Paddle boarder struck by pontoon boat

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by ITD

Yeah, I'm not going to get through to you, that is unfortunate.

100% agreed, and no apology.

Best of luck to you and your expectations for others and the world around you.

Hope you never find yourself in a situation that doesnt work as you expect, it will be quite disappointing.

ATB

[ITD]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

100% agreed, and no apology.

Best of luck to you and your expectations for others and the world around you.

Hope you never find yourself in a situation that doesnt work as you expect, it will be quite disappointing.

ATB

Trust me, from what you write, I know I am 100 times more equipped to deal with situations that don't "work as you expect" and am confident I will not be disappointed. Are you?

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by ITD

Trust me, from what you write, I know I am 100 times more equipped to deal with situations that don't "work as you expect" and am confident I will not be disappointed. Are you?

ABSOLUTELY NOT. No chance, no way, NOT.

The world is always throwing things at me I did not expect, have never seen, have not reference about how to deal with. I adapt and adjust based on what I have learned and experienced and do my best of my abilities, and that is my expectation for myself and others.

I have no expectation things will work for me OR you as expected, so I exercise as much reasonable caution as I think needed.

Generally I hope not to meet people who are confident things will never go wrong or they will not "disappoint", or who do not have a healthy of fear and caution. Because when they do finally face that situation where things do go wrong, they are usually ill equipped to address those situations.

Where there are humans, there WILL be human error.

How you deal with that error is just as important as the error.

Arrogance and unyielding confidence in ones self does nothing to prevent accidents and usually makes for a poor response plan when something goes wrong. If it works for you so be it.

[JEEPONLY]

"You clinking, clattering collection of caliginous junk!

[ITD]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

ABSOLUTELY NOT. No chance, no way, NOT.

The world is always throwing things at me I did not expect, have never seen, have not reference about how to deal with. I adapt and adjust based on what I have learned and experienced and do my best of my abilities, and that is my expectation for myself and others.

I have no expectation things will work for me OR you as expected, so I exercise as much reasonable caution as I think needed.

Generally I hope not to meet people who are confident things will never go wrong or they will not "disappoint", or who do not have a healthy of fear and caution. Because when they do finally face that situation where things do go wrong, they are usually ill equipped to address those situations.

Where there are humans, there WILL be human error.

How you deal with that error is just as important as the error.

Arrogance and unyielding confidence in ones self does nothing to prevent accidents and usually makes for a poor response plan when something goes wrong. If it works for you so be it.

Holy cow, how about not setting yourself up for the error in the first place?

Lol, how you can so mistake my words and comments is telling, have a good one.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but does anyone else here notice great quantities of testosterone zinging across this thread?

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Correct me if I’m wrong, but does anyone else here notice great quantities of testosterone zinging across this thread?

No doubt you are correct says one of the offenders ;-)

No sense being dishonest about it, it wont make it any better,,,

[LikeLakes]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Correct me if I’m wrong, but does anyone else here notice great quantities of testosterone zinging across this thread?

Sue, I see only one way to settle this. A good old fashioned wild west duel. Here's how it will work. At high noon ITD and XCR show up at the Meredith docks in their boat of choice. Ten forum members are on the dock with 1 to 10 flash cards to flash their scores. Each boater shows their skill at holding a spot, docking, leaving the dock, and obstacle avoidance. I'll be on my paddle board and when they least expect it I'll dart out from behind the dock into their path. Winning score wins the thread argument.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by LikeLakes

Sue, I see only one way to settle this. A good old fashioned wild west duel. Here's how it will work. At high noon ITD and XCR show up at the Meredith docks in their boat of choice. Ten forum members are on the dock with 1 to 10 flash cards to flash their scores. Each boater shows their skill at holding a spot, docking, leaving the dock, and obstacle avoidance. I'll be on my paddle board and when they least expect it I'll dart out from behind the dock into their path. Winning score wins the thread argument.

Please,,, And in reality thats counter to my point that such skills do not exist in the common boater.

If you are serious then lets get serious,,,

I propose Spitballs at 10 paces using the big plastic straws from Sawyers (non-biodegradable)

The first to grimace is the loser!

The loser must then stand at the end of a Meredith dock holding a sign with the opponents position for 15 minutes at high noon without a hat or sunglasses and no one can bring him water for the entire time!

The signs would read: Safe for Paddle Boarders OR Paddle Boarders Please Stay Back 20 feet

The battle would continue until someone loses, or either or both run out of spit.

In the event of a draw, the parties will paddle board blindfolded in front of the Meredith docks at their choice of zero feet or 20' distance until someone has an unsafe encounter with a boat, at which time a victor will be declared, or until such time as either party concedes the other is right; no buffer needed, or some buffer is safer.

Admission can be charged for spectators and donations accepted to fund an injured paddle boarder recovery trust.

All in favor of this plan can signify by clicking thanks for this singular post.

And with this I think we have said more than enough (I hope)

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

And with this I think we have said more than enough (I hope)

Or maybe we could ask FLL to jump in and help us out by inserting noodles into the duel,,,

[ITD]

Originally Posted by LikeLakes

Sue, I see only one way to settle this. A good old fashioned wild west duel. Here's how it will work. At high noon ITD and XCR show up at the Meredith docks in their boat of choice. Ten forum members are on the dock with 1 to 10 flash cards to flash their scores. Each boater shows their skill at holding a spot, docking, leaving the dock, and obstacle avoidance. I'll be on my paddle board and when they least expect it I'll dart out from behind the dock into their path. Winning score wins the thread argument.

I wouldn't hit ya!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Correct me if I’m wrong, but does anyone else here notice great quantities of testosterone zinging across this thread?

...and nobody's mentioned "maintaining a proper watch".

...yet...

[fatlazyless]

..... paddleboarder ...... what paddleboarder ..... I didn't see NO paddleboarder ..... where is this paddleboarder and what the heck happened here! ...... ..... me-thinks I need another drink ..... and need to hit the throttle and get out of here ....... fast!

[ApS]

At least, with a paddleboard, there is only one likely to suffer injury.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by ApS

At least, with a paddleboard, there is only one likely to suffer injury.

Plus the dog or the little kid who rides along as a passenger...OK going past my place, but not smart next to public docks where this thread stared.

[Phantom]

Well -- your going to love this one.

Last Saturday afternoon as we were leaving Meredith, when we got about halfway out of the NWZ I noticed something "bobbing" about 100 yards beyond the buoy. Couldn't quite discern what it could be until closer to the NWZ Buoy and figured out it was two young guys laying flat on their paddle boards and just swimming !!

Incoming boats to Meredith, especially larger cruisers would clearly be coming off plane at that range (with bow up) and never see these two. I could not just pass by without having words with the boys about the danger they were putting themselves in as well as others (done in a very polite tone - my wife is my witness) -- naturally I received some language back yet it appeared that 5 min after my departure, they must have grasped the situation and began heading back inside the NWZ--- of course the (2) 35 foot cruisers inbound may have helped too


and YES - these were Rental boards!

[tis]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Well -- your going to love this one.

Last Saturday afternoon as we were leaving Meredith, when we got about halfway out of the NWZ I noticed something "bobbing" about 100 yards beyond the buoy. Couldn't quite discern what it could be until closer to the NWZ Buoy and figured out it was two young guys laying flat on their paddle boards and just swimming !!

Incoming boats to Meredith, especially larger cruisers would clearly be coming off plane at that range (with bow up) and never see these two. I could not just pass by without having words with the boys about the danger they were putting themselves in as well as others (done in a very polite tone - my wife is my witness) -- naturally I received some language back yet it appeared that 5 min after my departure, they must have grasped the situation and began heading back inside the NWZ--- of course the (2) 35 foot cruisers inbound may have helped too


and YES - these were Rental boards!

You mean they didn't tell you that you don't own the lake?

[LikeLakes]

Again, I reject the notion that nearly anyone operating a 30 plus foot boat is incapable of seeing a 12 ft. long plank with a person on it.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by LikeLakes

Again, I reject the notion that nearly anyone operating a 30 plus foot boat is incapable of seeing a 12 ft. long plank with a person on it.

See them or not -- laying flat on a paddleboard 100 yards just outside the NWZ & swimming does not make a whole lot of common sense to me. This was not off towards a shoreline by the way - it was dead center in the Bay. We all know that on a Saturday that area is choppy.

and YES, i know - they have every right to be there.

[LikeLakes]

BTW, you mention they were "young guys". What would your guess be on age? If they were 12 or 13 I might have done similar to you, maybe stop by and ask if everything was ok. If 17-18 I think I'd leave them alone.

[Phantom]

early teens !

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Well -- your going to love this one.

Last Saturday afternoon as we were leaving Meredith, when we got about halfway out of the NWZ I noticed something "bobbing" about 100 yards beyond the buoy. Couldn't quite discern what it could be until closer to the NWZ Buoy and figured out it was two young guys laying flat on their paddle boards and just swimming !!

Incoming boats to Meredith, especially larger cruisers would clearly be coming off plane at that range (with bow up) and never see these two. I could not just pass by without having words with the boys about the danger they were putting themselves in as well as others (done in a very polite tone - my wife is my witness) -- naturally I received some language back yet it appeared that 5 min after my departure, they must have grasped the situation and began heading back inside the NWZ--- of course the (2) 35 foot cruisers inbound may have helped too


and YES - these were Rental boards!

This evening we cruised up to Melvin Bay to watch the sunset. There were several boats watching with running lights on. As we decided to leave and cruise back I noticed 4 objects floating not far from us. We cruised over and discovered there were four paddle boards floating. One girl had a puppy on board. Another had two girls on one board. Another had a girl by herself. The other paddle board had a guy probably in his late 20's.. couldn't tell it was getting too dark. They were all out the way out in the middle of Melvin bay and Black island.

We stopped and told them that is very difficult to see them. "You are in a dangerous situation and said any watercraft must having nav lights after dusk." You guys have nothing to show that you out here in the middle of the bay. I suggested I would follow them to a closer area to shore. They said in a few words "don't worry we are ok and that they weren't concerned. And thank you for interest." But no need for your help!

[ITD]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

This evening we cruised up to Melvin Bay to watch the sunset. There were several boats watching with running lights on. As we decided to leave and cruise back I noticed 4 objects floating not far from us. We cruised over and discovered there were four paddle boards floating. One girl had a puppy on board. Another had two girls on one board. Another had a girl by herself. The other paddle board had a guy probably in his late 20's.. couldn't tell it was getting too dark. They were all out the way out in the middle of Melvin bay and Black island.

We stopped and told them that is very difficult to see them. "You are in a dangerous situation and said any watercraft must having nav lights after dusk." You guys have nothing to show that you out here in the middle of the bay. I suggested I would follow them to a closer area to shore. They said in a few words "don't worry we are ok and that they weren't concerned. And thank you for interest." But no need for your help!

You can't fix stupid. There is already a law that they must have a white light and through ignorance or sheer stupidity they ignore it.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by ITD

Holy cow, how about not setting yourself up for the error in the first place?


Lol, how you can so mistake my words and comments is telling, have a good one.

You can keep finding ways to twist the matter all you want, the bottom line there was a crash and an injury!

Fact, many boaters on Winnipesaukee will never meet your standards for an operator.

Fact, we sell 50 MPH power boats to anyone who can pay cash or who has credit but may never have ever set foot in a boat.

Fact, boat registration does not require you to provide a license showing you know anything about boat safety.

Fact, a boat license does not require you to demonstrate you can actually operate a boat safely.

Fact, we rent boats to people who may never have set foot onto a boat, AND worse yet, they no longer even offer them insurance,,,

Fact, we rent paddle boards to people who have no experience with them or around boats/docks.

Fact, when a boat collides with a paddle board, there is likely to be an injury!

If that all is not enough to convince you that asking paddle boards to keep 20' from public boat docks is reasonable, then its ok by me that you disagree, but I remain convinced it would be safer if they were separated by some modest distance.

You can point to all the responsibilities you want and all the capabilities you think boaters should have, but the reality is thats not our world and accidents are a risk when you allow boats and paddle boards in and around public boat docks at the same time.

Is there really anything more to say about this? I'll bet on it.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

You can keep finding ways to twist the matter all you want, the bottom line there was a crash and an injury!

Fact, many boaters on Winnipesaukee will never meet your standards for an operator.

Fact, we sell 50 MPH power boats to anyone who can pay cash or who has credit but may never have ever set foot in a boat.

Fact, boat registration does not require you to provide a license showing you know anything about boat safety.

Fact, a boat license does not require you to demonstrate you can actually operate a boat safely.

Fact, we rent boats to people who may never have set foot onto a boat, AND worse yet, they no longer even offer them insurance,,,

Fact, we rent paddle boards to people who have no experience with them or around boats/docks.

Fact, when a boat collides with a paddle board, there is likely to be an injury!

If that all is not enough to convince you that asking paddle boards to keep 20' from public boat docks is reasonable, then its ok by me that you disagree, but I remain convinced it would be safer if they were separated by some modest distance.

You can point to all the responsibilities you want and all the capabilities you think boaters should have, but the reality is thats not our world and accidents are a risk when you allow boats and paddle boards in and around public boat docks at the same time.

Is there really anything more to say about this? I'll bet on it.

You keep swinging and missing.

You want a rule to separate non powered lake users from powered lake users, but you yourself admit that you are afraid of your boat and have been for 50 years. How about one law that addresses the main issue, boaters who can't be bothered to learn how to control their boat, instead of forcing others out of the way of these boaters who probably shouldn't be there in the first place?

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by ITD

You keep swinging and missing.

You want a rule to separate non powered lake users from powered lake users, but you yourself admit that you are afraid of your boat and have been for 50 years. How about one law that addresses the main issue, boaters who can't be bothered to learn how to control their boat, instead of forcing others out of the way of these boaters who probably shouldn't be there in the first place?

..........

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by ITD

You keep swinging and missing.

You want a rule to separate non powered lake users from powered lake users, but you yourself admit that you are afraid of your boat and have been for 50 years. How about one law that addresses the main issue, boaters who can't be bothered to learn how to control their boat, instead of forcing others out of the way of these boaters who probably shouldn't be there in the first place?

We get those. Every so often more restrictions are placed on motorized users do to these interactions.

I don't think that HHH will ban motorized boating access to the Lakehouse, and doubt that Meredith would ban motorized boating access altogether... but odder things have happened.