Think and Drink NH 1st

[chachee52]

Originally Posted by baygo

I have been to the Berkshire distillery. It’s real awesome there. They have a great botanical garden for their gin, which is award-winning. That is a Massachusetts though. Tamworth distillery makes a gin worthy of consumption. IMHO

For the bourbon lovers, Another New Hampshire bourbon to check out is Flag Hill, distilled in Lee New Hampshire.

We do have some of Tamworth Gin in the house. I can't stand gin, but my wife likes it in the summer.
Flag Hill is on my list!! Thanks for the suggestion

[baygo]

Sununu just ordered all liquor stores to remove all Russian vodka from their shelves. Would you all please help by calling the Lakes region stores and asking them to replace it with Dancing Rabbit. State inventory number 6825

Gilford 603.524.6083
Meredith 603.279.0718
Tilton 603.528.2170
Center Harbor 603.253.3169
Alton 603.875.5010
New Hampton 603.744.2100

This action will help the restaurants get it.

Thank you

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by baygo

Sununu just ordered all liquor stores to remove all Russian vodka from their shelves. Would you all please help by calling the Lakes region stores and asking them to replace it with Dancing Rabbit. State inventory number 6825

Gilford 603.524.6083
Meredith 603.279.0718
Tilton 603.528.2170
Center Harbor 603.253.3169
Alton 603.875.5010
New Hampton 603.744.2100

This action will help the restaurants get it.

Thank you

Well done


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by baygo

Sununu just ordered all liquor stores to remove all Russian vodka from their shelves. Would you all please help by calling the Lakes region stores and asking them to replace it with Dancing Rabbit. State inventory number 6825

Gilford 603.524.6083
Meredith 603.279.0718
Tilton 603.528.2170
Center Harbor 603.253.3169
Alton 603.875.5010
New Hampton 603.744.2100

This action will help the restaurants get it.

Thank you

And this does what exactly? The stuff is already here meaning it is already bought and paid for if the intent is to "hurt" the source.

Pulling it off the shelves only hurts the state which is going to sit on inventory it owns and now won't sell.

Maybe if we did something meaningful like stop importing oil from them and got back to producing our own that would make a bigger impact.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

And this does what exactly? The stuff is already here meaning it is already bought and paid for if the intent is to "hurt" the source.

Pulling it off the shelves only hurts the state which is going to sit on inventory it owns and now won't sell.

Maybe if we did something meaningful like stop importing oil from them and got back to producing our own that would make a bigger impact.

The state has a tremendous amount of leverage with its suppliers. It’s very likely the inventory can be returned to the source.

Absolutely agree that closing the Keystone pipeline was a huge mistake and needs to be reopened so we can stop purchasing 500k barrels of oil a day from Russia


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by joey2665

The state has a tremendous amount of leverage with its suppliers. It’s very likely the inventory can be returned to the source.

Absolutely agree that closing the Keystone pipeline was a huge mistake and needs to be reopened so we can stop purchasing 500k barrels of oil a day from Russia


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app

From the Union Leader on Saturday Feb 26th:

"But the liquor stores are not planning to dispose of the vodkas, or return the inventory, Powers said. “It will remain in our possession until further notice,” he said."

Dave

[baygo]

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

From the Union Leader on Saturday Feb 26th:

"But the liquor stores are not planning to dispose of the vodkas, or return the inventory, Powers said. “It will remain in our possession until further notice,” he said."

Dave

I’m not familiar with EJ Powers and what his/her position is other than spokesman. There may be a decision made up-stream that changes the statement.

Another factor for consideration is that, as I pointed out earlier, brokers have to pay rent for the space in the warehouse that their product takes up. If their product cannot be sold through the store they may not see logic behind paying rent and they may pull their product themselves.

New Hampshire is not the only state to initiate such actions against Russian vodka. Many states seem to be following suit and beyond that there appears to be a global movement right now.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by joey2665

The state has a tremendous amount of leverage with its suppliers. It’s very likely the inventory can be returned to the source.

Absolutely agree that closing the Keystone pipeline was a huge mistake and needs to be reopened so we can stop purchasing 500k barrels of oil a day from Russia


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app

Purchases from Russia are not about the Keystone XL.

In fact, they had the option of reversing a pipeline... that is currently sitting nearly empty and only has enough to keep it ''wet'' that would transfer the oil to eastern refineries through the Montreal-Portland pipeline. Irving even publicly stated it would build the necessary coker to refine the product if that action was taken.

''Most of the oil that U.S. refiners buy from Russia is not crude oil, but fuel oil they use to produce gasoline in the absence of Venezuelan heavy oil supply to complement the imports of heavy Canadian crude from the oil sands.''

That come from an oil industry analyst.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Purchases from Russia are not about the Keystone XL.

In fact, they had the option of reversing a pipeline... that is currently sitting nearly empty and only has enough to keep it ''wet'' that would transfer the oil to eastern refineries through the Montreal-Portland pipeline. Irving even publicly stated it would build the necessary coker to refine the product if that action was taken.

''Most of the oil that U.S. refiners buy from Russia is not crude oil, but fuel oil they use to produce gasoline in the absence of Venezuelan heavy oil supply to complement the imports of heavy Canadian crude from the oil sands.''

That come from an oil industry analyst.

I respectfully disagree with you assessment. It all starts out as crude at some point yes the oil purchased from Russia has completed one step of refining before its exported but we can use the Keystone crude which can be refined here in the US into fuel oil used for gasoline.


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app

[baygo]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

And this does what exactly? The stuff is already here meaning it is already bought and paid for if the intent is to "hurt" the source.

Pulling it off the shelves only hurts the state which is going to sit on inventory it owns and now won't sell.

Maybe if we did something meaningful like stop importing oil from them and got back to producing our own that would make a bigger impact.

The state does not own any of the alcohol. Brokers rent space within a state owned warehouse. Once the alcohol is sold to a restaurant, the state then pays the broker 30 days later. I don’t know how payment is handled once it’s distributed to the stores. It wouldn’t surprise me if payment is not made until after the store has sold it.

Those affected immediately are the brokers/importers, but a year from now it will affect the producers.

I witnessed the most beneficial gain last night. The conversation around my tavern was robust. There was unity between my liberal guests and conservative guests. Haven’t seen that in a while.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by baygo

The state does not own any of the alcohol. Brokers rent space within a state owned warehouse. Once the alcohol is sold to a restaurant, the state then pays the broker 30 days later. I don’t know how payment is handled once it’s distributed to the stores. It wouldn’t surprise me if payment is not made until after the store has sold it.

Those affected immediately are the brokers/importers, but a year from now it will affect the producers.

I witnessed the most beneficial gain last night. The conversation around my tavern was robust. There was unity between my liberal guests and conservative guests. Haven’t seen that in a while.

Great points--also, as you suggested before, all this stuff sends a message to Putin and his supporters that we will not stand for this. State stores and bars make $ hand over fist on alcohol, they can take a small loss on a few cases or bottles. Plus--if it's a real hardship, the bars can rip the labels off the Stoli and use it when brand is not specified.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by baygo

The state does not own any of the alcohol. Brokers rent space within a state owned warehouse. Once the alcohol is sold to a restaurant, the state then pays the broker 30 days later. I don’t know how payment is handled once it’s distributed to the stores. It wouldn’t surprise me if payment is not made until after the store has sold it.

Those affected immediately are the brokers/importers, but a year from now it will affect the producers.

I witnessed the most beneficial gain last night. The conversation around my tavern was robust. There was unity between my liberal guests and conservative guests. Haven’t seen that in a while.

Can't comment on who owns that inventory in the liquor stores, but to me it seems like a classic virtue signal and nothing more. Think the Russian government cares about vodka producers? About as useful as resolution that "condemns" what's going on. Congratulations but what does that achieve? Mention on the 6:00 news, and Putin chuckling as he keeps pushing on with what he's doing. Not saying I know the right answer either.

Without a doubt if there is consensus amongst both libs and cons regarding this matter, hell may just have frozen over..... but alas it hasn't because I'm sure while both may be in agreement this is not good, neither will agree on any kind of substantive measure in response. Again mentioning us buying oil from Russia when we don't need to now or ever.

Interesting times for sure...

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Can't comment on who owns that inventory in the liquor stores, but to me it seems like a classic virtue signal and nothing more. Think the Russian government cares about vodka producers? About as useful as resolution that "condemns" what's going on. Congratulations but what does that achieve? Mention on the 6:00 news, and Putin chuckling as he keeps pushing on with what he's doing. Not saying I know the right answer either.

Without a doubt if there is consensus amongst both libs and cons regarding this matter, hell may just have frozen over..... but alas it hasn't because I'm sure while both may be in agreement this is not good, neither will agree on any kind of substantive measure in response. Again mentioning us buying oil from Russia when we don't need to now or ever.

Interesting times for sure...

The value is that universal consensus and everybody doing what they can keeps pressure on major governments to do the more substantial things.

Also--maybe you're missing some of the news reports? Putin can't possible be chuckling today, and Republican leaders in Congress have given plenty of support to Biden for the sanctions that have been put in place.

It's too complex a situation to know what will happen, but at least for now, we're doing great at making Putin pay for this. We all need to keep up the pressure in whatever way we can.

[John Mercier]

He was going to take Ukraine for security and economic measures as soon as he didn't have support in the US presidency.

Under President Trump, he knew that Ukraine would never be invited to be a NATO member, and that military aid would be at a premium.

He also knew that sanctions against Maduro for being a ''socialist dictator'' (LOL) would ensure that Russian crude derivatives would flow to the US.

The bigger long term fear for these countries is demand destruction. It is so large that Saudi Arabia is skipping LNG advancements and moving quickly to hydrogen.

A lot of energy investment analyst expect the Kingdom to rely heavily on solar creating hydrogen that can be liquified and easily transported with more investment and development.

Shell Oil is pushing the Blue Hydrogen technology, and expected it to be dominate until 2045... but with SA investment that shift to Green Hydrogen could come much sooner.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

He was going to take Ukraine for security and economic measures as soon as he didn't have support in the US presidency.

Under President Trump, he knew that Ukraine would never be invited to be a NATO member, and that military aid would be at a premium.

He also knew that sanctions against Maduro for being a ''socialist dictator'' (LOL) would ensure that Russian crude derivatives would flow to the US.

The bigger long term fear for these countries is demand destruction. It is so large that Saudi Arabia is skipping LNG advancements and moving quickly to hydrogen.

A lot of energy investment analyst expect the Kingdom to rely heavily on solar creating hydrogen that can be liquified and easily transported with more investment and development.

Shell Oil is pushing the Blue Hydrogen technology, and expected it to be dominate until 2045... but with SA investment that shift to Green Hydrogen could come much sooner.

I agree that green energy is the ultimate way to deal with Putin. I do think these sanctions are going to bite pretty hard--if there's no SWIFT, and the central bank cannot access foreign reserves, it will be like a boa constrictor. Russian financial markets open in just a few hours--we'll see what they think soon...

[Descant]

Look at the success we had with sanctions on Cuba since 1959. Iran since 1980...Despots just don't care.

Let's have a ceremonial display of pouring a bottle of Russian Vodka into Portsmouth Harbor and be done. Or, we dress up as Indians and throw a shipload into the harbor. That stuck in everybody's minds even before we had social media. "That made the tea undrinkable, even for Americans" (George in Mary Poppins.

[John Mercier]

It really has little effect on us, if we want it too.
We could restart Venezuela. It wouldn't be immediate. But it would suffice.

We could implore Trudeau to reverse the Montreal-Portland pipeline... and those refiners are actually nearly sitting idle... much different than refineries whose crude storage tanks are nearly full.

There are many options.
But overheating the economy, might make Americans rethink their lifestyles and priorities. It has been a long time, and we seem to forget.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

And this does what exactly? The stuff is already here meaning it is already bought and paid for if the intent is to "hurt" the source.

Pulling it off the shelves only hurts the state which is going to sit on inventory it owns and now won't sell.

Maybe if we did something meaningful like stop importing oil from them and got back to producing our own that would make a bigger impact.

We are 10 months ahead of production schedule estimates by the EIA, and the current estimate is for US production to be a new record for 2023. The industry executives have stated that it would be 2023, because though we will see higher daily production this summer, it will not offset the earlier months enough to create a record for this year.

Investors that buy futures contracts are very aware of the production, current storage levels, refinery demand, and demand for refined product.