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dickiej · 08-14-2021, 05:55 PM

You need a license to do carpentry, wash dogs, or drive a moped….but any horses a** can buy a 34’ Pursuit with twin 454’s and head on out…

John Mercier · 08-14-2021, 06:49 PM

A license for carpentry?

Juiced06GTO · 08-14-2021, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dickiej

You need a license to do carpentry, wash dogs, or drive a moped….but any horses a** can buy a 34’ Pursuit with twin 454’s and head on out…

This a reference to the Pursuit that crashed in Boston Harbor where a girl was killed and no one charged yet.....

VitaBene · 08-15-2021, 06:37 AM

Interestingly, one of our forum members started a thread on The I boat FB page regarding licensing vs the BS certificate. There was a lot of pushback. I advocate for in water testing.

tis · 08-15-2021, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by VitaBene

Interestingly, one of our forum members started a thread on The I boat FB page regarding licensing vs the BS certificate. There was a lot of pushback. I advocate for in water testing.

I have to agree with Winni, Vita. I don't think it would make any difference. I think MOST people know, they just don't care. The lake has gotten wild.

Winnisquamer · 08-15-2021, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Juiced06GTO

This a reference to the Pursuit that crashed in Boston Harbor where a girl was killed and no one charged yet.....

Yea, in MA and for ocean I agree, that comment you’re referring to is just flat out incorrect on our lakes though. In water testing solves nothing, look how many people pass a driver test and still drive like garbage

FlyingScot · 08-15-2021, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Winnisquamer

Yea, in MA and for ocean I agree, that comment you’re referring to is just flat out incorrect on our lakes though. In water testing solves nothing, look how many people pass a driver test and still drive like garbage

"solves nothing"? So are you saying that because some people are terrible drivers then the driving test is a waste? It sounds like you think all drivers must be perfect for testing to prove itself. The goal would be to reduce the number of incompetent drivers/boaters, not bring it to zero.

My sense of the current test is that it forced me to learn certain important safety things, so I'm glad we do it.

winniwannabe · 08-15-2021, 08:29 AM

I agree that in-water tests should be given before getting a boating license.
However, there are lots of people who have taken road tests for driving and
just disregard what they learned once they get the driver's license. I think
most experienced boaters are frustrated with the overall lack of respect
shown to other boaters. Alot of these boaters shouldn't be driving a boat!
It amazes me that you can rent a boat under 25hp without a license! I know
that's not a speed boat, but if you don't know what you're doing, don't risk the lives of your party or others. Having been vacationing here for eons, and at least 13 years at Winnisquam...no comparison. Winnisquam is almost
hazard free. So here's to smarter and safer boating!! Enjoy the last 2 weeks of August! Weather seems to be co-operating.

Juiced06GTO · 08-15-2021, 08:59 AM

The resources needed to do an in water test for everyone who needs to get a boating license would be astronomic. If people were humble and cared about learning a new skill, they could either teach themselves or ask experienced boaters to teach them. A lot of people just don't care, so instead you get people like the guy I saw unload at Shibley's yesterday and proceed to blast past the in water boat show at 2krpms bow pointed at the sky, while 100k's of thousands of dollars worth of antique boats rocked in their docks while people screamed at him from shore.......

winniwannabe · 08-15-2021, 09:15 AM

I respectfully disagree. The money gleaned from having in water boating tests
might discourage the weekend warriors and scofflaws from just renting a boat and having not a care in the world on the water. I realize my MA driver's license allows me to drive pretty much where there's a road, so a boating license
issued in another state would be of no use to those who boat up here, but for
the folks who just want a party weekend on NH lakes...they should be sub-
jected to some kind of competency test. I still say it's an ignorance thing, and I'm sorry you had to witness it at its' worst.

John Mercier · 08-15-2021, 09:23 AM

Are you sure they didn't do it to make a ''statement''?
It seems that everything that we are helping build on the lake now is about making a ''statement''. It is their money, so I try and comply... but when they ask what I think... I am honest.

It may be that the boater realizes that the woodies are owned by people that are higher up the pecking order.

winniwannabe · 08-15-2021, 09:54 AM

Well said. They have no comprehension of boating laws and protocol. Time to
call a spade a spade and get MP involved instead of like down here in MA where State Police are invisible when they are needed most.

Woody38 · 08-15-2021, 10:00 AM

I don't really believe that people who own woodies think of themselves as higher on the pecking order. They are interested in enjoying something they love.
Like when many years ago someone said I must be rich since I drive a Mercedes. My reply was that I don't smoke and don't drink, therefore I drive what I enjoy.
_________________________________

I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic

LikeLakes · 08-15-2021, 11:09 AM

Going back to the original post, maneuvering a pontoon in some wind to anchor between a few boats takes some skill and experience. The shame of situations like Bumpye described is someone who is new at it can practice somewhere wide open, and not get "on-the-spot" experience at a crowded sandbar with other people's health and possessions in harm's way. Finally, I always offer to help when someone is anchoring next to me, and I'm guessing most others do as well. Lots of help and a slow cautious approach can make situations like that turn out fine.

Frustrating and dangerous. That's why I generally avoid Winni on weekends.

John Mercier · 08-15-2021, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Woody38

I don't really believe that people who own woodies think of themselves as higher on the pecking order. They are interested in enjoying something they love.
Like when many years ago someone said I must be rich since I drive a Mercedes. My reply was that I don't smoke and don't drink, therefore I drive what I enjoy.
_________________________________

I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic

It isn't what they think they are... it is what others think they are.
Wooden boats imply antiquity... more of a connoisseur than a commodity item. Less to do with wealth and more to do with passion.

We don't see people with Mercedes as rich... we see them as tourists. The reason is simple... anyone that can afford a Mercedes can purchase one - unless it was an antique - but since no Mercedes dealerships exist in the area - most newer models are driven by residents south of us coming to the area.
An antique Mercedes would show that passion.

SAB1 · 08-15-2021, 08:12 PM

I agree with Vita. Same could be said for trailering ……. Absolutely astounding seeing some of the baffoons dragging a 22ft behind an Audi or Subaru and then the issue of trying to back a boat down a ramp…..

Biggd · 08-15-2021, 08:30 PM

Just one more reason to avoid crowded urine filled sand bars.

John Mercier · 08-15-2021, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SAB1

I agree with Vita. Same could be said for trailering ……. Absolutely astounding seeing some of the baffoons dragging a 22ft behind an Audi or Subaru and then the issue of trying to back a boat down a ramp…..

It may be that they have just gotten into it like so many others and have yet to decide if it is right for them.

Shreddy · 08-17-2021, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

Are you sure they didn't do it to make a ''statement''?
It seems that everything that we are helping build on the lake now is about making a ''statement''. It is their money, so I try and comply... but when they ask what I think... I am honest.

It may be that the boater realizes that the woodies are owned by people that are higher up the pecking order.

Are you serious? I'm in my 30s and just restored a gorgeous 1948 Chris Craft Deluxe. I put months of blood, sweat, and tears into that boat and it's finally almost ready and yet you think I'm higher up the pecking order? I've seen your posts, you bring very limited value to this forum.

salty dog · 08-17-2021, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Shreddy

Are you serious? I'm in my 30s and just restored a gorgeous 1948 Chris Craft Deluxe. I put months of blood, sweat, and tears into that boat and it's finally almost ready and yet you think I'm higher up the pecking order? I've seen your posts, you bring very limited value to this forum.

Incredible amount of work on that type of restoration. I grew up sailing and working on my dad's 1905 gaff-rigged yawl. My God, the brightwork. Holy crap! But it was a thing of beauty. What will you call her? I definitely hope I see it on the lake...

Shreddy · 08-17-2021, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by salty dog

Incredible amount of work on that type of restoration. I grew up sailing and working on my dad's 1905 gaff-rigged yawl. My God, the brightwork. Holy crap! But it was a thing of beauty. What will you call her? I definitely hope I see it on the lake...

Name after my grandmother

This was before getting put on the trailer and off to get her power plant back in. The level of finish work that goes in from sanding and fairing, to taping, staining, sealing, varnishing, sanding, varnishing, etc. is amazing. Over 20 coats of varnish, just waiting for the engine to be mounted and the upholstery (original) to arrive before putting it all back together! Very excited to get it on the water soon, although maybe I should just keep it in my garage since I don't want people to think I'm higher up the pecking order now that I own one.

FlyingScot · 08-17-2021, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Shreddy

Name after my grandmother

This was before getting put on the trailer and off to get her power plant back in. The level of finish work that goes in from sanding and fairing, to taping, staining, sealing, varnishing, sanding, varnishing, etc. is amazing. Over 20 coats of varnish, just waiting for the engine to be mounted and the upholstery (original) to arrive before putting it all back together! Very excited to get it on the water soon, although maybe I should just keep it in my garage since I don't want people to think I'm higher up the pecking order now that I own one.

GORGEOUS! Please send more pics

Full disclosure: I'm not worthy! I thought about buying a sailboat with a fiberglass hull but lots of other woodwork. The price wasn't so bad, but when the seller described the annual maintenance (just maintenance, no restoration), I fell off my chair and went all fiberglass. So my hat is off!

John Mercier · 08-17-2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Shreddy

Are you serious? I'm in my 30s and just restored a gorgeous 1948 Chris Craft Deluxe. I put months of blood, sweat, and tears into that boat and it's finally almost ready and yet you think I'm higher up the pecking order? I've seen your posts, you bring very limited value to this forum.

Yes. Wood boat enthusiasts are higher up the pecking order because of the time they donate to passion.
Anyone can purchase a boat, but a wooden boat requires a real commitment.
So wooden boat owners are higher up the pecking order.

It has nothing to do with age or money... it has to do with passion.

Shreddy · 08-17-2021, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

Yes. Wood boat enthusiasts are higher up the pecking order because of the time they donate to passion.
Anyone can purchase a boat, but a wooden boat requires a real commitment.
So wooden boat owners are higher up the pecking order.

It has nothing to do with age or money... it has to do with passion.

I have a passion for wooden boats, that doesn't make me any better or worse than anyone else (nor higher up whatever pecking order you're referring to). Please stop always try to compare people to wealth or some hierarchy of entitled, you're making yourself look worse every time. Life's much better enjoyed rather than comparing who's better than who.

John Mercier · 08-17-2021, 11:16 AM

Not better or worse.
Higher up a pecking order.

This isn't wealth.

For instance, a fiberglass door cost more than a wood door... but those choosing a wood door understand (hopefully) the higher level of commitment that you must have. The wood door will require refinishing and a higher level of maintenance over time.

The time one spends toward an endeavor and the skill/knowledge acquired in what separates the groups.

08-15-2021, 06:37 AM	#4
VitaBene Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 3,615 Thanks: 1,673 Thanked 1,650 Times in 853 Posts	License Interestingly, one of our forum members started a thread on The I boat FB page regarding licensing vs the BS certificate. There was a lot of pushback. I advocate for in water testing.

08-14-2021, 05:55 PM	#1
dickiej Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: White Salmon, WA Posts: 301 Thanks: 21 Thanked 171 Times in 93 Posts	You need a license to do carpentry, wash dogs, or drive a moped….but any horses a** can buy a 34’ Pursuit with twin 454’s and head on out…

08-14-2021, 06:49 PM	#2
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,567 Thanks: 3 Thanked 637 Times in 524 Posts	A license for carpentry?

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08-15-2021, 08:29 AM	#8
winniwannabe Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: MA Posts: 139 Thanks: 113 Thanked 45 Times in 31 Posts	I agree that in-water tests should be given before getting a boating license. However, there are lots of people who have taken road tests for driving and just disregard what they learned once they get the driver's license. I think most experienced boaters are frustrated with the overall lack of respect shown to other boaters. Alot of these boaters shouldn't be driving a boat! It amazes me that you can rent a boat under 25hp without a license! I know that's not a speed boat, but if you don't know what you're doing, don't risk the lives of your party or others. Having been vacationing here for eons, and at least 13 years at Winnisquam...no comparison. Winnisquam is almost hazard free. So here's to smarter and safer boating!! Enjoy the last 2 weeks of August! Weather seems to be co-operating.

08-15-2021, 08:59 AM	#9
Juiced06GTO Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 222 Thanks: 9 Thanked 88 Times in 51 Posts	The resources needed to do an in water test for everyone who needs to get a boating license would be astronomic. If people were humble and cared about learning a new skill, they could either teach themselves or ask experienced boaters to teach them. A lot of people just don't care, so instead you get people like the guy I saw unload at Shibley's yesterday and proceed to blast past the in water boat show at 2krpms bow pointed at the sky, while 100k's of thousands of dollars worth of antique boats rocked in their docks while people screamed at him from shore.......

08-15-2021, 09:15 AM	#10
winniwannabe Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: MA Posts: 139 Thanks: 113 Thanked 45 Times in 31 Posts	I respectfully disagree. The money gleaned from having in water boating tests might discourage the weekend warriors and scofflaws from just renting a boat and having not a care in the world on the water. I realize my MA driver's license allows me to drive pretty much where there's a road, so a boating license issued in another state would be of no use to those who boat up here, but for the folks who just want a party weekend on NH lakes...they should be sub- jected to some kind of competency test. I still say it's an ignorance thing, and I'm sorry you had to witness it at its' worst.

08-15-2021, 09:23 AM	#11
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,567 Thanks: 3 Thanked 637 Times in 524 Posts	Are you sure they didn't do it to make a ''statement''? It seems that everything that we are helping build on the lake now is about making a ''statement''. It is their money, so I try and comply... but when they ask what I think... I am honest. It may be that the boater realizes that the woodies are owned by people that are higher up the pecking order.

08-15-2021, 09:54 AM	#12
winniwannabe Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: MA Posts: 139 Thanks: 113 Thanked 45 Times in 31 Posts	Well said. They have no comprehension of boating laws and protocol. Time to call a spade a spade and get MP involved instead of like down here in MA where State Police are invisible when they are needed most.

08-15-2021, 10:00 AM	#13
Woody38 Senior Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 583 Thanks: 46 Thanked 110 Times in 81 Posts	I don't really believe that people who own woodies think of themselves as higher on the pecking order. They are interested in enjoying something they love. Like when many years ago someone said I must be rich since I drive a Mercedes. My reply was that I don't smoke and don't drink, therefore I drive what I enjoy. _________________________________ I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic

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08-15-2021, 11:09 AM	#14
LikeLakes Senior Member Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 339 Thanks: 50 Thanked 92 Times in 66 Posts	Going back to the original post, maneuvering a pontoon in some wind to anchor between a few boats takes some skill and experience. The shame of situations like Bumpye described is someone who is new at it can practice somewhere wide open, and not get "on-the-spot" experience at a crowded sandbar with other people's health and possessions in harm's way. Finally, I always offer to help when someone is anchoring next to me, and I'm guessing most others do as well. Lots of help and a slow cautious approach can make situations like that turn out fine. Frustrating and dangerous. That's why I generally avoid Winni on weekends.

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SAB1 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Tuftonboro Posts: 1,254 Thanks: 193 Thanked 335 Times in 243 Posts	I agree with Vita. Same could be said for trailering ……. Absolutely astounding seeing some of the baffoons dragging a 22ft behind an Audi or Subaru and then the issue of trying to back a boat down a ramp…..

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08-17-2021, 11:16 AM	#25
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,567 Thanks: 3 Thanked 637 Times in 524 Posts	Not better or worse. Higher up a pecking order. This isn't wealth. For instance, a fiberglass door cost more than a wood door... but those choosing a wood door understand (hopefully) the higher level of commitment that you must have. The wood door will require refinishing and a higher level of maintenance over time. The time one spends toward an endeavor and the skill/knowledge acquired in what separates the groups.