying ice cream, launching boats, etc.......what do you do when you land and you have another party waiting to go up?

Do you just idle around the no wake buoy until something opens up? That seems dangerous if that prop is spinning around. Not to mention loud and creating lots of exhaust. If you choose to float around further out in the bay, you will be certain to get passed over by other boats sneaking into the dock in front of you.

If and when a spot does open up.....it maybe something inbound and difficult for you to get into safely.

You could literally get stuck out there for quite a while. I have gone there many times on the weekend and not been able to dock......and waited 30 plus minutes or just turned around and left. That's with an easily maneuverable boat, not a plane.

Thoughts?

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Closetzguy

if you have taken a party up for a ride and the public dock fills with boats having lunch, buying ice cream, launching boats, etc.......what do you do when you land and you have another party waiting to go up?

Do you just idle around the no wake buoy until something opens up? That seems dangerous if that prop is spinning around. Not to mention loud and creating lots of exhaust. If you choose to float around further out in the bay, you will be certain to get passed over by other boats sneaking into the dock in front of you.

If and when a spot does open up.....it maybe something inbound and difficult for you to get into safely.

You could literally get stuck out there for quite a while. I have gone there many times on the weekend and not been able to dock......and waited 30 plus minutes or just turned around and left. That's with an easily maneuverable boat, not a plane.

Thoughts?

I asked all these questions much earlier in the thread and never received an answer.

I believe that is because the only answer is holding space.

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[knowit]

The only smoke screen here is being put out by Epic himself. He says he does not plan to”run his business here”, but in reality he really can not tell us how frequently he will be using the dock because he has no idea how much business he will get. If he say anything else he is simple lying. He has no idea but if we allow him to use the public dock for “occasional “ use then the precedent is set and there is nothing stopping him from using it more and more. This is the real danger here and this is what everyone should be concerned with. Plain and simple, if you want to operate a business here do it from the store’s private dock. Otherwise you are not welcome here and I for one will do whatever it takes to block it.

[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by knowit

The only smoke screen here is being put out by Epic himself. He says he does not plan to”run his business here”, but in reality he really can not tell us how frequently he will be using the dock because he has no idea how much business he will get. If he say anything else he is simple lying. He has no idea but if we allow him to use the public dock for “occasional “ use then the precedent is set and there is nothing stopping him from using it more and more. This is the real danger here and this is what everyone should be concerned with. Plain and simple, if you want to operate a business here do it from the store’s private dock. Otherwise you are not welcome here and I for one will do whatever it takes to block it.

I actually stopped @ Pier 19 to examine their "new" dock the other day. It does look very nice, and appeared to be freshly rebuilt for the purpose of selling their boat gasoline retail business. Because their actual dock is located directly next to land (on two sides) then I would say it is impossible for a plane to ever tie up there. It's hard enough to get a 30' boat safely in and out of there, so I would say a small aircraft would not have a safe place to maneuver in and out of there.

This boat gasoline business is a bit different @ Pier 19 as it is not located at the outer end of a typical dock, rather it is located at the inner land side end of a separate, privately owned condominium space dock (with a locked access gate). In fact, some boaters unfamiliar with the area may not even know that gasoline is even available for purchase there due to lack of visibility approaching from 19 Mile Bay.

With that said, the only option is the Town owned dock and that dock would need some minor alteration in order to accommodate an aircraft...... and it doesn't appear that the Town is too anxious to allow that. Therefore I believe it is highly unlikely for any of this to actually happen.

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by knowit

The only smoke screen here is being put out by Epic himself. He says he does not plan to”run his business here”, but in reality he really can not tell us how frequently he will be using the dock because he has no idea how much business he will get. If he say anything else he is simple lying. He has no idea but if we allow him to use the public dock for “occasional “ use then the precedent is set and there is nothing stopping him from using it more and more. This is the real danger here and this is what everyone should be concerned with. Plain and simple, if you want to operate a business here do it from the store’s private dock. Otherwise you are not welcome here and I for one will do whatever it takes to block it.

The store does not have a “private dock” that can accommodate a seaplane. It’s only dock is the gas dock


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[knowit]

Well isn’t that a shame?
So how then does it become the town’s issue simply because she doesn’t have the infrastructure?

Plain and simply, it doesn’t.
No commercial planes at the town dock.
When this goes to the town vote this will be dead.
Unfortunately we need to listen to Epic’s rants until then.

[marinewife]

Been hearing a lot of seaplane trips for the past month and wondered if there was a new ad somewhere-

Today, at the Pier 19 store, there's an ad on the window- it has Epic's plane photos, a phone number, email, and how to book online.

Maybe all he needed was advertising there and he doesn't need the dock anymore...

[Wentworth06]

Question,
I see on the website that the seaplane or in reality Float Plane is based on mirror lake. I’m curious as to what the residents think of having this based there. I see them and others come into our area a lot now and like seeing them but rolling up next to us and departing close by I may think differently.

[Tyler]

Epic will tell ya everyone on Mirror Lake loves him and has no issues with him taking off multiple times a day. Talk to many of his neighbors and you will get a completely different story. A few vocal people who support him will say on social media all is fine however many Mirror Lake residents are fed up but do not want to publicly state their displeasure and are voicing their concerns behind the scenes.

[C-Bass]

How is this any different than the Mount Washington, Winnipesaukee Belle, Millie B, Lake Life, and who knows who else use the Wolfeboro town docks to generate revenue. As far as I know those are public docks owned by the town to generate revenue for a private business. I'm sure they might pay for that right to use the docks but, I don't see anyone getting all worked up over it. What's the difference?

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by C-Bass

How is this any different than the Mount Washington, Winnipesaukee Belle, Millie B, Lake Life, and who knows who else use the Wolfeboro town docks to generate revenue. As far as I know those are public docks owned by the town to generate revenue for a private business. I'm sure they might pay for that right to use the docks but, I don't see anyone getting all worked up over it. What's the difference?

Those docks are either private or specifically designed for use by those businesses, not the public. As such, they do not tie up publicly designated areas.

There are comments above about the Pier 19 store/Epic creating new docks for their businesses, which I think is a fine idea.

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[BrunoSR]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Private, as far as I know. I have no dog in the fight, and have no interest in the dock usage at 19 mile. My interest is in the (bogus) argument that 19 mile bay is too busy for seaplane ops.

I have no dog in the fight either. I rent a dock on the other side of the lake, though we do drop a hook in both 19 and 20 mile bays for lunch.

I don't believe the people that are against it, think there isn't enough space for both boat and plane out on the water. It's at the dock that is an issue. Of course I could be totally wrong.

Maybe he should buy or rent a slip and run a launch between dock and boat.... just an idea.